Claymore Chapter 100

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by anselfir

the most likely development would be a transformation in priscilla, so that the fight gets a premature end. the power level gap is too gigantic to be overcome within one fight.

I still stand by my belief it will reach a "draw" or both forces will call it quits, or at least Priscilla. I can't see either of them dying.

I also can't see this lasting for very long, I think this will go for about 5 chapters or so at the most, assuming we don't see scene changes or other characters during that time.

[anselfir]

that would be bad writing

the main tensions here are:

1. claire's response to priscilla

2. priscilla's development

3. the fate of the group


now, let us examine the relative importance and dependence of each

i will do this in an outline fashion because i am lazy and do not want to explain in detail with teh limited time i have in class.


1. claire's response to priscilla
1a priscilla is important as a key character in claire's development.
1ai this is because priscilla killed teresa and the obvious importance of teresa to claire's character. priscilla is the enemy of destiny.
1ai* the enemy of destiny trope can either be straightforwardly carried out to a resolution in stories with simple black and white divisions, claymore is not one of these. the enemy of destiny here will be transformed to a more complex conflict.
1aii the mutation of priscilla as well as her current limbo is important to claire because new details in priscilla's history and nature apply to all claymore warriors. why and for what purpose priscilla underwent her transformation will serve as a jump point to further developments in claire/the larger conflict

1b claire's development should relate to the nature of claymores and their conflict
1bi based on the principle that the obvious conflict must evolve, the pure "big boss" status of priscilla to claire must change to something more complex and relevant to the larger conflict.
1bii via 1aii, new information about priscilla will provide material for the claire-organization axis.




2. priscilla
2a priscilla is in limbo both literally and as a part of the larger story.
2ai unlike other abyssals priscilla does not behave rationally. her psyche is in limbo.
2ai* upon gaining an idea of what she is and what she is doing, priscilla can be given a set of goals and relations. this builds upon her history of complicated relations in need of resolution. among these are her ambiguous relation to the organization and raki.
2aii priscilla is not the "ultimate evil." and thus simple destruction is not her resolution.


3. group's immediate future
the group being there is simply incidental, and anything that happens to them are either independent additions to specific characters, or will be resolved once priscilla changes in some way.


overall analysis:
the grand arc of the story is to provide a reason for the fighting, to give the conflict a clear purpose. priscilla's mysterious history and changes remain unresolved and serve as key developmental jump points in all major plot lines. thus, priscilla changes.

keep in mind that in fictional work of fantasy fights do not happen by accident but are always advancing character/plot development. any departure from this would be bad writing.

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by anselfir

that would be bad writing

How so? You honestly expect either Claire or Priscilla to die?

A dark twist would be Claire fully awakening, but I can't see that happening either, no matter how likely it is now.

It WOULD be nice though to see what Claire would look like as an AB...but with this block, I can't see that happening anymore. Maybe she'll
change when and if she fights Raki.

[irvinethearcher]

What interests me the most after clare's unknown mistake is who blocked her.
At the moment i tend to rafaella. But how could that be? Zaki didn't prevent the yoma from killing raki.
But the body cried. Perhaps subconscious reactions are still possible so if rafaella's suppression was something she couldn't stop willingly perhaps clare can not that easy awaken anymore. I think clare would kill rafaella for that if she would not have been dead already

[anselfir]

Originally Posted by Shiek927

How so? You honestly expect either Claire or Priscilla to die?

A dark twist would be Claire fully awakening, but I can't see that happening either, no matter how likely it is now.

It WOULD be nice though to see what Claire would look like as an AB...but with this block, I can't see that happening anymore. Maybe she'll
change when and if she fights Raki.

at no point did i mention anything about either dying. it is possible to interpret your "fighting to a tie" as some kind of resolution without either side winning ie killing one another, but in that case i do not see any reason for you to disagree with me except that you have the reading comprehension capacity of a child. although this is an imminent possibility, it is also an uninteresting one.

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by anselfir

at no point did i mention anything about either dying. it is possible to interpret your "fighting to a tie" as some kind of resolution without either side winning ie killing one another, but in that case i do not see any reason for you to disagree with me except that you have the reading comprehension capacity of a child. although this is an imminent possibility, it is also an uninteresting one.

....I don't even really know what your beliefs are on this subject anyway, but you're saying I"m disagreeing with you.....because I have the "comprehension of a child"? Wow, somebody's angry

Hopefully if we get answers from Priscilla about many things, it may possibly lead up to a flashback arc at last.

Italian Scanlation is up, by the way.

And thank you DragoZero for that manga; I've never read it before and been looking for something new to read

[anselfir]

it is just a simple observation. i care little about you, rest assured.

[MalakTawus]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Some people need to go read Change 123.

Thanx!Seems really interesting,i'll go read it asap!

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by Shiek927

And thank you DragoZero for that manga; I've never read it before and been looking for something new to read

Originally Posted by MalakTawus

Thanx!Seems really interesting,i'll go read it asap!

Glad I could be of some service! Just read it slow, it's always murder waiting for a new chapter and the scanlation is a little stalled, so yeah.

Originally Posted by anselfir

it is just a simple observation. i care little about you, rest assured.

Don't worry, the feeling is mutual through out.

[[thousandmaster]]

I am hoping Raki's name will still come to play in the next chapter. I don't think Priscilla heard Claire's conversation with Deneve and Helen about Raki. Priscilla, the more she fights Claire, the more she'll remember who this person she is fighting. She hasn't realize it yet that Claire is the person Raki is looking for all this time. I think Priscilla will mention his name when Claire's got nothing left since she can't awakened at the moment.

But these three words could do it. "I ate him."

[DragoZERO]

The more I think about it, the more I think Galatea was the one who brought Clare back. It's because of that stupid editor comment that got us over thinking everything.

Originally Posted by [thousandmaster]

I am hoping Raki's name will still come to play in the next chapter. I don't think Priscilla heard Claire's conversation with Deneve and Helen about Raki. Priscilla, the more she fights Claire, the more she'll remember who this person she is fighting. She hasn't realize it yet that Claire is the person Raki is looking for all this time. I think Priscilla will mention his name when Claire's got nothing left since she can't awakened at the moment.

But these three words could do it. "I ate him."

Priscilla is a wild animal now. I would be very surprised if words would reach her, even ones about Raki.

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by DragoZero

Priscilla is a wild animal now. I would be very surprised if words would reach her, even ones about Raki.

Maybe not. Remember, she mentioned him when she was fighting Beth, the sheer fact that she actually remembers him is a humongous point; that Raki, was able to even have an effect on the wild animal inside her, is something that can't be forgotten.

She hasn't forgotten him, that much is clear. Why she didn't react means she either didn't hear it(what I think), or she simply ignored it(what Gangsta thinks).

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by Shiek927

Maybe not. Remember, she mentioned him when she was fighting Beth, the sheer fact that she actually remembers him is a humongous point; that Raki, was able to even have an effect on the wild animal inside her, is something that can't be forgotten.

She hasn't forgotten him, that much is clear. Why she didn't react means she either didn't hear it(what I think), or she simply ignored it(what Gangsta thinks).

Well, I'm not gonna get fooled again. I've thought many times that AB's can be good and was proved wrong, so there! Hmph!

[Joe_fh]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Since when does Clare have Teresa's memory and knowledge?

Ok I admit it that was my mistake . I was talking about Rafaela. Teresa's personality is completely gone in that regard. Anyways the point I made in that post still stands. Of course when people say Clare has multiple personalities they might mean something different from the mental condition which Clare doesn't have IMO.

[TheNumberThree]

Originally Posted by Shiek927

Maybe not. Remember, she mentioned him when she was fighting Beth, the sheer fact that she actually remembers him is a humongous point; that Raki, was able to even have an effect on the wild animal inside her, is something that can't be forgotten.

She hasn't forgotten him, that much is clear. Why she didn't react means she either didn't hear it(what I think), or she simply ignored it(what Gangsta thinks).

Well when she was fighting transformed beth, she referred to him as "that man" and only even referenced him to let us know that she was following Clares scent. (We didn't know at the time it was Clares scent, but we do now.)

I tend to think she heard and ignored it, because Raki means nothing to her at the moment, given her state of mind.

But I guess I better put my disclaimer: nothings certain in this manga, so we can't rule anything out just yet...

I'll just leave it at that for now.

[zato_1one]

I think that the destroyer will interrupt the fight in some ways.

Regarding of multi-personality, I don't believe that Clare was the case though. She just inherited their ability. But Raphaella might be different because Clare inherited her memories (soul?). She might end up just like the heroine in Valkyrie Profile 2.

That manga, I used to read it a while ago. One of a good ecchi manga.

[chickenlin]

umm this chapter reminds of claymore's last two filler episodes. The stupid spawns will change forms.. priscilla will crush them all. Meanwhile, clare lies on the ground wondering what the hell just happened. Priscilla returns to the cold confrontation but ultimately decides to kill clare. Deneve and Helen aren't the type to back off in that situation so they'll charge at priscilla in vain. Depending on what they say, it could be their last words before dying like noel and that diesel girl from the flashback chapters. If they're badly wounded like torn limbs then a search group consisting of tabitha, and idk, shows up for the rescue? Not likely. A distraction may be necessary, for the three to escape. Only the giant awakened being can do something about it. If they packed yoki suppression pills, escape is possible with necessary sacrifice. But who? Infected raki or awakened yuma and cynthia. Or all of these dramas go bye bye as Priscilla regress back to an infant.

[rampantsmurf]

Well, she has more than one entity inside her, all whom i believe who have influenced her peronality to this current day. So it is more of a tranformation of her personality.

AB's do still have a human side. Raki would have had an effect on that not her Animal side.

I foresee next chapter... Priscilla knowing Clare is unable to fully awaken.., they all get a little chatty.. someone intervenes and rescues them. Perhaps Phantom Miria.

[zato_1one]

No one can rescue them if Prissy really want to pursue them. The rescue team may end up as a side dish instead. Prissy can follow Clare's scent wherever she goes. The only possibility is that Prissy let her go for whatever reasons. IMO

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by zato_1one

I think that the destroyer will interrupt the fight in some ways.

Regarding of multi-personality, I don't believe that Clare was the case though. She just inherited their ability. But Raphaella might be different because Clare inherited her memories (soul?). She might end up just like the heroine in Valkyrie Profile 2.

That manga, I used to read it a while ago. One of a good ecchi manga.

I asssume you're talking about Lenneth, the main character