[Manga] Naruto Chapter 599 Discussion Thread

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by milan kyuubi

From what I remember, that wasn't Kishi's fault. But the fault of the guys who were fixing the chapter and translating it.

So it’s the translator’s fault? Damn! I didn’t know that. Still, how can he/she made a mistake by actually drawing something that wasn’t there? I’m curious.

[Luminion Lancer]

-Hmm, so Tobi is Obito after all, or at the very least someone who is using Obito's body? Meh, I'm alright with this. Although the intimate knowledge he has about Kakashi seems to indicate it really is Obito in there...bah, it is all speculation at this point. I happily await my explanation in chapter 600...unless Kishimoto decides to switch to someone else entirely .

[felix]

Originally Posted by Lunarskylar

oh god, it's been the biggest foreshadowing on all time. the biggest trollage of all time. i'm just at a loss for words.

eat your heart out kubo

Pretty much. Loved it.

[Ushio the Omega]

Pape 2 of chapter 599 shows the following people entering the academy together all with the same height yet accoding to the official data books there ages during part 1 are as follows


Kakashi & Gai 26
Asuma & Kurenai 27
Hayate 23
Genma 34
Ebisu 28
Raido 31
Aoga 30

So I guess Hayate really was an extra special genius to start at the academy at the same time as Kakashi who GRADUATED AT 5 NOT STARTED while being 3 years younger.

[Dengar]

Oh, the academy stuff didn't make sense at all. To be fair, the writer is only human.

[janipani]

I suggest to just ignore the plotholes and add fixes with your own imagenation

BTW, when Kishi draws and plots, he does it while humming this song http://youtu.be/PL8CD8PjVmA

[That Other Ninja]

Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhha!

[Ero-Senn1n]

Originally Posted by Dengar

That's one of the major things that don't click with me well. Obito seriously was nothing special. At all. He hadn't even awakened to his Sharingan yet until like one or two hours before his death.

I'm more concerned about the huge personality change, about a few years have passed after his "death" but when he fights his ex-sensei Minato he shows no emotions, he's like a killing machine. He was killing his sensei's family for god's sake, what sort of monster has he become, is there even 1% left there in his head that's that we can call Obito? I never saw anything of Obito in his personality when he was serious, not a trace. The only hint is when he plays the "good boy", it seems to me that he despises his old self, the good boy, he plays this personality to remember how shitty he was when he sacrificed his life, helped an old lady, etc. That is the only sign that he could be Obito.

As for the power level, we can say that he was a loser like Naruto and in some way weak like Sasuke. I mean Sasuke when he was Obito's age was doing really bad against Haku, it was because of Haku's good will that Sasuke didn't die like Obito did. And about 3 years after that Sasuke has now EMS and is stronger than an average kage. Naruto became also kage level guy by now, he has the kyuubi sure, but Obito was also upgraded in many ways, eyes and 1st hokage's cells, and who knows what else. If Obito's personality radically changed and he was trained hard by Madara, then Kishimoto could get away with this radical powerup. However it's still not clear why is he not blind, Sasuke's EMS is Itachi's gift. Of course that could be explained by the magic of the 1st hokage's cells implanted into Tobi. But all these explanations really make it like 0.000001% chance that all these unlikely events could be added up to have Tobi=Obito.

When we look back we see how stupid things already happened: Nagato suddenly changing his mind and helping Naruto, Sasuke pulling out Orochimaru from Anko, Kabuto achieving unbeliveable powerups while Orochimaru somehow always stopped at like 99% progress of achieveng that powerup, Naruto training for 3 years and being still weak but then 2 weeks training makes him so strong that a top jounin like Shikaku doesn't even want to enter battle, etc.
So with 5-10 chapters of Tobito flashbacks maybe we can make sense of it, after a few drinks

But even if Tobi is just Obito it's still a better than Lost's ending

[That Other Ninja]

Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n

I'm more concerned about the huge personality change, about a few years have passed after his "death" but when he fights his ex-sensei Minato he shows no emotions, he's like a killing machine. He was killing his sensei's family for god's sake, what sort of monster has he become, is there even 1% left there in his head that's that we can call Obito? I never saw anything of Obito in his personality when he was serious, not a trace. The only hint is when he plays the "good boy", it seems to me that he despises his old self, the good boy, he plays this personality to remember how shitty he was when he sacrificed his life, helped an old lady, etc. That is the only sign that he could be Obito.

As for the power level, we can say that he was a loser like Naruto and in some way weak like Sasuke. I mean Sasuke when he was Obito's age was doing really bad against Haku, it was because of Haku's good will that Sasuke didn't die like Obito did. And about 3 years after that Sasuke has now EMS and is stronger than an average kage. If Obito's personality radically changed and he was trained hard by Madara, then Kishimoto could get away with this radical powerup. However that still does not explain that he is not blind, Sasuke's EMS is Itachi's gift. Of course that could be explained by the magic of the 1st hokage's cells implanted into Tobi.

When we look back we see how stupid things already happened: Nagato suddenly changing his mind and helping Naruto, Sasuke pulling out Orochimaru from Anko, Kabuto achieving unbeliveable powerups while Orochimaru somehow always stopped at like 99% progress of achieveng that powerup, Naruto training for 3 years and being still weak but then 2 weeks training makes him so strong that a top jounin like Shikaku doesn't even want to enter battle, etc.

Maybe the huge boulder on his face gave him some brain damage.

(good to know you're still around btw)

[b1gdawg]

Originally Posted by Shiryuu

Doesn't make sense. He just murdered his clan for shits and giggles?

I think it was Madara who murdered the clan with Itachi. It's just a new theory that I just came up with but since Madara didn't die after his fight with the First, who else could kill him after that? Plus Kisame saying that he saw his face and he is Madara, and Itachi saying something like "Madara is nothing but a pathetic version of his former self", makes me believe Madara didn't die until very recently then revived by Kabuto. Plus the hair of the ninja that Itachi was shown meeting was similar to Madara's and not Tobito. I don't think Kishi would mess up with something like that.

[Nintendo]

why did the 4th have a monument on the mountain if he wasn't made hokage yet?

I think its a soul taking over the body, because if it is obito then damn they made a caring kid who would help an old lady into a mass murderer. rin has to be the key, she had to die some way to make him go crazy with wold domination if its still obitos mind.

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Nintendo

why did the 4th have a monument on the mountain if he wasn't made hokage yet?

I think the answer is obvious...time travel.

[janipani]

Maybe Madara lives through other peoples bodies.. a bit like seen in Darker than Black.

Maybe.. just maybe.. Obito is possesed, Tobi was first introduced as goofy guy as Obito used to be. Perhaps he was still Obito.. well this is just speculation, I have buggy memory on details. Wouldn't it be great if Kakashi could actually still save his friend ;D And they will rip Madara off from Obito's body ...

[Lendial]

i dont get it, does the 4th not age at all?

[Dengar]

What do you mean? He died when he was in his early thirties at BEST. Someone else can probably come up with his exact age.

[Lendial]

its just a little strange how obito is just a child here but then comes back some years later to fight the 4th for the kyubi but all grown up. the 4th looks exactly the same.

[Ero-Senn1n]

Originally Posted by Lendial

its just a little strange how obito is just a child here but then comes back some years later to fight the 4th for the kyubi but all grown up. the 4th looks exactly the same.

You don't age too much between age 25 and 30, especially a trained healthy person. On the other hand children grow pretty quickly

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Lendial

its just a little strange how obito is just a child here but then comes back some years later to fight the 4th for the kyubi but all grown up. the 4th looks exactly the same.

Obito only "died" 2 or so years before Tobi attacked Konoha. So, I don't see why you think Minato would have changed much in that time period. Or, are you commenting on how different Obito looked during the fight with the 4th (if Tobi was Obito at that time).

Personally, I'm still unclear how Minato could have mistaken Tobi for Madara considering he seemingly knew Obito for 6+ years. This entire sequence of recent events just makes Minato look foolish, something Kishimoto has never really done before.

[felix]

It is very likely we've been fed obvious lies, and we're biting them hard.

[itachi-san314]

Originally Posted by Ushio the Omega

Pape 2 of chapter 599 shows the following people entering the academy together all with the same height yet accoding to the official data books there ages during part 1 are as follows


Kakashi & Gai 26
Asuma & Kurenai 27
Hayate 23
Genma 34
Ebisu 28
Raido 31
Aoga 30

So I guess Hayate really was an extra special genius to start at the academy at the same time as Kakashi who GRADUATED AT 5 NOT STARTED while being 3 years younger.

Originally Posted by Nintendo

why did the 4th have a monument on the mountain if he wasn't made hokage yet?

Originally Posted by james0246

I think the answer is obvious...time travel.

or the answer to everything unexplainable:

or they could have been Gai's memories this chapter

Originally Posted by james0246

Personally, I'm still unclear how Minato could have mistaken Tobi for Madara considering he seemingly knew Obito for 6+ years. This entire sequence of recent events just makes Minato look foolish, something Kishimoto has never really done before.

that's why i think madara needs to be in there too. it makes fools out of not just minato, but itachi, kisame, and oonoki. only kabuto saw through it apparently

Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n

But even if Tobi is just Obito it's still a better than Lost's ending

so true. nothing can top that disappointment if it tried