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Eisdrache · 2013-02-09, 22:46

5 bucks that the Sibyl system consists of the brains of people whose crime coefficient can't be measured like Makishima and Kouzaburou. That's why they need to be caught alive since their bodies are what's running the Sibyl system.

And since the director seems to know Makishima, why not go all out on speculation and assume that whoever can't be measured was once a part of the Sibyl system core and has chosen the blue pill escaped from there somehow without remembering their origin. This might or might not include Akane.

Speaking of the director, she was literally falling apart. Since she isn't the type who would be shot by random criminals it means that her energy source is bound at the same place from some reason (wherever that is it definitely isn't anywhere near the core).

GoldenLand · 2013-02-09, 23:46

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Originally Posted by Eisdrache

5 bucks that the Sibyl system consists of the brains of people whose crime coefficient can't be measured like Makishima and Kouzaburou. That's why they need to be caught alive since their bodies are what's running the Sibyl system.

It's very likely to be that way...but I have to wonder why. Why would the Sibyl system need that specific sort of brain? What advantage would they have for the system over an ordinary person's brain?

It makes me wonder if perhaps Akane will be at risk of becoming part of the Sibyl system one day. Her coefficient isn't unaffected by stresses, but it does bounce back in a way that's unnatural for most people living in that society. Maybe they will target her, if they're running low on people like Makishima.

(Incidentally, I think the series will suck if it actually ends up with a sacrificial Akane-brain running an ideal version of the system. It had better not happen.)

Dengar · 2013-02-10, 04:36

By the way, this has been bugging me for a while now. But where did the chief's skin go?

garbage · 2013-02-10, 06:30

latelate...

Man poor kagari, the death flag from past episode was just too much for him to overcome, plus he has seen the forbidden >.< too bad he was really cool replying against seung there.

so as I've thought , the director is sibyl or more accurately (probably) the main terminal? linchpin? of the system, she definitely can override Sibyl . and the processor is mostly powered by humans. although we haven't seen it yet. probably by humans like makishima & Akane.

So is makishima an escapee of a program, was he destined to be part of Sibyl? that's why the director knows him?
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Using animals to judge humans would be even more shocking, given the theme of the anime.

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If Choe could prove that the Sybl system was operated by latent criminals, it'd certainly WOULD cast doubt upon the system.

well It could be made up of latent criminal brains...there was this talk in the early episodes about why enforcers are effective " because they can think like criminals"
so it's perfectly logical if Sibyl uses latent criminal Brains as benchmark (with probably "clean" like Akane's brains for establishing parameters ), and unmeasurables like makishima as control group

scientific method !!!

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Additionally, it was a really.Really good hit. For her only scene thus far where she gets to bludgeon someone, she did a damn good job.

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and you've gotta love Makishima's surprised reaction & comedic fall to the ground ^^. that's awesome in intself, the "untouchable's" fall. remember even the badass Kougami (though previously injured) was unable to subdue him.

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The implication that the main antagonist is basically no better than one of his pawns? Why yes, yes it is. For starters, it makes the conflict a lot less layered and a lot less interesting, which isn't usually the case with Urobuchi.

if it ends there, and Makishima rots in an unknown cell never heard from again, probably, but It's not yet the end. The most interesting characters are not perfect they make mistakes, which adds more "layers" as you term it(and this is pretty much Makishima's only one so far) just like any human. What happens next, what he does with his capture will define him more.

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(of course, this last part can still be redeemed depending on what happens to him from now on).

oops yes that's what I'm saying, you touched on it too.

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So yes, his behavior in this episode did cheapen his character somewhat, in my view.

...but I disagree here, I would view it as a chance of deepening his character more.

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So...chances Sybil is sentient a'la Skynet?

when I read your post I thought....an aquarium of swimming girls... picture VRO girls in swimsuit

....thst is why Seung was so happy taking pictures

U. N. Owen · 2013-02-10, 10:09

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Well... Bodies... bodies in the water...

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I guess P.K.Dick wasn't mentioned all for nothing in the last ep.

... Why isn't anyone else giving this some serious thought?

Cosmic Eagle · 2013-02-10, 10:16

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... Why isn't anyone else giving this some serious thought?

They are....

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when I read your post I thought....an aquarium of swimming girls... picture VRO girls in swimsuit ....thst is why Seung was so happy taking pictures

Pictures hordes of the Chief doing what you mention while doing "supposedly intelligent and sophisticated communion physical activities common in contemporary science fiction involving AI's formed from gestalt minds"....*vomits*

Kanon · 2013-02-10, 12:59

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By the way, this has been bugging me for a while now. But where did the chief's skin go?

Choe fired acid at her. The skin melted.

Roger Rambo · 2013-02-10, 16:09

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Choe fired acid at her. The skin melted.

When did he do that?

Dengar · 2013-02-10, 16:10

When did that happen? How would I miss something like that?

kakakka · 2013-02-10, 16:24

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When did that happen? How would I miss something like that?

They fired at almost the same time. The one that came from the dominator gun pierced through the acid shot, making a spray(?) that caught half of the chief's body.

Chiaki_chan · 2013-02-10, 16:32

then it is obvious that Kagari died not need to have seen are body explode as Cho Sung-gu ... The chief could not let Kagari alive after what he has "seen"
:/

Beltane70 · 2013-02-10, 19:14

For anyone that's confused about how the chief wound up in her condition:

whitecloud · 2013-02-10, 22:47

i dont know if it has been posted before....

Get your PSYCHO PASS SCAN here !!
http://en.shindanmaker.com/285692

step right up...

im not the one that make it though...

tell me your result...by the way my result is 165...damn must be because of those horror movies and my job...i guess i must get those helmet and run from sybil

U. N. Owen · 2013-02-10, 23:03

It has been posted many times. Randomizes your crime coefficient each time, and doesn't do a good job predicting your danger- if this is the same one...

"my name"'s Criminal Coefficient is 405; Lethal Eliminator enabled. Carefully shoot and kill "my name".

Yup, same one alright.

If I were living in Sibyl's society, I'd be fucked. Be flagged at every street scanner I passed.

GDiddy · 2013-02-10, 23:20

Finally caught the episode...

RIP Kagari. I had Yayoi or the Old Guy pegged as the ones to die first, but I was wrong. Shion better hope Chief Cyborg doesn't know Shion was the one who hacked into there for Ko and co....or she's next.

GO AKANE! Beat Makishima with that helmet....I hope Ko isn't too hard on her for not killing him.

And as much as I adore Ko he sure gets his ass kicked around a lot doesn't he?

and apparently I"m a good girl, 'cause my PP is 80

Izayoi · 2013-02-11, 01:59

Oh. Wow...... I have never seen such an.... epic episode in a long time.
Someone was right about the Chief being a cyborg. That guy is a time traveler...

I really enjoyed that the characters were actually getting wounded as they fight each of the henchmen as oppose to one hit knock out until reaching the final boss. It creates a great suspense with the excellent animation.

Cosmic Eagle · 2013-02-12, 13:03

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Oh. Wow...... I have never seen such an.... epic episode in a long time.
Someone was right about the Chief being a cyborg. That guy is a time traveler...

To be fair, there was an earlier ep where she was scanning data at the end...

Allium · 2013-02-13, 08:42

What a great end to Makishima's plan and overall, his 'arc.' Didn't expect Makishima to overwhelm Kougami so quickly during the fight, but Akane made up for that with the helmet. However, things won't stop there though - obviously there's much, much more to Sibyl and the Director, as shown at the end. I'm quite expecting one helluva of a ride from now onwards. I also hope that we're not seeing the last of Makishima...

Kagari didn't do much during the past episodes, but I couldn't help feeling a little twinge of sympathy at his death, even though I pretty much expected it after he decided to split from the group. I liked his responses to Cho Gu Seung, and the fact that he accepted his death with pride. So yeap, R.I.P.

Overall, another good episode. Looking forward to seeing Sibyl's true form!

4Tran · 2013-03-04, 01:50

This is easily the best episode so far. However, if the show was actually about this, then aren't the first few episodes a complete waste of time?

A few more oddities: the Nona Tower's enormous, but there's nobody inside? How can a building like that get attacked with no-one on the outside the wiser?

Also, the conversation between Kagari and Cho Gu-Sung is way more interesting than the one between Kougami and Makishima. Name-dropping Pascal quotes isn't going to enliven a piece of dialogue unless you've got something of value to say.

Archon_Wing · 2013-03-17, 18:50

Well I thought the show couldn't get more ridiculous. We have lightsabers and villain and somewhat protagonist engaging in hand to hand combat while debating morals while having that "If you kill him you will be like him" spiel. Well, as cliche it it got, it was very cool. And surely, this is not the end to pretty boy's plans either. The twist at the end was well-timed, and a full out loss of confidence in the system will cause a real collapse. But the Chief is the Terminator or something And poor Kagari... Akira Ishida had a fine performance as him.

So what now? Might is definitely more noticable at this point.

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U. N. Owen Realistic Idealist Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: R'lyeh	It has been posted many times. Randomizes your crime coefficient each time, and doesn't do a good job predicting your danger- if this is the same one... "my name"'s Criminal Coefficient is 405; Lethal Eliminator enabled. Carefully shoot and kill "my name". Yup, same one alright. If I were living in Sibyl's society, I'd be fucked. Be flagged at every street scanner I passed. __________________

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GDiddy Sisterhood of the Desu Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: in a van by the river	Finally caught the episode... RIP Kagari. I had Yayoi or the Old Guy pegged as the ones to die first, but I was wrong. Shion better hope Chief Cyborg doesn't know Shion was the one who hacked into there for Ko and co....or she's next. GO AKANE! Beat Makishima with that helmet....I hope Ko isn't too hard on her for not killing him. And as much as I adore Ko he sure gets his ass kicked around a lot doesn't he? and apparently I"m a good girl, 'cause my PP is 80 __________________

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Eisdrache Part-time misanthrope Join Date: Mar 2007	5 bucks that the Sibyl system consists of the brains of people whose crime coefficient can't be measured like Makishima and Kouzaburou. That's why they need to be caught alive since their bodies are what's running the Sibyl system. And since the director seems to know Makishima, why not go all out on speculation and assume that whoever can't be measured was once a part of the Sibyl system core and has chosen the blue pill escaped from there somehow without remembering their origin. This might or might not include Akane. Speaking of the director, she was literally falling apart. Since she isn't the type who would be shot by random criminals it means that her energy source is bound at the same place from some reason (wherever that is it definitely isn't anywhere near the core).

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Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	By the way, this has been bugging me for a while now. But where did the chief's skin go?

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Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	When did that happen? How would I miss something like that?

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whitecloud Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	i dont know if it has been posted before.... Get your PSYCHO PASS SCAN here !! http://en.shindanmaker.com/285692 step right up... im not the one that make it though... tell me your result...by the way my result is 165...damn must be because of those horror movies and my job...i guess i must get those helmet and run from sybil

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Allium Keep on keeping on Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: The pale blue dot...	What a great end to Makishima's plan and overall, his 'arc.' Didn't expect Makishima to overwhelm Kougami so quickly during the fight, but Akane made up for that with the helmet. However, things won't stop there though - obviously there's much, much more to Sibyl and the Director, as shown at the end. I'm quite expecting one helluva of a ride from now onwards. I also hope that we're not seeing the last of Makishima... Kagari didn't do much during the past episodes, but I couldn't help feeling a little twinge of sympathy at his death, even though I pretty much expected it after he decided to split from the group. I liked his responses to Cho Gu Seung, and the fact that he accepted his death with pride. So yeap, R.I.P. Overall, another good episode. Looking forward to seeing Sibyl's true form!

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4Tran Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	This is easily the best episode so far. However, if the show was actually about this, then aren't the first few episodes a complete waste of time? A few more oddities: the Nona Tower's enormous, but there's nobody inside? How can a building like that get attacked with no-one on the outside the wiser? Also, the conversation between Kagari and Cho Gu-Sung is way more interesting than the one between Kougami and Makishima. Name-dropping Pascal quotes isn't going to enliven a piece of dialogue unless you've got something of value to say. __________________ The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won...