Ore no Imouto - Light Novel & Manga Discussion Thread

[larethian]

totally agree on Index. Index's characters are somewhat lacking. moreover, the focus is given to the scale of the plot and not much fleshing out of characters. but I still love it though.

back to oreimo

Spoiler for volume 8 chapter 1:

In two lines: chapter starts with Kuroneko confessing and ends with Kyousuke accepting. Kyousuke didn't accept it right away, he took a day to consider, then finally accepted.

Event/Scene sequence: Kuroneko confession (school) -> Went home, dialogue with Kirino (home) -> Consultation with Manami -> Natsukomi close-up party with Kirino, Kuroneko, Saori; antics (Kyouske's house) -> Accepted Kurnoneko's confession (after party)

Highlights (Scene 1):
KN: Please go out with me.
...
(Kyou's inner monologue, thinking, thinking, is this for real?)
...
(KN expressing uncertainty, dialogue to and fro)
...
KN: you're confused?
Kyou: ......
KN: such a pathetic guy
...
(KN switched from uncertain phase to arrogant phase)
...
KN: I also love that pathetic trait of yours.
...
KN: Adopt a seiza position there.
...
KN: If you go out with me, I'll make bento for you everyday, I can make clothes for you, I can go to cosplays with you, there're a lot of benefits in going out with me.
...
KN: if that's not enough...
(KN's face became red)
Kyou: Oiy, what did you just imagine!? Didn't you just look at me with a face that's on the verge of tears!"
KN: Not, nothing. It's not like I was thinking of anything perverted.
...
(Thoughts, gratitude dialogue)
(KN gave him one day to think about it, about to leave, then turn around)
KN: If senpai wants, I can put on glasses for you.
Kyou: ...That's a fantastic suggestion.

End of Scene 1.

Be back at a later time.

EDIT:

Spoiler for v8 chpater 1 continue:

Scene 2
(Kyousuke mulling about the previous day event - ie. Kirino bringing her fake boyfriend home incident)
(Reach home, Kirino calls out to him)
Kiri: Go into Seiza position.
Kyou: Huh?
Kiri: Don’t huh me. I told you to do seiza. Didn’t you hear me?
(And he did.)
…
Kiri: If I had brought a real boyfriend instead, would you have said the same thing?
Kyou: Of course, yeah.
Kiri: And if Mikagami-san was really in love with me and tried to persuade you?”
...
Kyou: I don’t know.
(Kirino pokes his cheek with her foot)
Kiri: answer properly.
…
Kyou: I’ll cry.
Kiri: what’s that?
Kyou: after beating him up, if he’s serious, and you also like him, I can only cry, but I can’t stop you guys.
...
Kiri: how much of a siscon are you?
...
Kiri: show through your actions to prove how much you value me.
Kyou: what
…
Kiri: listen to this request of mine.
…
Kiri: if in the near future, if a girl who values you a lot confesses to you, think about it very seriously.

Kiri: because that girl really likes you.



Scene 3 (Next day with Manami - I shall skip most of the parts)
(Manami acts like a psychic since she seems to be able to tell what’s troubling Kyousuke)
(Kyousuke tries to hide it, but later realizing he’s afraid of Manami’s wrath, got into dogeza and apologized for lying)
(Manami guessed correctly he’s troubled about Kuroneko.)
(Manami merely asked him to think it over slowly. Her words have a soothing effect on Kyousuke)

Scene 4 (after scene 3)
(Natsukomi wrap up party planned by Saori in Kyousuke’s house)
(gang apologized to Saori for previous incident)
(Saori asked them to go into seiza)
(dialogue and antics which I don’t feel like translating)
(Kyousuke walked Kuroneko for a little, and accepted her confession)

End of chapter 1

haha, I got lazier and lazier, troublesome to type while trying to refer to the book.

[karice67]

Originally Posted by larethian

back to oreimo

Spoiler for volume 8 chapter 1:

In two lines: chapter starts with Kuroneko confessing and ends with Kyousuke accepting. Kyousuke didn't accept it right away, he took a day to consider, then finally accepted.

Event/Scene sequence: Kuroneko confession (school) -> Went home, dialogue with Kirino (home) -> Consultation with Manami -> Natsukomi close-up party with Kirino, Kuroneko, Saori; antics (Kyouske's house) -> Accepted Kurnoneko's confession (after party)

Highlights (Scene 1):
KN: Please go out with me.
...
(Kyou's inner monologue, thinking, thinking, is this for real?)
...
(KN expressing uncertainty, dialogue to and fro)
...
KN: you're confused?
Kyou: ......
KN: such a pathetic guy
...
(KN switched from uncertain phase to arrogant phase)
...
KN: I also love that pathetic trait of yours.
...
KN: Adopt a seiza position there.
...
KN: If you go out with me, I'll make bento for you everyday, I can make clothes for you, I can go to cosplays with you, there're a lot of benefits in going out with me.
...
KN: if that's not enough...
(KN's face became red)
Kyou: Oiy, what did you just imagine!? Didn't you just look at me with a face that's on the verge of tears!"
KN: Not, nothing. It's not like I was thinking of anything perverted.
...
(Thoughts, gratitude dialogue)
(KN gave him one day to think about it, about to leave, then turn around)
KN: If senpai wants, I can put on glasses for you.
Kyou: ...That's a fantastic suggestion.

End of Scene 1.

Be back at a later time.

EDIT:

Spoiler for v8 chpater 1 continue:

Scene 2
(Kyousuke mulling about the previous day event - ie. Kirino bringing her fake boyfriend home incident)
(Reach home, Kirino calls out to him)
Kiri: Go into Seiza position.
Kyou: Huh?
Kiri: Don’t huh me. I told you to do seiza. Didn’t you hear me?
(And he did.)
…
Kiri: If I had brought a real boyfriend instead, would you have said the same thing?
Kyou: Of course, yeah.
Kiri: And if Mikagami-san was really in love with me and tried to persuade you?”
...
Kyou: I don’t know.
(Kirino pokes his cheek with her foot)
Kiri: answer properly.
…
Kyou: I’ll cry.
Kiri: what’s that?
Kyou: after beating him up, if he’s serious, and you also like him, I can only cry, but I can’t stop you guys.
...
Kiri: how much of a siscon are you?
...
Kiri: show through your actions to prove how much you value me.
Kyou: what
…
Kiri: listen to this request of mine.
…
Kiri: if in the near future, if a girl who values you a lot confesses to you, think about it very seriously.

Kiri: because that girl really likes you.



Scene 3 (Next day with Manami - I shall skip most of the parts)
(Manami acts like a psychic since she seems to be able to tell what’s troubling Kyousuke)
(Kyousuke tries to hide it, but later realizing he’s afraid of Manami’s wrath, got into dogeza and apologized for lying)
(Manami guessed correctly he’s troubled about Kuroneko.)
(Manami merely asked him to think it over slowly. Her words have a soothing effect on Kyousuke)

Scene 4 (after scene 3)
(Natsukomi wrap up party planned by Saori in Kyousuke’s house)
(gang apologized to Saori for previous incident)
(Saori asked them to go into seiza)
(dialogue and antics which I don’t feel like translating)
(Kyousuke walked Kuroneko for a little, and accepted her confession)

End of chapter 1

haha, I got lazier and lazier, troublesome to type while trying to refer to the book.

Yay! Thanks for the summaries!

Wondering if you might tell me though, how much of the following Japanese summary is accurate? (cos it looks like a fair bit of it isn't)

Spoiler for length:

566 名前: この名無しがすごい! [sage] 投稿日: 2011/05/06(金) 14:48:37.64 ID:LLp39pqh
1章
・表面上は何事もなく進む
・告白の返事はまだしていない
・付き合うことになったらこのグループもうんぬん悩む
・桐乃は知ってる、沙織は気づいてる
・翌日、麻奈実に相談。おこるよ?と言われる(8巻は電話のみの登場)
・ちなみに麻奈実の返答はいつものように誤解してスルー
・京介、桐乃に相談。あんたの気持ちはどうなの?で好きと即答
・桐乃「黒いののこと傷つけたらあたしが許さないから」
・京介、桐乃に彼氏作るなって言ったのを実は気にしていたと気づく
・校舎裏で告白の返事&キス。

[zeko]

thanks

hope you do more

Spoiler:

KN: If you go out with me, I'll make bento for you everyday, I can make clothes for you, I can go to cosplays with you, there're a lot of benefits in going out with me.

can she fix my ipod? lmao

KN: If senpai wants, I can put on glasses for you.
Kyou: ...That's a fantastic suggestion.

kyuske is a perverted sob

[Maugomale]

Spoiler:

KN: If senpai wants, I can put on glasses for you.
Kyou: ...That's a fantastic suggestion.

Desperate much?

Spoiler:

Kiri: if in the near future, if a girl who values you a lot confesses to you, think about it very seriously.

Kiri: because that girl really likes you.

Anyone else think she's referring to herself too and not just Kuroneko?

[BladeEntity]

Still I'm hoping for a Kuroneko end cause well I really don't want a 360 turn and Kirino is adopted crap. They end to stay as siblings no matter what complexes they have.

Kuroneko for the Win
or anyone other than Kirino is fine too.

[zeko]

Spoiler:

so i guess that this image is from the party
http://node2.img3.akibablog.net/11/m...reimo/109.html

[larethian]

because I only have time to read chapter 1 for now, I can't tell in entirety, though more or less true for those in Chapter 1, with some deviations. ?? means I don't know yet at the moment.

Originally Posted by karice67

Yay! Thanks for the summaries!

Wondering if you might tell me though, how much of the following Japanese summary is accurate? (cos it looks like a fair bit of it isn't)

Spoiler for length:

566 名前: この名無しがすごい! [sage] 投稿日: 2011/05/06(金) 14:48:37.64 ID:LLp39pqh
1章
・表面上は何事もなく進む (true for Chapter 1 but later??)
・告白の返事はまだしていない (true for Chapter 1 till end)
・付き合うことになったらこのグループもうんぬん悩む (??)
・桐乃は知ってる、沙織は気づいてる (talking about before Kyousuke accepts or after??)
・翌日、麻奈実に相談。おこるよ?と言われる(8巻は電話のみの登場) (true for Chapter 1 though I don't know what "電話のみの登場" may be referring to)
・ちなみに麻奈実の返答はいつものように誤解してスルー (huh?? なんの返答したんだっけ？)
・京介、桐乃に相談。あんたの気持ちはどうなの?で好きと即答 (??)
・桐乃「黒いののこと傷つけたらあたしが許さないから」(??)
・京介、桐乃に彼氏作るなって言ったのを実は気にしていたと気づく (true)
・校舎裏で告白の返事&キス。(ttaku, Kiss shitenai kuse ni. firstly, during Kuroneko's confession which did take place behind the school premises, Kuroneko actually lean forward slowly, closing in, and then Kyousuke remembered the feeling of the previous kiss, it was at this time Kuroneko said "Soko ni seizanasai"; no kiss took place. As for the henji, it didn't take place in the school, but after the party at Kyousuke's house, when he walked her, and no kiss happened here as well.)

the summary seems jumbled up, so it's rather confusing.

I also forgot to mention these notable stuff:

Spoiler:

When she confessed, Kuroneko declared that her love for Kyousuke will not lose to anyone. And also, in scene 4, KN also thanked Saori for what she had done.

I'll try to update asap. but I'm a little busy, since I'm attending a weekend conference.



EDIT:

Originally Posted by zeko

Spoiler:

so i guess that this image is from the party
http://node2.img3.akibablog.net/11/m...reimo/109.html

yes.

[zeko]

Originally Posted by larethian

yes.

Spoiler:

but is she wearing the terminator glasses

[larethian]

Originally Posted by zeko

Spoiler:

but is she wearing the terminator glasses

those are sunglasses. she just whipped them out suddenly.

[HayashiTakara]

My theory is that Kirino is testing to see how much Kyousuke cares for her. Someone very soon is going to confess to Kyousuke and I believe that whether if he rejects her or not will be the deciding factor for Kirino.

[Merilyn Mensola]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

My theory is that Kirino is testing to see how much Kyousuke cares for her. Someone very soon is going to confess to Kyousuke and I believe that whether if he rejects her or not will be the deciding factor for Kirino.

Actually,Kyousuke accept kureneko confession.we need to see how the reaction of Kirino.

[Marcus H.]

I'm a bit disappointed that there's little to no progress in Baka-tsuki regarding the translation project of the light novels. I just have Seanver's blogs to serve as my source of the light novels.

[zeko]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

I'm a bit disappointed that there's little to no progress in Baka-tsuki regarding the translation project of the light novels. I just have Seanver's blogs to serve as my source of the light novels.

translating is not an easy job. believe me, i know.

especially novels. there are several factors that you need to take in when translating one. not because it's long. it's because of the audience you are translating to. see, translators for novels tend to not translate what is infront of them but what is behind it. they translate the context of the meaning. for example, sayings in japanese can not be understood by americans. therefore, they have to look for equivalent. another thing translators do is choose what is good for th ear to hear. in other words, what sounds english. other things involve translating the impact that the author originally wanted for the readers to feel.

non of this is an easy job.

[karice67]

Originally Posted by larethian

I'll try to update asap. but I'm a little busy, since I'm attending a weekend conference.

No worries - RL always matters more, IMHO. But many many thanks for doing this!

Originally Posted by zeko

translating is not an easy job. believe me, i know.

especially novels. there are several factors that you need to take in when translating one. not because it's long. it's because of the audience you are translating to. see, translators for noels tend to not translate what is there. they translate the context of the meaning. for example, sayings in japanese can not be understood by americans. therefore, they have to look for equivalent. another thing translators do is choose what is good for th ear to hear. in other words, what sounds english. other things involve translating the impact that the author originally wanted for the readers to feel.

non of this is an easy job.

To be honest, OreImo should actually be one of the easier novels to translate (it's nothing like Bake, or Macross, for example)...but people like me are rather lazy...(^_^;; )

[Marcus H.]

non of this is an easy job.

Toaru Majutsu no Index is a lucky basterd, having most of its volumes translated at the span of several months; what's surprising is that it's hell to translate due to its terminologies and various references. I hope Oreimo improves its progress this year, so that I know what happens between the time when Kirino leaves for America and

Spoiler for Volume 8:

Kuroneko breaking up with Kyousuke

.

;_;

EDIT: And I'm quite shocked at the reactions of the people on what happened. 4chan's even avoiding opening similar topics to avoid "The Greatest Sh*tstorm of Our Time" to happen, and IRL, some of the fans even burn precious pieces of merchandise as a form of outrage.

[larethian]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

I'm a bit disappointed that there's little to no progress in Baka-tsuki regarding the translation project of the light novels. I just have Seanver's blogs to serve as my source of the light novels.

are you talking to me?

EDIT:
and actually, no one is translating at baka-tsuki. I just did some on a whim. the first volume was hosted with courtesy of Hima********, sister group of Ay***. So all along, it was never active, as in it never had active staff from BT. and actually I did some because of the Kirino haters, but later I realized there are many out there who just can't be bothered to read the LNs. so well, I kind of love translating this because of the contractions and zokugo and Japanese net references I added to my vocab. but I'm already very engaged hahahaha, wwwwww.

and I contacted Hima through a 3rd party; they are short-handed and it's on hiatus. So until some new translator comes along, I'm sorry to say, tough luck.

[taichi-kun]

Thank you very much for chapter 1

Spoiler:

Poor kuroneko.. she will suffer in the future.... and kirino's dialogue with kyou was rare...

but I want incest end, so please kirino confess your love!hurry up!!

Waiting for chapter 2... how many chapters are there??

[larethian]

Originally Posted by taichi-kun

Thank you very much for chapter 1

Spoiler:

Poor kuroneko.. she will suffer in the future.... and kirino's dialogue with kyou was rare...

but I want incest end, so please kirino confess your love!hurry up!!

Waiting for chapter 2... how many chapters are there??

If what you say occurs, it means I got trolled for the past 7 volumes, and I'll burn the books (well not really, I'll give them away probably). Though after having read 2 chapters in volume 8, I can still see that this is not going to happen.

There are four chapters. Though the last 2 are much longer.


Shokun, here comes chapter 2's summary. Brace yourselves.

Spoiler for v8 c2 summary & highlights:

Chapter 2
The day after the acceptance of Kuroneko’s confession, there was a club meeting for the Game Research club (currently summer vacation is still ongoing but coming towards the end soon). During the night, Kyousuke couldn’t sleep as he was too excited about this new girlfriend thing, and kept thinking about Kuroneko and some lewd stuff.

Come morning, Mikagami called on Kyousuke to hang out. He was lonely as he didn’t have otaku friends in Japan with whom he could share his interests. Kyousuke ended up bringing Mikagami to his club activities. En route to that, he seeked Mikagami’s advice on a few things regarding ‘girlfriend’ matters, since Mikagami, as a good-looking guy, seems to have experiences in such relationships. Some funny dialogue took place.

Reaching the clubroom, Kuroneko was not there yet, but Sena started her BL antics, as usual. As expected, lots of hilarious manzai took place between Miura-buchou, Makabe, Sena, and Kyousuke. Kuroneko came, and after some exchanges, some misunderstandings were uncovered, and Kyousuke and Kuroneko’s relationship was out in the open.

The rest of the club then brought Mikagami to visit the Game Research club’s secret base, which was Makabe’s house, leaving Kyousuke and Kuroneko in the clubroom alone. They then share their thoughts on this relationship with each other, and decided to go on a date (not yet in this chapter). Interestingly, Kuroneko showed him her vision of a complete reconcilement between him and Kirino, though apparently, Kyousuke was too thick-headed to understand.


Highlights (since I didn’t verify everything again, they are approximations based on my memory):

Kyousuke and Mikagami walking to Kyousuke’s school:
Kyou: Hey, I just got a girlfriend.
Mika: Congrats.
Kyou: So I want to ask you for some advice regarding girlfriend matters.
Mika: Hope I can be of help.
Kyou: When is it ok for me to touch her boobs?
Mika (shocked): Cough cough, I don’t know. Let me check with Misaki-san.
…
Mika: According to her, you can touch them right away.
Kyou: Do you trust Misaki-san’s views?
Mika: For a certain eroge, this will result in the police getting called in.
Kyou: (It’s better to trust the eroge more than Misaki-san)
…

On reaching the clubroom:
(As Kyousuke let Mikagami in...)
Sena: THAT MAN IS KOUSAKA SENPAI’S BOYFRIEND RIGHT!
…
(Sena held her specs frame with one hand and close the other eye.)
Sena: Pipipipipi! Handsomeness points... 7000... 8000... this can’t be real! It’s still rising...!”
…
(more BL antics + manzai between the group)
…
(Kuroneko walks in. Greetings + Dialogue. Silent eye communication between Kyousuke and Kuroneko)
…
Sena: Even though Kousaka-senpai already has a girlfriend, you still sexually harass me. (this is not really true, it was just based on some stuff Kyousuke said earlier, though Sena is more of a sexual harassment than anyone else.)
Kyou: What did you say?
Sena: As I was saying, even though you already have a girlfriend, you still sexually harass me.
Kyou: Did I tell you that I already got a girlfriend?
Sena: Huh? What are you talking about? We’ve realized long ago that Kousaka-senpai is going out with Gokou-san.
Kyou: We just started going out yesterday.

“”UWEHH--- !?””

Mika: Kyousuke-kun, aren’t you going out with your sister!?
…
Kyou: Mikagami.... you sis-moe hentai ero-brains! Could it be that you were thinking that I was troubled about when I can touch my little sis’s boobs earlier!? I’m going to kill you!”
…
(More exchanges)
(The group left for Makabe’s house, leaving Kyousuke and Kuroneko in the clubroom)
…
Kyou: Kuroneko?
...
KN: You want to touch them?
…
Kyou: Erm, yeah.
…
KN: … I see.
KN: It’s not like I’m angry.
Kyou: Eh?
KN: Since I also.
…
Kyou: You also want to touch my chest?
KN: Go to hell! (“drop down to hell!” actually, 地獄に堕ちなさい)
…
(More exchanges. Kuroneko then talked about how she could not sleep as well, and kept thinking about the things she want to do with him as a couple. She then whipped out a black book that looks like a death note. The book title is “Destiny Record”. Well, actually, it’s a notebook in which she was scribbling and drawing ideas and thoughts on what she wants to do with Kyousuke. And all through the night, she managed to fill up the whole book. Kyousuke then said that he also wanted to do the things with her (even though he doesn’t know what is written in it). She then showed a page that says, ‘’I want to go on a date with Senpai”. And he agreed. Then he asked what was written behind that page. And then she showed him an illustration (it was the wrong one initially, but nevermind that ^_^))
…
(Despite the fact that this book is about “The things Kuroneko wanted to do with Kyousuke”, on that page, it was a picture of a rosy scenery in which the more adult-versions of Kyousuke and Kirino are having breakfast and laughing happily together. And it was entitled “The Ideal World”)
...
KN: … this is my wish. Even if I have to bet everything on it, this is the Arcadia that I desire.
Kyou: What do you mean?
KN: You don’t get it?
Kyou: Totally.
KN: … I see. Then, it means that my road is still a long one.
…
Kyou: Even though I don’t get it. But whatever it is, as long as it’s within my means, I’ll do it.
Kyou: (Anything to fulfill the wishes of my cute girlfriend.)
Kyou: Since I’m your boyfriend after all.

End Chapter 2

[zeko]

thanks again

Originally Posted by larethian

If what you say occurs, it means I got trolled for the past 7 volumes, and I'll burn the books (well not really, I'll give them away probably). Though after having read 2 chapters in volume 8, I can still see that this is not going to happen.

there is an american comic called "Amazons Attack". the fans were so offended by how wonder women was treated to the point that some of them sent it back in the mail to the company.

Spoiler:

Kyou: When is it ok for me to touch her boobs?

your smooth with the ladies

Spoiler:

KN: … I see.
KN: It’s not like I’m angry.

dang, usually that gets me slapped........ and a few restraining orders.

Spoiler:

Kyou: You also want to touch my chest?
KN: Go to hell!

kyousuke, your chest is neither busty or firm

[Maugomale]

Spoiler:

Despite the fact that this book is about “The things Kuroneko wanted to do with Kyousuke”, on that page, it was a picture of a rosy scenery in which the more adult-versions of Kyousuke and Kirino are having breakfast and laughing happily together. And it was entitled “The Ideal World”

Hmm... that's very interesting. Seems even Kuroneko wants the siblings together. Me likey!

Also, I want to slap some sense into Kyousuke for being such a horndog...