2010-05-20, 10:42 | Link #61 | |
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Understand the way hardware works before saying this and that.
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2010-05-20, 14:21 | Link #62 | |
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2. If you want to prove something, use facts (not opinions or by acting like an esper). In this case, bring up the specs and prove to everyone the Wii has the same specs as the GC and PS2 3. You have my condolences if you suffer when you see "bad graphics". Plenty of old games that are great without oh-my-god pretty graphics, but you can't even enjoy those after all... 4. THIS.
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2010-05-21, 03:06 | Link #64 | |
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Maybe get a proper TV or scaler. But honestly 720p/1080p or 480p, i don't think the resolution makes a game look bad or good. Besides most HDTV do a lot of filtering, making things you see onscreen unnatrual in the first place, i.e oversharpen images, unnatrual colours, etc. |
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2010-05-21, 06:37 | Link #65 |
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Your friend is probably using standard 480i AV cables, making the images extremely ugly on an HDTV. If he forked out the 20 bucks for component cables, it'd display much cleaner in comparison.
There's some pretty good upscalers out there. I remember seeing an image comparison for Monster Hunter. It had 3 of the same image but in different cables.
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So yes, while resolution by themselves don't make games look bad or good, there's a limitation on how good a game can look at lower resolutions.
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2010-05-21, 08:22 | Link #67 |
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I don't download higher res anime and I refuse to pay 10 dollars extra for a blue-ray disc.
If your friend is using the "same kind of cables" as a DVD player than it's the standard AV output, which means sucky resolution. Next time you should take a look yourself. It's standard If you see the Yellow, White and Red, ( you can tell if it's the stock cable if it's the gray cords ) So far all the third party cables I've seen (and what I have) are black cables. Component cables will have Blue and Green channels in addition to the red, yellow and white. Anyway, at the end of the day it all depends on the developer on how well they understand the hardware. Some are able to put out great looking games, some don't. Considering the size of XenoBlade, opting for lower quality characters in return for a smoother game and larger world is a trade-off. Sometimes this route needs to be taken.
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2010-05-21, 08:50 | Link #68 |
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Yes you need component cables to use a Wii on a HD tv period, shit looks awful without it. My TvC experience went like this..
Went to shop to buy TvC Saw how horrible it looked, turned that shit off and went to buy component cables Looked much better, started playing, Gamecube dpad sucks ass, nearly as bad as the 360 dpad. Went to shop to buy classic controller. Considering how crap online is I probably should've gone back to get an ethernet adapter or whatever, but like that makes a difference when 99% of Wii users are on wireless. When SFIV drops from 720p to 580 it's noticeable for me on my Pana plasma. FFXIII looks noticeably better on my ps3 and likewise with Red Dead Redemption for the 360. |
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If you want to be picky about your Wii experience, you buy a VGA cable for your Wii and use it to connect it to a CRT monitor. Quote:
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2010-05-21, 19:36 | Link #72 | |
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@Hayashi
I looked at it again, and what I wrote was right. He was using component cables (5 cables total, 3 being video, no?) to connect to a box thingie (he called it an upscaler... was it the gizmo you've talked about before?), which connects to his HDTV. It also has multiple input connections, as he has his DVD player connecting to it (3 cables, only 1 being video), and he can switch it from DVD to Wii, depending on which one he wants to use. @Benoit Well, he's also a hardcore Zelda fan, and only bought the Wii in hopes of playing one. Still no luck there though, and I tease him occasionally that he spent money for nothing LOL. Still, he says it's still worth the money since he gets to play exclusives like Brawl, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Mario Kart, that one Tales game whose name I can't remember (seriously, they have too many to memorize), Fire Emblem, etc. In any case, he'll take what he can get, and try to make the best out of it. That's why he spent good money to get these gizmos. Hayashi said that the gizmo is 80 bucks... my friend says he bought his for like 400 bucks, but granted, that was a few years ago. It might have very dropped to 80 by now, considering how technology drops in price as the years goes along. Still think it's a waste of money (that 400 could've gone to a PS3, the only system he doesn't own for example), since it's still quite obvious that you're still playing a 480p game. He himself doesn't think so, as he's just getting ready his Wii to be the best it can be once the new Zelda is coming out. (It is coming out, right?) Quote:
"Wii is just pretty much a repackaged Gamecube. And Gamecube games, while it did look better, was not a distinct 'upgrade' when compared to the PS2." Only an idiot would take 'repackaged Gamecube' to meaning 'more or less specs as Gamecube', when all I talked about before and after that quote was about the graphics period. Seriously, if there's one thing I've learned from video card shopping, its that its not the specific specs that matter, but what the end result looks and play like. Like how the Radeon HD 4870 looks like it can beat the 8800 GT on paper, but still falls a bit short of it both on quality and FPS. (Thank God ATI now has their act together and their 5870 now smokes every singe-card option Nvidia has to offer, so now we have actual competition to drive prices down, but that's neither here nor there.) Similarly, I could care less if Wii is 1.5x, 2x, or 3x stronger than the GC. It still looks more or less the same as the GC on HDTVs, hi-tech gizmos or whatnot. As such, I'm really not hoping/expecting graphics in Xenoblade to be leaps and bounds better than what has been shown for games in GC/PS2/XBox. I would STILL buy it though, and the Wii, once it comes to it. That's just how strong my shipping tendencies are lol.
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You just keep saying that. Maybe it will come true one day. As of present day, what you said most certainly could be taken that way. AND, you were definitely talking about the specs when you began talking about how powerful it was visually. Quote:
In other words, it isn't Nintendo's/Wii's problem, but yours for playing it on that HDTV. Quote:
...Oh! Good comparison, if I do say so myself. Need to memo this down in case I encounter someone like this again... PS: Umm?! Come to think of it, the thread has been going off-topic from Xenoblade... *cough* Now then, back to talking about Xenoblade for me.
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2010-05-22, 03:58 | Link #74 | |
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Massive update in some sections, i.e. System, trailers, on the Official HP.
Looks like putting some equipment on will affect the looks of the characters. Quote:
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A VGA cable only costs 40 bucks (always has, as far as I know). You can get a CRT monitor for free as people can't get rid of them. Quote:
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2010-05-26, 15:43 | Link #76 |
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New PV is on on the official hp, showing some in game battles and how equipment changes the look of the characters. Surprisingly it looks like the framerate is quite solid.
Over on andriasang, there is great description about the recently disclosed feature of this game/title. Last edited by Sides; 2010-05-27 at 11:57. |
2010-06-02, 06:22 | Link #79 |
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Man pretty awesome that Yoko Shimomura is the main composer for this... Kingdom Hearts BBS already out this year with Xenoblade, Last Ranker, The 3rd Birthday and maybe FFXIII Versus to come.. busy girl.
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2010-06-02, 20:46 | Link #80 |
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Trailer 4: The Abyss. The trailer's low quality, though.
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