(L) Ghost in the Shell ARISE

[monir]

Originally Posted by SQA

Motoko is only 5-6 years old?

You know, your comment got stuck in my head, and so I re-watched the episode. Based on what we've got here and other TV series, it's hard imagine a human brain can develop to this extent in complexity as such is Motoko. Human brain takes its time to evolve. The average human brain takes about 22-24 years to fully develop. I don't know how much advancement in technology the GitS universe made and the kind of effect such technology has on the brain, but the process to develop the brain still should be a slow one. Even though Motoko is fairly unique in the general setting of this show, I still think she is much older than 5-6 years.

[ttdestroy]

Originally Posted by monir

You know, your comment got stuck in my head, and so I re-watched the episode. Based on what we've got here and other TV series, it's hard imagine a human brain can develop to this extent in complexity as such is Motoko. Human brain takes its time to evolve. The average human brain takes about 22-24 years to fully develop. I don't know how much advancement in technology the GitS universe made and the kind of effect such technology has on the brain, but the process to develop the brain still should be a slow one. Even though Motoko is fairly unique in the general setting of this show, I still think she is much older than 5-6 years.

I think she's young, just not that young. Maybe at least 14 yo, but I'm thinking more 18-19. As for the whole cybrain issue, it seems like wiping it or trying to dismantle a brain would be a colossal waste of time seeing as in the future if you needed to you could potentially retrieve info from the brain.

Man was anyone else just loving Logicom, I hope it has a larger role in the next episode.

[SQA]

Originally Posted by monir

You know, your comment got stuck in my head, and so I re-watched the episode. Based on what we've got here and other TV series, it's hard imagine a human brain can develop to this extent in complexity as such is Motoko. Human brain takes its time to evolve. The average human brain takes about 22-24 years to fully develop. I don't know how much advancement in technology the GitS universe made and the kind of effect such technology has on the brain, but the process to develop the brain still should be a slow one. Even though Motoko is fairly unique in the general setting of this show, I still think she is much older than 5-6 years.

Well, the age suggestion was a way of harmonizing information we have, given a lot of it was actually "fake" knowledge.

I do feel she's probably a good bit older than that, but it would have been a rather interesting way of going. She, obviously, doesn't act like a young child.

[creb]

Maybe it's the translation I watched, but I don't recall anything that suggests she's only 5-6 years old. That said, one of the themes of the first Ghost in the Shell movie played with her struggle with a sense of self, ie: whether she was actually human, or an artificial intelligence programmed to think she was human.

I suppose the philosophical question of whether you can program someone to simulate "growth" that a normal person takes years to develop, is entirely possible in the realm of Ghost in the Shell, if this iteration of Motoko is in fact really only 5-6 years old.

I'd believe it a lot more though if she was tied to the military, rather than being allowed to leave and live her own life, as one would imagine if she really did have 20+ years of life simulated in 5 actual years, she'd still hold too much value as a test subject to be let go (never mind the legal pickles).

[ReddyRedWolf]

Its a nice murder mystery as different individuals of what would be Motoko's team gather.

This reminds me of the twist and turns in a murder investigation in Guatemala where a "whistle blower" dies.

Who dun it. Who would benefit the most and enemies are suspects.

Interesting observation on Motoko's mental age, her actual age is a mystery.

She liked her mentor like a daughter would. The super ego is tough young woman but inside is a little girl hence writing with a red coloring pen he is innocent.

The Logicoma sounds too much like a high school girl in a SOL anime to me. I miss the Tachikoma voice.

[Yu Ominae]

Read the new chapter. And it links up to the first movie.

[killer3000ad]

Trailer for the next one.

YouTube

https://youtu.be/MINUXgx3-1Y

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[Vito]

Web episode / promotion

Wallpapers: http://kokaku-jprs.jp/reward.html

[Vito]

Well the damn thing checks cookies, you can find the answers after you reach the result page (they are in the page source). Here's a bonus from twitter:

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[kuromitsu]

Why, why didn't they make Motoko's hair this shade of blue/purple in the actual show? It looks so much better.

[Dop]

Opening of episode 2, with English subtitles (turn on captions).
Nice. I'm really hoping this show will get a UK Blu-Ray release some time!

[kuromitsu]

Ep 2: it wasn't bad at all, but I expected a lot more than what I eventually got.

Spoiler for ep 2:

Mostly wrt characters and story, that is. There was a lot more action here than what I remember from ep 1, but it felt like they were trying too hard both with the amount and the presentation. Conspicious CGI ftw(?). Also, the story was sort of... lacking. It wasn't bad, but there was so much more they could've done with it, I mean, this story could've been done in 20 minutes, they could've at least used character backgrounds and stuff to pad it out instead of all that slow-mo.

For an episode that is about the formation of such a legendary team, the ep was very light on actual characterization... I guess I should be grateful that we got a minimal background on Saitou (seriously, SAC had more) and that Paz did anything at all. Poor Borma was ignored again and we didn't get to know anything about Ishikawa except that he's good at hand-to-hand combat as well as hacking. Batou's motivation for joining was very nicely done, but he was basically driving a truck throughout most of the episode and his fight with Motoko was really cool - for the single minute it lasted. The prison scene was good, though, and I expect to see some bonding between him and the Major in the coming episodes.

I didn't expect the random Puppetmaster-ish twist at the end, I wonder if that's going to be an overarching plot.

By the way, I liked how some mechs and other designs were closer to the manga than in the other anime incarnations, especially Soga and his armor. And the Logikoma was as adorable as the other -komas before.

I continue to be very much unimpressed with the music, then again Cornelius was never my cup of tea.

All in all, I enjoyed the episode and will probably watch it again later, but I wish the story had more "meat". You can't distract me with shiny animation and slow-mo!

[Kanon]

Spoiler for episode 2:

Like kuromitsu, I was expecting more than what we got but it was a good episode nonetheless. The action was great and the plot was fine (although I was a little bothered they used the same plot device as last time: memories altered by a virus) even if a bit on the light side. The introduction of the puppet master is promising. I always wanted them to cover that storyline in SAC.

The creation of the team was disappointing. Motoko beats them up then asks them to join and that's that. None of the team members received any characterization in this one, with the exception of Saito and Batou, sort of. I guess they assumed we were already familiar with them. With only four episodes, there's only so much they can do anyway.

[lordblazer]

This episode was well done. I enjoyed the OST as always with anything coming from this Franchise. I can't wait until I can order it on DVD here in the US. Though I don't know of any company that is willing to take them up and netflix axed this entire series and its films for moe crap. I am looking forward to episode 3. I wonder if they will continue to use the same plot device as episode 1 & 2?

[monir]

Take my money Production I. G. Any doubt that I had left whether the story would remain the same is essentially gone after episode 2. This was very well done which continued with the GitS tradition without breaking a stride. Masamune Shirow, you can continue to draw porn. You aren't needed anymore.

The music is so good. I think I've heard the ending song for at least 6 times. I've lost count. The story was simply fantastic. Simple and told in a fashion that satisfied the scifi geek in me with a touch of mystery and detective work. Batou and Paz are truly badasses. That quick draw by Batou was just........ I love Production I. G so much for the effort they put in to animate simple movement. Thank you sincerely. I haven't been this high watching an anime episode since, well since Annie from Attack on Titan exploded.

Lastly, just ordered the collector's edition from Rightstuf for episode 1.

[kuromitsu]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Spoiler for episode 2:

(although I was a little bothered they used the same plot device as last time: memories altered by a virus)

That bothered me, too - I hope they'll do something new in episode 3.

[Haak]

Unless they find a different way of causing fake memories and illusions, then probably not. It looks to me like it's going to be a recurring element (I hesitate to use the word "theme" since it seems to be used more as a plot device here than in the films where it was heavily explored).

[monir]

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

That bothered me, too - I hope they'll do something new in episode 3.

It might have something to do with current Motoko's own novice state of mind to how she is slowly coming to confront and realize the concept of ghost. The current Motoko is still not adept at using all her enhancement and what she will be capable of in the future, i.e. the version of Motoko we see in GitS SAC and SAC II. The best feature for this series has always been whenever the story is trying to explore consciousness/ghost/soul etc... So this particular theme should be a recurring one considering this is when Motoko starts to come to her own as she starts to understand the deal with ghost through many of her experience.

[neshru]

Lol at the tank turning into a bipedal robot for no apparent reason. Japanese anime creators really can't do without their human-looking robots, can they?

[kuromitsu]

Originally Posted by Haak

Unless they find a different way of causing fake memories and illusions, then probably not. It looks to me like it's going to be a recurring element (I hesitate to use the word "theme" since it seems to be used more as a plot device here than in the films where it was heavily explored).

No, I mean the plot template in both ep 1 and 2. People believe stuff that's not true because their brain has been hacked for a nefarious purpose - sure, it's a nice idea, but this is such a GITS staple by now, and while it was at least interesting and somewhat complex in ep 1 (not in the least thanks to the focus character herself being a victim), in this episode it was really simple and one could see it coming from miles away once Motoko connected to Soga. It pretty much felt like the writers were just phoning it in. The only good thing about it was the way it added a little bit to Batou's character, but frankly it wasn't enough.

So I hope that in the next episode they'll have a different type of story, preferrably one that doesn't involve memory manipulation.