X-Men: Apocalypse (5/27/16)

[monster]

I really enjoyed this movie on its own, but how is humanity supposed to accept mutantkind (Is that even a word?) after that? I mean, the things that happened in the Marvel Studios movies so far paled in comparison to this.

[HasuMasu]

This movie was so rough. The CGI was overdone. The scenes were all over the place.

Damn was it a lot of fun to watch though. I can't wait to see what they'll do next.

[Tormenk]

The movie fell to its own jab at the last movie of any trilogy being the worse. My complaints are similar to what larethian pointed out though I will add that Apocalypse's action scenes and set pieces felt lacklustre even compared to Last Stand.

I did enjoy Magneto's scenes and of course Quicksilver's ridiculous showcase of his powers again. Bonus points for the music setting the mood really well.

[Kafriel]

Watched it yesterday. Mystique + Jean was a bad combo...although I don't hate either actress individually, having them together results in too much "heroine" material. Archangel is rather downplayed, Psylocke is oversold, Jubilee is a bloody extra, without a single line (and nowhere near her age)...only Magneto stands out from the actors (although Nightcrawler wasn't bad, the material he had was extremely limited).

Spoiler for Plot issues:

Performance aside, there are certain timeline issues that pop up, like how did the first movie happen, with mutant awareness being this high already? Why are Storm and Cyclops instructors in the first movie but Mystique has already gone rogue? What happened to Psylocke, Archangel and Quicksilver after all this? If signs of the Phoenix Force have already appeared, how the hell did Jean endure for 2 movies?

[Azuma Denton]

Convinience plot solver...
Previous X-Men X1, X2, X3 movies didnt happen.
All of it got changed during Days of Future Past...

[Kafriel]

No, this movie takes place before X1 and after first class, it's not a bad time slot...but the things left out create serious issues with the rest of the movies, since they are in the same continuity.

[Shinji103]

Azusa is saying that history in the X-Men continuity was changed by DoFP, and he's right. Just look at Wolverine in Apocalypse; in the original X-Men movie timeline, he was never captured by Stryker, he volunteered for the Weapon X project. Nor was he held captive originally.
The mere fact that Cyclops and Jean are alive in the new timeline at the end of DoFP shows and proves that the continuity has changed. You don't seem to be getting that. The events of X-1, X-2, and X-3, Wolverine: Origins, and The Wolverine have changed.
Whether or not they "redo" those movies to show us exactly what has changed, I don't know. But my bet is on no.

[Kafriel]

I don't know, Wolverine could have still volunteered for the project and gone berserk after the adamantine injection. I'll have to rewatch DoFP to see how many things can be altered...although it may be pointless if they do a Cable/Bishop movie. Bloody time travellers...thanks for the clarification though.

[Shinji103]

You forgot DoFP then. Stryker had Logan pulled up from the bottom of the water, and after that it's obvious that he kept Logan in custody and experimented on him.
But regardless of that, you're still not getting it anyway. The past was changed by DoFP. Scott, Jean, and Kurt let Logan out, not at all what happened in the original continuity, etc. etc. The continuity that you're saying is conflicted is not the continuity happening in the X-Men movies anymore. If you've seen the new Star Trek with Chris Pine, it's the same thing as that. Spock even explains how the events of the title have been changed and now the two continuities are parallel universes.

[Azuma Denton]

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[Tactics]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

You forgot DoFP then. Stryker had Logan pulled up from the bottom of the water, and after that it's obvious that he kept Logan in custody and experimented on him.

Stryker who pulled Logan is Mystique in disguise, you can see his eyes glowing for a second;
However its just that, later she just left him on military hand for treatment (since Logan ended up with several iron bar stabbed him) which resulted on Logan ended up on Project X unwillingly instead of volunteering himself.

[Tormenk]

I was wondering about the continuity of the movies as well until my friend pointed out since Angel died in Apocalypse, he couldn't have been the same one in Last Stand. Easy way to settle things, unless reincarnation is a thing in X-Men.

[Kafriel]

He could have just had the same powers or be a different Angel (since Marvel loves to shit on origins).

@Shinji alright, I get it now. Time to have a franchise reboot the likes of which we've never witnessed! Starting with...Channing Tatum as Gambit ._.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

Time to have a franchise reboot the likes of which we've never witnessed!

But it's already been witnessed with Star Trek and Terminator.

[Kafriel]

Star Trek was pretty good, Terminator was also above average. The X-men feel kind of...iunno, empty? You see an X number of mutants, the same old story of prejudice for/against mutants and how someone wants to weaponize their powers. It feels like the whole franchise is just riding on its name to pull through; it's not funny (although some people next to me were cracking up every time Scott said something), it's not deep, it's not really emotional, save a few moments and all it has left are the action scenes and the special effects. Granted, it's got good visuals (although camera control leaves a lot to be desired) and that's great for a standalone film...but when that's all you got in 16 years, the progress that has been made so far is rather lacking.

[GDB]

That's basically the comics, though. If you break the stories down to the most basic components, you have either dealing with prejudice against mutants (this was their schtick even when they were created as social commentary) and enemies that want to use/kill them because they're mutants. The large cast is also why they constantly broke the team up into two or more groups of 4-7 core members.

The only story off the top of my head that ISN'T one of those is the Dark Phoenix Saga. And I don't expect them to do that properly in movie form anyway due to length, so it'd end up like all the others.

[sunset]

Time for some Controversy.

Rose McGowan is offended by the X-Men Apocalypse poster.

[TnAdct1]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

Azusa is saying that history in the X-Men continuity was changed by DoFP, and he's right. Just look at Wolverine in Apocalypse; in the original X-Men movie timeline, he was never captured by Stryker, he volunteered for the Weapon X project. Nor was he held captive originally.
The mere fact that Cyclops and Jean are alive in the new timeline at the end of DoFP shows and proves that the continuity has changed. You don't seem to be getting that. The events of X-1, X-2, and X-3, Wolverine: Origins, and The Wolverine have changed.

The best part about DoFP re-writing the continuity: we finally get a Deadpool that is true to the character that Marvel fans know and love (and not that Baraka wannabe that appeared in Wolverine: Origins.

[Kafriel]

Originally Posted by sunset

Time for some Controversy.

Rose McGowan is offended by the X-Men Apocalypse poster.

She obviously doesn't know that Mystique is the mutants' hero and that Apocalypse is the main villain in this movie :P

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by Tactics

Stryker who pulled Logan is Mystique in disguise, you can see his eyes glowing for a second;
However its just that, later she just left him on military hand for treatment (since Logan ended up with several iron bar stabbed him) which resulted on Logan ended up on Project X unwillingly instead of volunteering himself.

I know, I saw the eyes at the end of DoFP. Except it doesn't make sense for several reasons: why would she save Logan, and how would Logan have ended up in Stryker's custody after that? She barely ever saw Logan in the movie. And she of all people would know better than to leave a fellow mutant in government hands.