[Manga] Naruto Chapter 575 Discussion

[james0246]

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It's a new week, so that means new Naruto spoilers...which are now released....

-Madara b*tch slaps the 5 Kages.

-Sasuke runs into Itachi...

[Frenchie]

Spoiler:

Edo Madara nearly finishes off the Five Kages. Tsuchikage gets a flashback and gets to act like a big damn hero, giving everyone time to recuperate. Kabuto showcases more of Edo MadaraShodai's powers (Shodai Hokage seems to be embedded into Madara a la Danzou).

Chapter ends with Sasuke crossing paths with Itachi.

[HasuMasu]

1. Madara's forest would make Greenpeace orgasm.
2. Kabuto used Stun Spore, it's...totally forgotten...
3. SUSANOO HAS LEGS!!!???
4. Was that Muu without bandages or just the 1st Tsuchikage?
5. KAMEHAMEHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
6. Nice tits, Madara...
7. I KNEW IT!!!!!

Nice chapter.

[~Yami~]

still one-sided battle between five kages against konoha duo founder (Madara-Senjuu)

and finally Itachi met his bro again.... kick his ass, Itachi!!!!

if we have Hashirama Senjuu in this world, we won't have global warming

[Kafriel]

. Kabuto used Stun Spore, it's...totally forgotten...

They all fell to the pollen @ p.6.

This is starting to remind me of bleach, with each chapter starting and ending with the same characters (Sasuke/Itachi), and the rest of the chapter being completely focused elsewhere (Madara&Kages). Can't say I'm a fan of this, next week will be two pages of Sasuke, three pages of the kage fight and the rest will go back to Naruto vs Tobi...or Suigetsu and Juugo

[james0246]

Kishimoto seems to have either confused the timeline, or has greatly massaged the timeline, if young Oonoki can talk about the Hokage Monument (which was made around the time of Konoha's founding) and then show teenage Oonoki fighting Madara. So, Madara either rebelled years after Hashirama was chosen to be Hokage (which goes against everything we currently know) or Kishimoto messed up the timeline. (It certainly doesn't help that Konoha was the first Village, yet Iwa seems to have age-old traditions already in place...)

[Shiryuu]

Maybe Oonoki never knew Madara defected and died from Konoha.

Itachi will probably just end up saying no to Sasuke and go on his merry way.

[TimeMask]

Originally Posted by Shiryuu

Maybe Oonoki never knew Madara defected and died from Konoha.

Itachi will probably just end up saying no to Sasuke and go on his merry way.

Shisui's genjutsu ordered Itachi to protect Konoha and both Kabuto and Sasuke are a threat to Konoha so Itachi may try to attack both of them.

Or Itachi could see kabuto as a bigger threat then Sasuke and go by him but that would be disappointing for Itachi not to say anything to Sasuke.

[Shiryuu]

Shisui's genjutsu doesn't override his free will. If it did, he wouldn't be going after Kabuto and would just follow Naruto wherever he goes since he's the main goal of the war.

[TimeMask]

Originally Posted by Shiryuu

Shisui's genjutsu doesn't override his free will. If it did, he wouldn't be going after Kabuto and would just follow Naruto wherever he goes since he's the main goal of the war.

Itachi wants to protect Konoha so in a way he's doing what he wants but he may not have full control of himself.

Shisui's genjutsu was going to make Sasuke protect Konoha if it was used on him which is a example of how the genjutsu can control people and take away their free will by making them do something.

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Shiryuu

Shisui's genjutsu doesn't override his free will. If it did, he wouldn't be going after Kabuto and would just follow Naruto wherever he goes since he's the main goal of the war.

Honestly, Itachi should have done this anyway (or at least stayed hidden in the background while following Naruto). Itachi is one of the few people that could shed any light on Tobi, and while the end of Kabuto is important (especially if that is the only way to defeat Madara), ending Tobi would do just as much if not more for the war effort.

[Luminion Lancer]

Originally Posted by james0246

Kishimoto seems to have either confused the timeline, or has greatly massaged the timeline, if young Oonoki can talk about the Hokage Monument (which was made around the time of Konoha's founding) and then show teenage Oonoki fighting Madara. So, Madara either rebelled years after Hashirama was chosen to be Hokage (which goes against everything we currently know) or Kishimoto messed up the timeline. (It certainly doesn't help that Konoha was the first Village, yet Iwa seems to have age-old traditions already in place...)

-Bear in mind, the person who told us the facts about Madara's past is in fact "NotReallyMadara", a guy who is likely mixing truth and lies together. For all we know, it could have taken Madara years before he decided to send Kurama at the village, rather than it being an instant.

-As for Iwa's age old traditions, think about how each village is formed. They're formed from different clans joining under one "alliance". Is it not possible that some of the individual clans' traditions carried over to the village?

[Frenchie]

Originally Posted by james0246

Kishimoto seems to have either confused the timeline, or has greatly massaged the timeline, if young Oonoki can talk about the Hokage Monument (which was made around the time of Konoha's founding)

Do we know this? I might have missed it, but that's not the impression I got from reading about the founding of Konoha.

and then show teenage Oonoki fighting Madara. So, Madara either rebelled years after Hashirama was chosen to be Hokage (which goes against everything we currently know) or Kishimoto messed up the timeline. (It certainly doesn't help that Konoha was the first Village, yet Iwa seems to have age-old traditions already in place...)

Meh, the messing of the timeline dates back to the Kage Meeting where Oonoki was said to be the only one left that had fought the man. If that fight is known, it must have had a fairly high profile. Their early kid years probably would not have carried that kind of significance, which probably means that Kishi had to make them young adults.

So yeah, it does sound like he wrote himself into a corner.

[Shiryuu]

Originally Posted by TimeMask

Itachi wants to protect Konoha so in a way he's doing what he wants but he may not have full control of himself.

Shisui's genjutsu was going to make Sasuke protect Konoha if it was used on him which is a example of how the genjutsu can control people and take away their free will by making them do something.

Then what would have been the point of incinerating the crow? Naruto could've used it later on if he ended up failing this time around. By doing that, he did the complete opposite of protecting Konoha.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by james0246

Kishimoto seems to have either confused the timeline, or has greatly massaged the timeline, if young Oonoki can talk about the Hokage Monument (which was made around the time of Konoha's founding) and then show teenage Oonoki fighting Madara. So, Madara either rebelled years after Hashirama was chosen to be Hokage (which goes against everything we currently know) or Kishimoto messed up the timeline. (It certainly doesn't help that Konoha was the first Village, yet Iwa seems to have age-old traditions already in place...)

Oonoki is going senile and can't remember his own memories properly. Where's my No-Prize?

[Haak]

Originally Posted by james0246

Kishimoto seems to have either confused the timeline, or has greatly massaged the timeline, if young Oonoki can talk about the Hokage Monument (which was made around the time of Konoha's founding) and then show teenage Oonoki fighting Madara. So, Madara either rebelled years after Hashirama was chosen to be Hokage (which goes against everything we currently know) or Kishimoto messed up the timeline. (It certainly doesn't help that Konoha was the first Village, yet Iwa seems to have age-old traditions already in place...)

Wait what? We already know that one of the reasons that Madara rebelled is because Hashirama was chosen as the first Hokage and that Madara first tried to get the support of his clan to rebel. We were even given two panels which apparently show Madara looking at Hashirama's mountain face before rebelling.
(Chapter 399 Page 9)

[MysticNinjaJay]

This chapter seemed to be nothing more than a build up for Itachi's showdown with Kabuto.

Madara is clearly too strong for the 5 Kage now that he has the 1st Hokage's powers so Itachi must cancel Edo Tensei. I wonder what Sasuke will have to say to his undead brother. Sasuke is a bit out of the loop here. He just found out about the war but doesn't know about the Edo Tensei army so seeing Itachi again is clearly a shock to him.

[HayashiTakara]

Boring Chapter........ NEXT PLEASE!

[Kafriel]

Do we know this? I might have missed it, but that's not the impression I got from reading about the founding of Konoha.

Konoha was the first village that was founded and others followed that example. As its founder, Hashirama was the first hokage. Madara rebelled after the village system had set in, but since he died/disappeared after the VotE fight, Oonoki couldn't have fought him after that...and these two fighting any time before would suggest, as James said, that Madara's insurrection took place many years after the establishment of Konoha.

[ChronoReverse]

I always thought that Madara did rebel after the establishment of Konoha? Did I get the wrong impression somewhere?