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In my opinion, if you borrow the name of a franchise, it must be exactly clear that it's a part of it. I have no reason to believe that anything I've seen from this show so far benefited from this being a sequel to Eureka 7. It easily could have been changed around to be an entirely new mecha property, and honestly I might be enjoying it more in that case. Quote:
Of course it's what I believe. You can believe differently. To me though I think it's a disservice to fans to do so. Again, why call this Eureka 7? Like I said I'm being patient, but a theory based upon dialogue from the last episode of Eureka 7 plus a basic implication that Eureka is Ao's mother hardly draws the type of direct connection between the series as I was talking about. When you watched the original mobile suit Gundam and then got to Zeta Gundam (Which was an even better show!), you had characters like Bright and Char in the very first episode. The world was certainly different, and the political organization of everything was different, but it was still easily verifiable as a UC gundam timeline series. As the series went on, we learned about how they got there and what was happening, and what people wanted to do. We got to see older characters still having an impact on the show, not suddenly disappearing, and all the old ideas of the previous show didn't suddenly evaporate. Yet it was still different enough so that it wasn't a stale product by any stretch of the imagination. To me that was a shining example of how a sequel should be. Eureka 7 Ao on the other hand does not exemplify any of these qualities at the moment. I still think the first 3 episodes were very good, but particularly when Truth started showing up the show started to go very downhill. Yes asking fans to remember a line of dialogue from the last episode of Eureka 7 which aired several years ago and to make a theory on how they got here isn't vague. Plus this isn't official by any means and we still have to learn more why the world is what it is. Besides the Nirvash (Which hardly feels like the Nirvash) and mentions of Eureka as the blue haired woman, this series literally has nothing to go off of as being a real sequel. Sorry, I don't find this correct and it does hamper my enjoyment as what I feel I been watching feels extremely different from Eureka 7 in the first place. Again, why not have made a new mecha property and not another Eureka 7? -------- EDIT: Anyways if you want to continue this conversation best we save it for VM/PM like CrowKenobi suggested. I don't have a problem discussing differing viewpoints, just please relent on the personal attacks.
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2012-06-09, 19:43 | Link #1222 |
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I wonder if this is how the 21 Jump Street fans felt when they saw the movie? Or what the Fate/Stay Night fans felt when they saw Fate/Zero...oh wait.
But in all honesty, while it's true that the sequel is different from the first series, it isn't THAT different. I can still tell it's by the same people, even if the writer is different. It still has the complex themes, the grand scope, the fluid animation, and the flawed characters of the first series. It just has some added camp value and takes itself less seriously, that's all. Edit: Recently wrote a post on my new anime blog to address this series' new tone. I hope you guys check it out when you have the time, although I expect to get bashed for not being taken in by the awesomeness of the first series.
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2012-06-09, 23:08 | Link #1223 | ||
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As weird as hell as this is to hear.... Hadena's isn't bad actually... *runs away before I get hatemail*
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2012-06-10, 01:49 | Link #1225 | |
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Spoiler for Scub Coral liing to another universe:
AO universe would the universe that Gonzy talked about. Scub Coral are not assimilating everything like they did in the previous universe. Questions are: What are Secrets? Why are they destroying Scub Coral? Who is Truth? Why is he saying this is an incorrect world? How did Eureka end up in this universe? Where is Renton and the original Nirvash? The rest is weekly world building. We get a familiar world to our own yet different world. E7 was revealed to be set on Earth 10,000 after exodus of humanity which resettled Earth. Here Scub Bursts and Secrets are treated as natural disasters which are treated as economic opportunities. |
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2012-06-10, 03:45 | Link #1228 | |
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Which means somebody has been planting Quartz for Scub arrival. It wouldn't surprise me if there are humanoid Coralians in the background like Gonzy. If quartz do serve as beacon it would be also why Secret are homing in. So far Secrets have been acting as antibodies against foreign intruders. Destroying the Scub in a big nuclear explosion. We saw what happened to Tokyo. I have a feeling the Coralians are working with Generation Bleu to minimize the collateral damage. |
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2012-06-10, 05:10 | Link #1229 | ||||
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Having watched and enjoyed this show for nine weeks straight, I can say that I think what Reckoner said strikes me as being perfectly reasonable, even though I disagree on the specifies of the points he brings up.
For myself, I was sold on the show from the introductory episodes. It managed to hit all the right notes with me, not just as a stand alone series but as what I felt was a spiritual successor to E7. The animation was excellent, the fights were fun to watch, the characters and their VA were likable and matched well IMO, the music was good etc. but more than that, I felt that I was watching E7. It managed to capture the same feeling the first series had, and even now I can still sense the same vibe from the older show in the backdrop of this one. Maybe it's the hints we had been getting, but when it comes to those I'm having more fun trying to casually figure out what is going on (only to have it all be revealed near the end and for me to be mostly wrong ), so I'd like to think that there is a quality that is distinctly E7 included in this anime. Of course, none of this is tangible. These are all feelings, hints and general aesthetics that sell me on the show and for me at least, enough to place my faith that I'm going to get something good out of AO by the end of the 24th episode. Which is exactly why I can empathize with Reckoner here. He is simply asking ''what exactly am I looking at?''. He wants to understand and know exactly what is this show going to do, and how does it relate to the older anime that he loved. I get that since again, this is a time investment into an anime that may or may not turn out to be related to the older E7 in a concrete way. I get the core of his position, and to be honest, I think that had I not been loving this show so much right now, I would be agreeing with him mostly. Of course, I had accepted that no answers will be given at this time. It's like the older show where the answers were presented only at the finale. Or at least, That's what I think it going to happen here, since again, I have no way of actually knowing how will the series will unfold. I can only place my faith in that it does so in a satisfying manner. Quote:
I do agree that compared to the older anime, AO lacks the same amount of diverse cast members, however I don't think that is a bad thing when the show has less time compared to the older anime, so I would think that having a lesser amount would be better to help focus on the more core characters. Also, I don't really think it matters much if the cast is made out of adults or out of children, I mean look at a show like Dennou Coil. What was impressive about Holland and Tahlo was their past history and inner demons, motivations for what they did and do in the series, the development they received and how much they changed and grow (yes, grow) to be better people thanks to it (the scene where Holland starts to cry gets me every time), and most importantly, they had their moments where they had shown exactly how great they were. Being adults, I think, doesn't really factor much into it other than it helps with making them have a history together. So far with AO I've felt that the stories presented were pretty good, but I don't think it's fair to compare them to the older anime when this show didn't get around to showing us exactly how will these plot lines will conclude. Ao's and Fleur's stories so far are the ones I'm most involved in, but I can't really compare them when they had just started. Quote:
For me, I find Ao a lot more likable than Renton, and I generally liked Renton. I never got the feeling like he was hard to understand, on the contrary, I think that he wears his emotions on his sleeve and is easy to figure out (and see that he is a good kid). I don't know, but I've always felt the raw emotion in this anime, and even now I can still feel it. Quote:
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2012-06-10, 05:48 | Link #1230 | ||
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Ao hates his father he never knew for reasons he made up for himself. Ao doesn't really care much about Naru, or doesn't even bother to show it. "I'll take Nirvash and save you wherever you ar--- oh guess not. Oh well. Let's swag, Fleur." I understand what's supposed to be happening, but it's shown so briefly and torn up it comes across as if Ao just really is indifferent. I can't say I like him anymore. |
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2012-06-10, 08:21 | Link #1231 | |
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2012-06-10, 08:32 | Link #1232 | |
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2012-06-10, 10:05 | Link #1233 | ||
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How is it shallow or contradicting? He knows Naru's been captured but he really can't do anything about it since he doesn't know the first place to even start looking and there's also the fact that GB is monitoring him. The fact that he was eager to train means he's what's to be prepared for the next encounter with Truth so he can rescue her. Also when are you gonna get it through your head that Ao's problems is not the same as Renton's |
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2012-06-10, 10:10 | Link #1234 | |||
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2012-06-10, 10:12 | Link #1235 | |
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Also, the 3 stooges surmised that the quartz were being collected and hidden inside GenBleu, implying that whoever's planting them isn't working with GB. If there's someone planting them. My understanding was that the Quartz was central to the coral's metabolism ("The Scub coral has begun producing harmful particles"), and removing that calms it down. Its not the power source, as the coral itself is producing trapar that is being mined. Maybe its some kind of coordination node for the entire coral, and removing it just puts the whole structure into standby. At least that was my theory. ~~~ I'd prefer to see the Scub Coral as Tiberium. Someone is dropping those things from another plane, and its terraforming the planet slowly. Extracting the Quartz stops them from rapidly growing and doing so, creating a vibrant economy for the planet. I swear, someday, the President's going to bait someone into dropping a nuke on (an already evacuated) GenBleu HQ, igniting all of the stored Quartz at once, and sending a gigantic plume of energy into deep space. This serves as the cue to invite the full and complete invasion arrival of the Scub Coral. Truth is the immortal prophet who will shed light on this scheme!
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2012-06-10, 10:57 | Link #1236 | |||
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Actually it would. What's hilarious is that you seem to dismiss the fact that Ao is just a kid
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The whole point of Fleur asking him why did he come to GB to do, she wanted to see that he wasn't expecting them to fall over for him and follow his own agenda. Another is Bruno's last warning to Ao about thinking over his decision in joining the organization because it'll make the people around him sad. This correlating with his revelation in episode 6 as to what he's expected to do and why Pied Piper needs him. Not that hard to figure out |
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I like Ao in this show, and Fleur so far has been OK, but that's where hte majority of the development has been and nowhere else. Considering Ao has started becoming very static, at least in comparison to the gradual evolution of Renton throughout E7, I question what they were doing with their time. Well one explanation would be that they are focusing more on plot lines and setting developments, but both because I find this setting a bit bland in comparison and I'm not invested in many of the characters I find it hard to really enjoy what I am seeing. Quote:
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Why isn't it? I'm not terribly into the characters for one thing. I hated team Goldilocks and what they brought into the show. The Truth was an even more mind boggling introduction into the show. Just a really weird character who feels so different from what I recognize as E7 that I'm kinda left scratching my head since I don't really have any faith that he will be bringing anything good to the show (You may feel differently this is just a feeling afterall). Furthermore, the G monsters all look the same, don't talk, and are relatively just uninspiring in their abilities. The action and tension as a result is just not that great to me. It's neither fun like the middle portions of NGE episodes, nor gritty and intense like other NGE episodes (to compare to another MotW show). Well really this just opinions. I'm still holding out here. I am not terribly insulted by this show or anything, just disappointed. Last Exile Fam was an insulting show though...
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It's not as absurd as you think, maybe it's only because you haven't experienced it personally(which I hope you will never do because I know I wouldn't want that happen to me or my close family member). My only qualm with the setting is only one. How the hell Ao confide his feeling about his father to Gazelle, one of te people bullying him. It would be much more understandable if the relevation comes from Naru who Ao's close with, but it just doesn't make sense for Gazelle to know about senstive information like this. |
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2012-06-10, 20:53 | Link #1239 | |
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And also, I've seen people complain that the old E7 characters aren't in this show and what happened to Renton, and whatnot. I also don't care. There story is over as far as I'm concerned. I don't need to see them again. Besides, while I never disliked them, they didn't do much for me.
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