SAO Alternative - Gun Gale Online - Episode 8 Discussion / Poll

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Because, when you come down to it, all Memento Mori's said is that Pitohui doesn't take the game as seriously as he does. Which, when you think about it, makes it sound like she's saner than he is. GGO is just a game, not a matter of life and death. Pito's clearly more into having fun than into RPing and bleak "realism". Does that make her a bit of a troll? Maybe. But honestly, by the tea bagging Leeroy Jenkins standards of our world, I'm not sure she actually qualifies.

Seriously, some Edgelord tells you a girl is crazy for not caring about dying in an FPS, which one would you normally think's actually crazy, if you had to pick one?

He didn't say she was crazy for "not caring about dying". He said she was crazy for glorying in death on all sides without any care at all for anything else, for the way she'd joyously kill the enemies and her comrades together, act reckless and pretty much go wild in the most unmanageable and creepy way. This isn't a "girl who doesn't care about dying", this is a girl who doesn't care about living. Basically the picture is that of a girl who enjoys death and seeks to maximize it, whether it's the death of monsters or opponents or allies or herself. And again, bear in mind that she's gone through so many parties that no one will take her anymore. If she was just a troll or a berserker who wanted to kill lots of people, I doubt she would've been absolutely shunned. For that matter, I'd turn your words right back around: this is a guy who's been playing GGO for a long time. Regardless of how nicely he puts it, do you really think he'd call her dangerous and crazy and all he said just because she treats it a little more like a game and shrugs death off? We have no reason to think he's crazy, so instead that suggests to me that what he saw went far beyond that sort of "just a game" standard you suggest.

[alex_drian]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Because, when you come down to it, all Memento Mori's said is that Pitohui doesn't take the game as seriously as he does. Which, when you think about it, makes it sound like she's saner than he is. GGO is just a game, not a matter of life and death. Pito's clearly more into having fun than into RPing and bleak "realism". Does that make her a bit of a troll? Maybe. But honestly, by the tea bagging Leeroy Jenkins standards of our world, I'm not sure she actually qualifies.

Seriously, some Edgelord tells you a girl is crazy for not caring about dying in an FPS, which one would you normally think's actually crazy, if you had to pick one?

Geez, we can't just have fun normally like the Machine guns team?

[zeross87]

Again and again, all your conversation being put off-context and you could be very well talking about a random irl teen that have spent too much time on LoL/Wow/whatever.

it's pretty common to see people go "i'll 1v5 them i don't care if i die i'll kill them all and i don't care if my team die during the process too" then go fight and go "lolXD" when they die.

i don't really see the difference between those everyday gamer life and the comportment of pito as described by momento guy.

[eiyuuou]

Originally Posted by Requiem-x

Llenn and Fuka bring down the pain! Sure, it was to a bunch of jobbers, but hey, gotta show they have what it takes somehow, and seeing the little rabbit knife someone's crotch, amongst other shows of badassery, sure is a fun way to do so. Props for the small talk remaining fun, specially llenn's comment about how wiretraps got her nervous in real life.




I really want to see a group of people try something like that in an actual game.

you can use Sword Barrier in fatal bullet.
you need get it from the originator though.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by zeross87

Again and again, all your conversation being put off-context and you could be very well talking about a random irl teen that have spent too much time on LoL/Wow/whatever.

it's pretty common to see people go "i'll 1v5 them i don't care if i die i'll kill them all and i don't care if my team die during the process too" then go fight and go "lolXD" when they die.

i don't really see the difference between those everyday gamer life and the comportment of pito as described by momento guy.

It seems to me that you're grasping at straws. The author clearly included that segment to give us a view of Pito's personality from the perspective of a disinterested party, and the information we got from it matches the information given us by the interested party. It is blatantly intended to confirm the information M gave us. It is not intended to for us to go "Nah, obviously these guys are the crazy ones: this girl's perfectly normal." I get that some folks don't like the idea of this becoming a death game. I'm not fond of it myself. However, that is plainly what has happened, and attempting to dismiss the information we've received from two different sources screams of desperate denial.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

He didn't say she was crazy for "not caring about dying". He said she was crazy for glorying in death on all sides without any care at all for anything else, for the way she'd joyously kill the enemies and her comrades together, act reckless and pretty much go wild in the most unmanageable and creepy way. This isn't a "girl who doesn't care about dying", this is a girl who doesn't care about living. Basically the picture is that of a girl who enjoys death and seeks to maximize it, whether it's the death of monsters or opponents or allies or herself.

In a game. Don't forget that bit, it's important. She's like a skilled Leeroy Jenkins. Which isn't that weird a behavior. She could be all that and call herself Dicksmasher69, and it still wouldn't be video game-weird.

And again, bear in mind that she's gone through so many parties that no one will take her anymore.

I never said she wasn't a pain to play with.

If she was just a troll or a berserker who wanted to kill lots of people, I doubt she would've been absolutely shunned. For that matter, I'd turn your words right back around: this is a guy who's been playing GGO for a long time. Regardless of how nicely he puts it, do you really think he'd call her dangerous and crazy and all he said just because she treats it a little more like a game and shrugs death off?

He's someone who said "I'm Memento Mori. "Don't forget death" is the way I live my life". About how he plays a video game. So yes, I think he'd say that.

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

It seems to me that you're grasping at straws. The author clearly included that segment to give us a view of Pito's personality from the perspective of a disinterested party,

Who only knows her from the game.

and the information we got from it matches the information given us by the interested party. It is blatantly intended to confirm the information M gave us. It is not intended to for us to go "Nah, obviously these guys are the crazy ones: this girl's perfectly normal." I get that some folks don't like the idea of this becoming a death game. I'm not fond of it myself. However, that is plainly what has happened, and attempting to dismiss the information we've received from two different sources screams of desperate denial.

Yes, but GGO's more comedic than the other SAO stories, so it could just be a red herring. Or, yes, it could be like so many other SAO stories and be a death game, but this being SAO is really the biggest reason we think it might be, rather than the supposed "clues" inside the story.

[Jan-Poo]

In the end the Memento Mori guy only talked about Pitohui's behavior in game, I don't think he suggested that she's the same IRL. A lot many persons behave differently in game than they do in real life and this anime is clearly showing it to us with the amazon team.

Pitohui is definitely someone who acts crazy in game, someone who kills indiscriminately friends or foe. But she said GGO is a place where she can get loose, which means she doesn't feel that way IRL.

At any rate she's not the person who'd prioritize a game over IRL issues. Else she'd have participated in the first SJ tournament. According to what she said she had to participate to a friend's wedding, because if she didn't "she would have been 'killed' IRL".

It's also way too strange that Pito suddenly decided that she would end her real life if she got killed in this tournament.
She participated in BoB before, she was killed in the preliminary and she's still playing. She also must have a died a lot of times before in the game with her suicidal behavior.

[Tenzen12]

Sure MMT guy knows her only from game, yet his impression are perfectly in line with M wh knows her outside of game. Even if either of them weren't to be trusted individualy, there is little room doubt them both.

As for her timing, exactly because she was killed (and killwd others) in game many times, she didn't felt need to do that in real life until she was denied that chance in first SJ. That thing about marriage was obviously sham, it was her concert which would be much harder ditch.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

it was her concert which would be much harder ditch.

If you believe what M said, it would be quite easy for her to ditch a concert and every single concert she could have in the future.

[Norn]

Memento Mori just thinks that she`s bad news. He probably thinks she`s crazy, but not in the same sense as M does.

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

If you believe what M said, it would be quite easy for her to ditch a concert and every single concert she could have in the future.

That's not like showbusiness and actually any job works.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

In the end the Memento Mori guy only talked about Pitohui's behavior in game, I don't think he suggested that she's the same IRL. A lot many persons behave differently in game than they do in real life and this anime is clearly showing it to us with the amazon team.

Pitohui is definitely someone who acts crazy in game, someone who kills indiscriminately friends or foe. But she said GGO is a place where she can get loose, which means she doesn't feel that way IRL.

At any rate she's not the person who'd prioritize a game over IRL issues. Else she'd have participated in the first SJ tournament. According to what she said she had to participate to a friend's wedding, because if she didn't "she would have been 'killed' IRL".

It's also way too strange that Pito suddenly decided that she would end her real life if she got killed in this tournament.
She participated in BoB before, she was killed in the preliminary and she's still playing. She also must have a died a lot of times before in the game with her suicidal behavior.

You seem to be misunderstanding. She isn't suicidal: at least not in the sense of wanting to die. She is just super excited and fascinated by the idea of doing something that puts her life on the line. The thrill of being in real danger is what she seeks. She's not trying to die: she isn't going into SJ2 here intending to die. She fully intends to win and come through alive. What she wants is the risk. She wants the danger to be real.

[BWTraveller]

Ultimately, we have absolutely no reason to believe or to DISBELIEVE what M has said about her. It could be that he's an obsessed man who takes her word for granted as truth. And maybe the years of depression and anger that she wasn't able to be part of SAO was something M dreamed up. And everything we've seen about her frustrations, her extreme bloodlust, her tendency to glory so much in death is all just further meant to add to the deceit. But frankly, one could just as easily and convincingly argue that M, as a man who's been by her side for years, has learned to recognize her wishes and desires and has made a correct assessment, that Memento isn't some jerk who'd call someone "dangerous" or other such things just because their philosophies are opposed, but rather saw in her behavior a love of death that was legitimately sufficient to scare him. That LLENN, being great friends with her in-game, wouldn't be so easily fooled unless it really fit very well with the woman she's come to know. Yes, it's hearsay and it could be leading up to "you actually believed this?", but there's absolutely no reason to not believe any more than there is to believe. I'd say the current setup seems aiming more toward truth than fiction though.

[HandofFate]

Fukaziroh is cracking me up in every scene.

[eiyuuou]

when we have Leroy, having a dupe version of the suicidist in a game isn't really unbelievable.
Pitohui did mention she act differently from herself IRL.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

You seem to be misunderstanding. She isn't suicidal: at least not in the sense of wanting to die. She is just super excited and fascinated by the idea of doing something that puts her life on the line. The thrill of being in real danger is what she seeks. She's not trying to die: she isn't going into SJ2 here intending to die. She fully intends to win and come through alive. What she wants is the risk. She wants the danger to be real.

I was talking about her "suicidal" behavior in game not IRL, and in the sense that she is putting herself into unnecessary danger. According to the MM guy she didn't care much about playing safe. He explicitly said that she has a death wish. When I say "suicidal" I mean exactly what the MM guy means.