2012-12-23, 01:26 | Link #361 | |
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2012-12-23, 06:41 | Link #364 | |
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I would like to remind you that a discussion forum is, at least in theory, a place for trying to convince other people to share your opinions, or if you cannot do that, at least make them understand where you're coming from. It is not a competition, nor is it an poll of which opinion is the most popular. If you don't have anything to contribute to the discussion, nobody gives a shit if you agree or not. If you wish to compliment a poster on a particularly well written post, you can do so by PM. All of the proposals for a replacement suffer from the exact same problems that the reputation system did. They encourage people to take sides, they discourage people from having nuanced opinions that do not fall within the established "camps" and they make the opinions of popular individuals appear more important than others. In other words, they encourage circlejerking. I know some people here (Triple_R is a particularly serious offender) really love the idea of some kind of posting hierarchy system that encourages people to judge other posters by their popularity rather than what they actually write. It's a terrible idea and you are all terrible people for loving it so much. We demand equal opportunity posting! Death to the posting bourgeoisie! Join the marxist-leninist posters union today!
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2012-12-23, 07:06 | Link #365 | |
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2012-12-23, 07:42 | Link #367 |
I disagree with you all.
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Yes, it's because they clutter and bump threads with low value posts. An "I agree" button wouldn't do that. It's a low commitment feedback.
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2012-12-23, 08:16 | Link #369 | |
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I told you what's wrong with it. A debate is not a poll, and pretending that it is encourages bad discussion habits.
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2012-12-23, 08:27 | Link #371 | |
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"I agree" is not an opinion relevant to the debate. If you have something to say, feel free to say it. If you only agree or disagree with something but don't want to elaborate, then don't post. Your opinion is irrelevant. Debating is about exchanging ideas, and "I agree" is not an idea worth exchanging.
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2012-12-23, 08:33 | Link #372 | ||
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Based on things that you posted a few pages ago, this is rather a huge hypocrisy coming from someone like you though. |
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2012-12-23, 08:40 | Link #373 | |
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Too many. People need to learn to stop posting if they don't have anything to say. Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen. (Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.) Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus (1922)
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2012-12-23, 08:49 | Link #374 | |
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It's rather in your defence of not wanting any replacement of the reputation system is the reason why you want to "shut up" other people. |
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2012-12-23, 08:59 | Link #375 |
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Two suggestions.
1. Tie user reps not to members, but to posts. Allow for pos / neg repping of posts, so that a person with more net positive posts would have higher rep / green bars. 2. System should not be cumulative, but reflect last x months of participation. Will miss the old system's contribution to a sense of forum community and history...anything that we come up with that will add to these I am for, even if it has nothing to do with member reps.
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2012-12-23, 09:18 | Link #376 | |
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This means that character limits (from the comment field of the old rep system) would still be in place so it doesn't really become redundant with the existing PM system. Something like this should help take care of the "Thank you" and "I agree" post clutter problem. Otherwise, we're just moving the clutter out of threads and into people's visitor pages and PM inboxes.
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2012-12-23, 09:25 | Link #377 | |
I disagree with you all.
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That would be too much commitment from both the sender and the recipient.
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- a forum isn't (necessarily) a vehicle for formal debates. It's for discussions. In which a sense of community can be conveyed by what IRL would be non-verbal communication. The rep system was a means of communicating without full posts or PM (which would be overkill). Besides, not all posts that are rewarded are about debates at all. - I could just as easily claim that not having feedback would encourage people they're the voice of the majority speaking out against a tiny but vocal minority. Nobody posts to agree with me? Why, it's because my posts are so perfect, nobody on my side has anything to add. |
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Seriously, people, read relentlessflame's posts again before you start requesting a feedback system. We had one, and it was found to create a few small circles of people patting each other's backs and impopular opinions being suppressed. Who coulda thunk it! In what way do you imagine that your proposals would prevent these two issues from popping up again? Regardless of what you can come up with, I'll tell you that the proposed feedback systems all suffer from the exact same problems and I have no idea what makes you unable to see it. Cliques and circlejerking are a problem that already exists on all non-anonymous discussion forums, and it's not exactly hard to predict that any kind of meta-posting feedback system will just exacerbate such issues. It's human nature.
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2012-12-23, 09:53 | Link #379 |
is this so?
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A few days of a no reputation Animesuki.. hard to describe the feeling, but the place feels strangely relaxed. Looking forward to the full implementation of reputation removal, just a few days from now.
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2012-12-23, 10:44 | Link #380 | |
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If the fear of neg rep is what suppressed unpopular opinions, then how would a neutral, short feedback system without neg rep or "dislike" option suppress it? Since anonymity would also be done away with, any flames sent to the poster through the system would reveal the flamer, and allow the poster to either report it or respond in kind in a private flame war. Somehow it seems my previous post at the bottom of the previous page was totally ignored.
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