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Perfect 10 | 86 | 72.27% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 15 | 12.61% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 10 | 8.40% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 4.20% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 0.84% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.84% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.84% | |
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2011-06-07, 16:24 | Link #181 | |
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I'll say it again. If people act completely logically and without emotion, how does drama even happen? There is no story then. The characters would know not to get stuck here with their emotions. The characters would solve these problems instantly. So doesn't drama require people being beaten with the stupid stick to some degree? And I would say that considering this show has spanned merely a couple weeks and the emotional trauma some of them are under (Though some question whether there really is such emotional trauma to begin with, which is fine), then it's no real surprise that it's taken just this little bit for the culmination of emotions to occur this episode.
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2011-06-07, 16:31 | Link #182 | |
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Characters, like people, do not have perfect photographic memory. They certainly don't write everything down, nor can they just go through flashbacks at will like we can. Nor would they constantly spend every day thinking of every minor detail Also, considering that most of the cast probably thought that Jintan was delusional, there's a bias. And Menma isn't exactly the brightest, being dead and all... and we have no idea how others perceive supernatural events.
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2011-06-07, 16:31 | Link #183 | ||
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But I generally agree with you. Sure, she acted sub-optimally, which I guess is where the complaints come from. But that's realistic: people act sub-optimally all the damn time. |
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2011-06-07, 16:37 | Link #184 | |
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However, the vast majority of human drama occurs because humans are dare I say it, stupid as hell. Emotion is often the cause of strife amongst us and in shows like this where human flaws are played to a tee, that's pretty much the living breadth of drama. Otherwise our characters would have already moved on and there'd be no story.
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2011-06-07, 16:38 | Link #185 | |
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Well, obviously there are situations where you are screwed no matter what you do. But people are flawed creatures and sometimes emotions and personal problems tend to really cloud their judgement, causing them to do irrational things that often will lead to a less desirable outcome. Basically, I think the point of that post was to show that people aren't robots that pick the most logical choices, and pick negative expected value moves. Characters can be irrational and stupid, but that doesn't mean the plot itself is irrational and stupid; it can still lead to effective drama.
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2011-06-07, 16:46 | Link #186 | |
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Well, we may not be reading the same posts. Let's see how I broke down Reckoner's post
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I don't necessarily agree with it completely, but that's how I saw it.
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2011-06-07, 17:32 | Link #191 | |
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'Hey, is it true you like Menma?' 'Yes, yes it is. I like Menma.' MENMA NEVER DIES, WE'RE ALL STUCK WATCHING THE NEXT SEASON OF IKKITOUSEN.
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2011-06-08, 02:21 | Link #195 | |
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I'm fine with people being stupid, and for that stupidity to cause drama. Because, realistically, there is no shortage of stupidity. But saying stupidity's a condition sine qua non for drama is ultimately just an excuse for lazy writing, based on characters being atypically stupid to fit the needs of the plot rather than driving it with their normal personalities. |
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2011-06-08, 03:10 | Link #196 | |
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People make irrational decisions due to their emotional state but that's fine. When I say "beaten with the stupid stick" I mean that the characters don't try something that any logical person would do, i.e. telling Menma to move an object. Please watch Cross Game for an example of a great dramedy where the characters don't behave like idiots.
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2011-06-08, 03:14 | Link #197 | ||
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And why would anyone tell Memma to move an object. Jintan wants to avoid her, not confront her. That makes no sense.
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2011-06-08, 03:22 | Link #198 |
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Being emotional = stupid. Live with it. Can't believe I'm saying the same thing from Madoka thread.
So it isn't stupid in intellectual way, it is stupid in a more emotional way. I'm using a same example from Madoka thread: Einstein, dreaming of unlocking the ultimate order in universe denied quantum theory because he emotionally couldn't accept that the fundamental building block is extremely random in nature. I agree that every emotionally moving story requires involvement of "stupid" characters in it to a degree. However, I still can't accept why didn't Jin-tan show everyone that Menma actually exist much much sooner. That's not "emotionally stupid" anymore imo and is dangerously close in being plain idiot. I understand Menma not doing it earlier, but why didn't Jin-tan make the initiative? I proposed the "cat box" theory to explain Jin-tan's idiocy, though now it seems less likely (though still possible). Also, the fact that even now Jin-tan still haven't actively trying to prove Menma's existence needs explanation imo.
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2011-06-08, 05:47 | Link #199 |
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Eh, all these arguments on why Jinta didn't do it earlier...
First of all, he is still against it. Notice that Jinta murmured "why" when Menma tried to reveal her existence? He clearly had a reason in mind that was and still is preventing him (otherwise he wouldn't ask "why") from doing it, so why don't we hold our breathe, and see if the show will enlighten us on it later? |
2011-06-08, 10:42 | Link #200 | |
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No one in this show is an idiot, they're just human.
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