Medaka Box [Manga]

[KLGChaos]

Originally Posted by Last Carpet

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT!!!

I mean to say this is more up Zenkichi's alley than Medaka's. He made friends with Munakata, a natural born serial killer who Medaka couldn't approach because of his Abnormality. Shiranui, the manipulative girl who hates Medaka, is his best friend. And he reformed Mukae, the deranged girl who's desperate for attention and close contact, who Medaka can't approach due to her Minus.

If anything it shows Zenkichi is more capable to deal with and potentially reform a Minus than Medaka could ever be. It would seem, if he can ever get over his fear of him, that Zenkichi has the best chance of reforming Kumagawa.

I can't help but wonder what the connection between Misogi, Zenkichi, and Najimi is.

Yeah, I think it's because Zenkichi tries to understand them (which is why Parasite Seeing is perfect for him). Medaka, if at first she doesn't succeed, tends to become too forceful, which in my experience, tends to have the opposite effect. Plus, she tries to help people and make them her friend without really trying to understand the reasons why the are the way they are. Zenkichi tries to get to the root of the problem and help them help themselves-- Medaka tries to overwrite the problem instead, which doesn't always work. In many ways, Zen is better at making everyone happy than she is because he goes out of his way to find out what they really need, and not what he thinks they need like Medaka tends to do.

Though I noticed after Zen helped Mukae, the following chapters seemed to focus more on Medaka and how she held Mukae's hand and not Zenkichi. Personally, he's the one responsible. Medaka just caught the aftereffects and got the credit for it. :/

[Last Carpet]

Originally Posted by KLGChaos

Though I noticed after Zen helped Mukae, the following chapters seemed to focus more on Medaka and how she held Mukae's hand and not Zenkichi. Personally, he's the one responsible. Medaka just caught the aftereffects and got the credit for it. :/

She didn't really get credit. Notice how she touched her hand after her Minus was weakened. Unlike Zenkichi who touched her hand while her Minus was still at full strength.

She only stepped in when it was safe for her, while Zenkichi took it all at full force. Even if Medaka came in, this was entirely his moment.

[KLGChaos]

Originally Posted by Last Carpet

She didn't really get credit. Notice how she touched her hand after her Minus was weakened. Unlike Zenkichi who touched her hand while her Minus was still at full strength.

She only stepped in when it was safe for her, while Zenkichi took it all at full force. Even if Medaka came in, this was entirely his moment.

Oh, I know it was all him. I was just going by the way the former Pres was all starry-eyed about how Medaka touched Emukae's hand and praised her for understanding a minus, but didn't seem to even factor Zen into the equation. Though I loved Shiranui's face in the panel after that... She had a look like "You're wrong".

[Iron21]

Whoa!!! didn't expect that! We need translations now!!!

Also, we can put the Ajimu being Zen past GF now

Spoiler for 88:

She gave Kumagawa some tongue action this chapter, and she had a evil look on her face when he left afterward.

Kumagawa had a outburst and she gave him his minus back, now he about to fight Medaka now. Looks like Kumagawa about to fuck Medaka shit up

Spoiler for The Pic:

[Nvis]

So Shiranui won't be in the last battle?

[Iron21]

Originally Posted by Nvis

So Shiranui won't be in the last battle?

Spoiler for ...:

Kumagawa with his first minus vs Medaka it seems. I was hoping for a Shiranui vs Medaka too, but it's unlikely now.

[KLGChaos]

Spoiler:

I think I would have preferred to see Shiranui vs Medaka. It's been a long time coming. And what exactly is Kumagawa's original minus other than his personality? Medaka fighting him is going to be bad either way because if she absorbs that, it's all over.

Ajimu has me concerned... Is she good or is she bad? Maybe there's two sides to her... Why can't Zen and Medaka remember her? There's too many unanswered questions right now. Hopefully, once this last battle is over, we'll find out more, especially considering she told Zen to come back afterwards.

And is it just me or does it look like Kumagawa is becoming more and more of the main character of the series. There's been so much focus on him and more development on his part than anyone else, that he's starting to overshadow everyone else... Hell, he's even getting the romantic parts, which is a lot more than we can say for Zen. At least he's interesting to watch. As much as I like Zen, the whole "unchangeable" thing doesn't really make for a developed character.

[Iron21]

Originally Posted by KLGChaos

Spoiler:

I think I would have preferred to see Shiranui vs Medaka. It's been a long time coming. And what exactly is Kumagawa's original minus other than his personality? Medaka fighting him is going to be bad either way because if she absorbs that, it's all over.

Ajimu has me concerned... Is she good or is she bad? Maybe there's two sides to her... Why can't Zen and Medaka remember her? There's too many unanswered questions right now. Hopefully, once this last battle is over, we'll find out more, especially considering she told Zen to come back afterwards.

And is it just me or does it look like Kumagawa is becoming more and more of the main character of the series. There's been so much focus on him and more development on his part than anyone else, that he's starting to overshadow everyone else... Hell, he's even getting the romantic parts, which is a lot more than we can say for Zen. At least he's interesting to watch. As much as I like Zen, the whole "unchangeable" thing doesn't really make for a developed character.

Spoiler for 88:

He's not becoming the main character, no matter how much people hate her, Medaka is the Main.

I think Kumagawa is being set up not to be the big bad guy that he's being made out to be. Yes, he's still crazy in the head but Ajimu big bad villain alert is ringing. It's totally strange how her persona and speech change all of a sudden like that.

Was getting her face ripped off, a good thing.

Seems like she doesn't even care though.

Everything is up in the air right now, I'm anxious to see everything unfold. It seems like everything revolves around Ajimu now, and Kumagawa, Zen, and Medaka play a part in something.

[LeaD36]

funny to see how ppl buried this manga @ 20-30 chapters
now we're close to 90 and the author set up a couple of unanswered questions - mainly being Shiranui and Ajimu - to take the story even further rofl.

[Sol Falling]

Ahaha, I totally called the Najimi is Kumagawa's girlfriend thing. Was sceptical of the Zen hypothesis from the start. Nice, I'm looking forward to seeing this scanlated.

[Soji]

Originally Posted by Iron21

Spoiler for 88:

He's not becoming the main character, no matter how much people hate her, Medaka is the Main.

I think Kumagawa is being set up not to be the big bad guy that he's being made out to be. Yes, he's still crazy in the head but Ajimu big bad villain alert is ringing. It's totally strange how her persona and speech change all of a sudden like that.

Was getting her face ripped off, a good thing.

Seems like she doesn't even care though.

Everything is up in the air right now, I'm anxious to see everything unfold. It seems like everything revolves around Ajimu now, and Kumagawa, Zen, and Medaka play a part in something.

Spoiler for Spoiler:

I think you're forgetting something very important, the first time Zen meets Ajimi after he died.
Ajimi: If you can't remeber ,then i'm no one
Mainly because my face was ripped off anyway
But for you to non have any clue
Maybe it's too soon for Hitoyoshi-kun to come here than kumagawa-kun?

Zen:Kumagawa!? Kumagawa came here too!?

Ajimi: I meet him every time he dies
Mostly it's not "Me" here that he meets but the "Me" inside his heart
Now maybe it's me that misunderstood what she meant, but I think that there are two Ajimi or at least two side of her. The one tha appears before Kumagawa seems to be more malignant and seems to reciprocate his love for her and the one that appears before Zen is more kind
I do not know what more to say because we saw too little about the one that appear before Zen and Zen himself not remember her.
Of course, maybe you're right and she is the big bad girl but frankly I belive there are two of her or her personality change if she appears before Zen or Kumagawa.
I belive if kumagawa succed his plan about the draw
He would always appeared alone before Ajimi and the same applies to Zen or we saw two Ajimi with them.
For now I want to see the ch raw for more info and why Zen know her.
Before think about her at the true final boss or being Kumagawa's girlfriend.

[AlphaDragoon]

Originally Posted by Iron21

Spoiler for 88:

She gave Kumagawa some tongue action this chapter, and she had a evil look on her face when he left afterward.

Kumagawa had a outburst and she gave him his minus back, now he about to fight Medaka now. Looks like Kumagawa about to fuck Medaka shit up

You do remember who we're talking about, right?

Spoiler for 88:

Medaka's still gonna kick his ass six ways to Sunday. Everytime someone thinks they've got enough of what it takes to beat Medaka...she shows them how wrong they were.

[Kurosu]

Spoiler for MedakaBox Kumagawa:

Some may not have noticed, but when Kumagawa made his declaration, HE STOPPED TALKING IN QUOTES! He's a brand new man, thus making it possible to fight in the match, assuming he claims he's a different Kumagawa.

[Last Carpet]

Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon

You do remember who we're talking about, right?

Spoiler for 88:

Medaka's still gonna kick his ass six ways to Sunday. Everytime someone thinks they've got enough of what it takes to beat Medaka...she shows them how wrong they were.

Yeah, just like she did in Middle School.

Therein lies the problem. She tried to help him but she couldn't, she tried to reform him but she didn't. In the end she attacked him in a fit of rage. Which left her emotionally scarred after she calmed down and realized that she didn't actually do anything positive for him. She may have forgotten it for a while, but her goal was to reform Misogi and make him happy, not to defeat him.

And besides, she said it herself that if strength was all it took to beat Misogi than she'd have beaten him back in Middle School. He's even worse now than he was in Middle School, and now he has his original Minus back. Even now that Medaka's Abnormality has been fully explored, we see a specific problem.

She can't turn off her power, she can't stop herself from taking on, improving and mastering a new ability when she experiences it. Either she wins the fight and absorbs and enhances Misogi's Minus, or she loses the fight and his new Student Council takes over.

The outcome of this match is pretty much Lose/Lose.

[Asuras]

I have a feeling Kuudou's newfound abilities will have a price. Shiranui isn't that cool. >.>
I hope to god he wins nonetheless.

[Rejuvenation]

Spoiler for Raw 88:

Ajimi kissing Kumagawa there totally caught me off guard. Ha what a lucky bastard even if its not in the physical realm. Looking forward to what his original Minus is and if he still has All-Fiction on top of that or if she took it. Also I could buy her being a potential Big Bad depending on how Nishio goes about it.

Medaka vs. Kumagawa is going to be good and its what I've been waiting for.

Originally Posted by Last Carpet

Yeah, just like she did in Middle School.

Therein lies the problem. She tried to help him but she couldn't, she tried to reform him but she didn't. In the end she attacked him in a fit of rage. Which left her emotionally scarred after she calmed down and realized that she didn't actually do anything positive for him. She may have forgotten it for a while, but her goal was to reform Misogi and make him happy, not to defeat him.

And besides, she said it herself that if strength was all it took to beat Misogi than she'd have beaten him back in Middle School. He's even worse now than he was in Middle School, and now he has his original Minus back. Even now that Medaka's Abnormality has been fully explored, we see a specific problem.

She can't turn off her power, she can't stop herself from taking on, improving and mastering a new ability when she experiences it. Either she wins the fight and absorbs and enhances Misogi's Minus, or she loses the fight and his new Student Council takes over.

The outcome of this match is pretty much Lose/Lose.

The thing you overlook is that unlike Mr. "Unchangeable," Medaka actually progresses in her character and abilities. She learns and grows throughout the story.

Medaka didn't know how to turn on her reflexes but she learned how to after facing Takachiho. She didn't know anything about the true power of her abnormality and how to control Perses mode but after facing the 13 Party she did.

Medaka's biggest task has not been mastering other peoples' personalities and their abilities but mastering herself as a person and the weight of her own abilities. In order to face a minus she will either learn how to turn her ability off and on like everyone else or somehow overcome the negatives that come with a minus so she doesn't experience the side effects. If she can handle "that thing inside of her" she should be able to eventually find a way to deal with Minus abilities. Besides, Medaka has been watching her friends face off against the Minus 13 for almost a month now. Considering a lot of her abnormality also kicks in just based off of her seeing something, its hard to buy that she won't come up with any kind of counters. Hinokage even told her to watch him closely and see how to deal with a minus. On top of that, during that sequence of chapters everybody on the student council just talked about how they need to "Understand the Minus 13". Its not like Medaka is just going to ignore that especially after the whole thing with Emukae.

Also reforming Kumagawa is Medaka's job. That has been made clear throughout this arc with the conversations and exchanges between the characters. Zenkichi, unlike Medaka, makes it clear he "hates" Kumagawa and if he had his way wouldn't bother to try to reform him. Zenkichi also didn't manage to notice the similarities between Shiranui, his "best friend" and Kumagawa but Medaka did. Despite Medaka bringing it up, Zenkichi acted clueless.

Zenkichi can't reform Kumagawa because he isn't willing to put his personal feelings aside to do so. Medaka is willing to though and its shown throughout this entire arc how hard it is for her to try to come to grips with that. The struggle for Medaka and her desire to reform and make Kumagawa happy is there. Its not even existent for Zenkichi because he isn't even bothering to try. For Zenkichi, Kumagawa is just that jerk who screws with his friends' heads and bodies, hits on his mom, and the guy who emotionally scarred Medaka in middle school.

[KLGChaos]

Well, Zenkichi does have a point. If a man murdered several people, in most judicial systems he doesn't get "reformed"... He pays for his actions with a life sentence or death sentence. And I don't think I could ever feel pity or forgive someone like Timothy McVeigh, who killed a bunch of innocent people, no matter how sorry he felt about it. Does it make me a bad person? I think it makes me normal. Then again, this is a manga and in mangas, a man can slaughter hundreds and if he apologizes for what he's done, he's welcomed with open arms to the good guys side and his past crimes tend to be swept under the rug. I know the heel-face turn is a staple of stories, but I've never liked how most just forget about their deeds in the process.

I personally don't want to see Kumagawa reformed. I'd much rather see a villain go down as a villain. There are way too many wishy-washy ones out there these days who redeem themselves at the last second. I blame Star Wars. Lol.

[Last Carpet]

Originally Posted by Rejuvenation

Spoiler for Raw 88:

Ajimi kissing Kumagawa there totally caught me off guard. Ha what a lucky bastard even if its not in the physical realm. Looking forward to what his original Minus is and if he still has All-Fiction on top of that or if she took it. Also I could buy her being a potential Big Bad depending on how Nishio goes about it.

Medaka vs. Kumagawa is going to be good and its what I've been waiting for.

The thing you overlook is that unlike Mr. "Unchangeable," Medaka actually progresses in her character and abilities. She learns and grows throughout the story.

Medaka didn't know how to turn on her reflexes but she learned how to after facing Takachiho. She didn't know anything about the true power of her abnormality and how to control Perses mode but after facing the 13 Party she did.

Medaka's biggest task has not been mastering other peoples' personalities and their abilities but mastering herself as a person and the weight of her own abilities. In order to face a minus she will either learn how to turn her ability off and on like everyone else or somehow overcome the negatives that come with a minus so she doesn't experience the side effects. If she can handle "that thing inside of her" she should be able to eventually find a way to deal with Minus abilities. Besides, Medaka has been watching her friends face off against the Minus 13 for almost a month now. Considering a lot of her abnormality also kicks in just based off of her seeing something, its hard to buy that she won't come up with any kind of counters. Hinokage even told her to watch him closely and see how to deal with a minus. On top of that, during that sequence of chapters everybody on the student council just talked about how they need to "Understand the Minus 13". Its not like Medaka is just going to ignore that especially after the whole thing with Emukae.

Also reforming Kumagawa is Medaka's job. That has been made clear throughout this arc with the conversations and exchanges between the characters. Zenkichi, unlike Medaka, makes it clear he "hates" Kumagawa and if he had his way wouldn't bother to try to reform him. Zenkichi also didn't manage to notice the similarities between Shiranui, his "best friend" and Kumagawa but Medaka did. Despite Medaka bringing it up, Zenkichi acted clueless.

Zenkichi can't reform Kumagawa because he isn't willing to put his personal feelings aside to do so. Medaka is willing to though and its shown throughout this entire arc how hard it is for her to try to come to grips with that. The struggle for Medaka and her desire to reform and make Kumagawa happy is there. Its not even existent for Zenkichi because he isn't even bothering to try. For Zenkichi, Kumagawa is just that jerk who screws with his friends' heads and bodies, hits on his mom, and the guy who emotionally scarred Medaka in middle school.

Hmm..........yeah OK, you make some good points.

If anything, I'm more interested in what'll happen when the fight's over rather than the fight itself. Medaka will win, she always wins, even her losses are victories in themselves. And Misogi will lose, he's a loser who has always lost to everyone in everything. We already know that.

How the fight plays out may be interesting. Seeing just how Medaka will beat Misogi, if she'll somehow avoid absorbing his Minus. We may get a clearer look back into their Middle School days and find out about Najimi. And hopefully we'll discover Zenkichi's connection to this.

But like I said, I'm more interested in what'll happen after the fight is over. Something tells me this whole Student Council battle has just been a ploy by Misogi in order to stall for enough time for the other Minuses to transfer in.

And I'm wondering how the outcome of the fight will affect Zenkichi. He pledged himself to protect Medaka from anyone like Kumagawa. If Medaka beats Misogi on her own, she'll have taken Zenkichi's purpose from him. He'll probably still follow her around like before, but only out of blind devotion instead of purpose. Personally, I'd like to see just what would happen to Medaka if Zenkichi decided that she didn't need him anymore and left her side.

[KLGChaos]

Originally Posted by Last Carpet

Hmm..........yeah OK, you make some good points.

If anything, I'm more interested in what'll happen when the fight's over rather than the fight itself. Medaka will win, she always wins, even her losses are victories in themselves. And Misogi will lose, he's a loser who has always lost to everyone in everything. We already know that.

How the fight plays out may be interesting. Seeing just how Medaka will beat Misogi, if she'll somehow avoid absorbing his Minus. We may get a clearer look back into their Middle School days and find out about Najimi. And hopefully we'll discover Zenkichi's connection to this.

But like I said, I'm more interested in what'll happen after the fight is over. Something tells me this whole Student Council battle has just been a ploy by Misogi in order to stall for enough time for the other Minuses to transfer in.

And I'm wondering how the outcome of the fight will affect Zenkichi. He pledged himself to protect Medaka from anyone like Kumagawa. If Medaka beats Misogi on her own, she'll have taken Zenkichi's purpose from him. He'll probably still follow her around like before, but only out of blind devotion instead of purpose. Personally, I'd like to see just what would happen to Medaka if Zenkichi decided that she didn't need him anymore and left her side.

That would be an interesting scenario and seeing a Zenkichi on his own, not following Medaka around would definitely be a step towards developing his character more. However, given his "unchangeable" nature and his obsession with Medaka, I highly doubt it would happen. It would make for good story, especially seeing how Medaka would handle things without Zenkichi being her support, and Nishio has surprised me before, so I wouldn't completely rule it out. It'll just be very unlikely.

[Doc Astaroth]

What the...

Spoiler for Chapter 88:

Kumagawa: (Without quotations) I WANT TO WIN AGAINST THEM!

"Despite being not cool, not strong, not right, not handsome, not sweet or beautiful, I want to win against the people who are cool, strong, right, handsome, sweet or beautiful."

Uhm... Okay. I think can declare Kumagawa now as...

BEST VILLIAN (in a shounen manga) EVER!


Nah, but it looks like that in the end, he is just Ajimu´s dragon.

Really... She owns 12.858.051.967.633.865 skills???!!! Quite overpowered...