2012-04-28, 00:28 | Link #181 | |
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She isn't a bad lead at all IMO, and it's still early to say that she doesn't have much passion or strong emotions. It may seem that way now, but we can't be sure of anything until we see what really makes her tick.
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2012-04-28, 01:22 | Link #184 |
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Also gotta say this was the weakest episode so far. What a dumbass plotwist and way to resolve the episode. Who was opposing their love that they needed such stupid scheme to do that? Even a hand waved reason like "My parents, who are in high society, wouldn't allow it" would do.
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2012-04-28, 02:29 | Link #185 | |
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First of all, if you watch the other Lupin shows/movies, some episodes are quite light-hearted, but there are some darker ones in there too. It covers a wide range. Making it darker is not a new idea. The difference with this episode is that it totally changes the characters into something not only unrecognizable, but actually contradictory. Zenigata would never do what he did in this episode. He is not sleazy, corrupt, and kill-happy. Never in any of the material. And IF he was. Then Lupin would never interact with him like he does. It's all connected. You can't make Zenigata a scumbag and still have Lupin call him "pops". Lupin simply would not act that way towards bizarro Zenigata. Fujiko would never do what she did either, in any of the original or later material. And she came across as just passive and boring this episode. Not to mention the plot itself was boring. Basically, this came off as the writer using her own pet themes and pet character types that she likes, and forcing the Lupin characters into those roles. Instead of telling a new story about the Lupin characters. |
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2012-04-28, 05:40 | Link #188 |
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Rereading the list here:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...31#post4098631 I cannot blame her if she still has a pile of works and corresponding deadlines to deal with... But I'll try to watch this episode anyway.
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2012-04-28, 08:04 | Link #189 |
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Lol, thats right, Okada had been having problems with trying to keep up with the workload she's been getting, and they even said it was an issue over with EVOL ... I wonder if this is a case of biting more than you can chew with the amount of work she's taking on, or if she is just trying to prove herself as a creator and is starting to stretch herself too thin... In any case, my issue isn't really with the dialogue or script (which remains great, so I don't think her writing is suffering) so much as with the changes with the cast's core characters and the tone of the show being more serious than anything. Even then, I wouldn't go so far as say that there is anything bad about the show on any level. As for Fujiko, I respectfully disagree with duckroll. I don't think that Fujiko is a bad lead so much that as at this point in the story, we don't really know what motivates her to do what she is doing, and the fact that the contrast drawn between her and the other cast members is meant to show that she is different from the rest of master thieves, that she isn't in this with the same passion and rive as the rest of them. If the ending is any hint, it's pretty clear that there is a story to this Fujiko that makes her appear this emotionally distant and detached from the world in general, and is meant to be shown that she is a scared person who is unable to show much commitment to anything in the world and is generally used to being indifferent to what happens to her body and the world around her. So really, there is a story there, but we are getting to see Fujiko as she is right now, with the later episodes showing us how she became like that. My problem with this Fujiko is more about her not being so much fun as I remember her, but I'm still pretty interested in the story they have for her here.
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2012-04-28, 14:09 | Link #191 | |
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2012-04-28, 14:24 | Link #192 |
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While this might be a darker and edgier version of the franchise I don't think it's that dark and edgy overall,we're far from something like Mardock Scramble.
All we know is that he scripted episode 3 so far,no idea if he's had any input outside of that.
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2012-04-28, 17:11 | Link #193 | |
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Seems like the opposite to me. So far Lupin, Jigen, and Goemon have not even been as "dark" as in some of the other anime, let alone the manga. Even in the "lightest" anime: Spoiler:
Compared to that, what would make you think they were darker in this? I'm actually happy with how they've been portrayed here, because the manga version is too dark for me and I'm glad they didn't follow it. That leaves Zenigata and Fujiko. I'm not going to repeat everything I and others have said about their portrayal here. I'll just say, no, Zenigata's goal in the manga was not to murder Lupin. No, Zenigata never had sex with Fujiko in any manga or anime before, let alone in a context where he abused his authority as a police officer. The rest of it, you can read the previous posts. |
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2012-04-30, 19:11 | Link #195 |
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This my kind of show. I'm only 2 episodes in though but I like where it is going. It's as if the main goal is to get Fujiko naked and they build the story around that.
"Hmm, what situation can we put her in this week to have her remove her clothes?" I don't say this sarcastically. The art style rules!!!
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2012-05-01, 13:57 | Link #196 |
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Watched Episode 4, and at first glance it was quite entertaining just like before, along with the plot twists, unless one has his teeth cut since the beginning of the franchise and quickly discern odd anomalies that are "out of bounds" as far as Lupin "canon" is concerned.
But still, very enjoyable.
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