2013-04-24, 20:05 | Link #461 | |
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And again, it's not. You haven't shown one piece of evidence that it would be better, other than to satisfy personal moral standards. No one ever called her the devil except you. |
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2013-04-24, 20:07 | Link #462 | |
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Yumiko doesn't need protection, but she also doesn't need to be defeated by a two-bit hero who chose the wrong moment to stand up for himself. Rational self-interest implies being rational. Saika did not get any practice this episode. Because the duel used up the entire lunch break. This is a fact. If Yumiko had even a 0.0000001% chance of letting Saika practice with them, then letting her use the field would be better. This is math, statistics, common sense, logic. What do you have on your side of the argument, other than a hatred of rude girls? |
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2013-04-24, 20:14 | Link #463 | |
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Once again, they wanted to kick Hachiman's group off for good. And let's keep in mind that Saika asked the Service club for good, not Hayato or Yumiko. That's not to mention how incredibly flawed your logic is if you think choosing an option with a "0.0000001% chance" of having a good outcome is a wise gamble. |
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2013-04-24, 20:15 | Link #464 | ||
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2013-04-24, 20:18 | Link #465 |
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I never said Yumiko was blameless. I specifically said both of them escalated the problem together. That's all there is to it. And backing down could have solved the problem with minimal loss, especially if Saika gets the practice anyway (which Yumiko did promise).
And of course it's in Yumiko's rational self-interest to try to get something she wants. What does she have to lose by trying? Is it nice? Maybe not, but she did offer to help Saika. Why does Hikki care who provides the help? |
2013-04-24, 20:22 | Link #466 | |
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Because it's Hachiman's obligation as a service club member? Because if Hachiman doesn't participate as a service club member, Shizuka won't let him pass onto the next grade? I don't understand this at all. It's fine for Yumiko to act out of self-interest, but Hachiman is wrong for doing the same? |
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2013-04-24, 20:25 | Link #467 | |
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Are you actually reading what I'm writing? He's not acting out of rational self interest because his plan is fucking stupid and couldn't possibly help in any circumstance. It's just stubbornness, pure and simple. Earlier in the episode he instinctively bowed down by accident and now he's trying to make up for that. What he's doing has nothing to do with tennis. |
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2013-04-24, 20:30 | Link #469 | ||
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What power does Hachiman himself to kick them off another time? He wouldn't necessarily have a teacher's approval then. In terms of numbers, Yumiko's group outnumber him. They have even less of a reason to comply with Hachiman than he does with them. |
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2013-04-24, 20:37 | Link #470 | |||
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Also, Yumiko and her friends actually want to play tennis. Hikki is only doing it out of obligation. Heck, he's not even playing since they only have 3 people. If Yumiko's group can have fun at the same time as helping Saika practice, isn't that just a better world? More people are happier? This isn't a zero-sum game. Quote:
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And if Hikki wouldn't have permission later then he wouldn't even be using the field himself, would he? If they lost permission from the teachers then it wouldn't matter what Yumiko did or didn't do. |
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2013-04-24, 20:47 | Link #472 | ||
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We're not talking as if we're Hikki; Yumiko doesn't get a free pass because of some craze notion you have in your head that we can't control the actions of others but we can some how control Hikki's and so its okay to demand things only from him. Quote:
Have you ever trained in a sports team? There's a reason people don't like practicing with other people just fooling around.
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They didn't choose to ask. Hachiman outright said that they had permission that's not available to others. Yumiko said it makes no sense and called him creepy. That's when Hayato proposed the contest. That was an ultimatum. Quote:
A teacher isn't actively monitoring them for lunch break. That's the entire reason why Yumiko had the power to pick a fight in the first place. The point behind proposing a game instead of directly fighting Hachiman is so that Yumiko's group "fairly" earns the right to what she wants without looking like the bad guy. If they win a mutually agreed contest, no one would listen to Hachiman as the loser. That's the point. |
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2013-04-24, 20:52 | Link #474 |
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Okay, I just rewatched it. Yumiko asks nicely, Hikki refuses by claiming that only Saika has permission, and when she asks why he's allowed if only Saika has permission he responds in a confusing manner. She gets annoyed (she's been characterized as disliking roundabout explanations) but then Hayato suggests they play together. Hikki then blows up and makes it all confrontational. Yumiko had no intent to kick them out until he did that. She originally asked to use the field alongside them, but Hikki made it clear that he wouldn't share. She actually comes off better than I'd remembered.
Edit: Hayato does more the talking than I remembered, but it's all completely reasonable. The whole thing revolves around the fact that Hikki himself doesn't have permission, or at least never claimed to. |
2013-04-24, 21:36 | Link #475 |
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Saiki has permission and had extended it to the service club, so by extension Hachiman and the rest of them had permission. This isn't a hard situation to get.
If they don't want to share then that's their right- as somone who had train in a sport team before I can tell you its annoying to have 'outsiders' playing around in your practice. If anything Yumiko revealed her true face when they refused her and she doesn't get what she wants.
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2013-04-24, 22:10 | Link #476 |
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Are we seriously having an argument about whether the blonde selfish girl was in the wrong to try and take use of the area for her own selfish wishes? If she wants to play tennis so damn badly she can go ahead and get permission through the proper channels. Not try and force her way under the assumption that she can do anything because she's popular. Makes you wonder if Clarste is just being contrary to be contrary and string everyone along.
Just going to move on past this since, it really doesn't matter. Kind of too bad that Yumiko got rescued there. Not that you'd want her to get hurt, but might have taught her that she can't always get her way. Certainly would have worked with the baseball metaphor to have someone running into a wall while not keeping an eye on their surroundings. In some ways kind of depressing that Hachiman won that game thanks to all the time he spent playing on his own . Loner strategies for the win ! Also props to Yui for being able to use the friend card to pull Yukino into the game. Totsuka was an interesting guy to throw into it. A dangerously cute guy that's for sure.
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2013-04-25, 01:24 | Link #477 | |
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Clarste from here go and saying Hikki didn't have any other reason accept duel than being conceited idiot and that it didn't contributed anything. (means he should be more diplomatic instead whole that cock fight) (personaly approve with reservations) Rest is just semantics. Chaos from here go and saying Yumiko is not just selfish and arogant but also untrustworthy, dishonorable and overaly irredeemable (which personaly find quite presumptuous). Rest is (again) just semantics. Yes, there were also dosen of insults on both sides... Last edited by Tenzen12; 2013-04-25 at 01:50. |
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2013-04-25, 08:08 | Link #478 | |
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While it might have helped if Hikki had tried more diplomacy I have my doubts. Dealing with someone who talks down to the person who actually registered for using the court and is hitting balls at them (which can certainly be interpreted as an act of intimidation) would be tough to handle. Plus, let's face it Hikki had enough trouble standing up in that classroom to help Yui out. To say he could engage in a reasonable debate with Yumiko over their use of the court is kind of asking a lot. That and this is a comedy series so a normal conversation about any issue probably won't happen . With Yumiko, I haven't seen much positive out of her. Just seems like a stereotypical popular girl who uses the people around her. If she wants to talk about something, they will talk about that topic. If she wants to play tennis, then the people using the court better let her. Plus anyone who openly compliments themselves about the idea of a mixed doubles match...I worry about . But, thanks on the summary there. Still kind of amazed that one part of the episode has consumed the thread.
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