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View Poll Results: Ore no Imouto (Season Two) - Episode 14-16 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 25 | 19.38% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 18 | 13.95% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 10.08% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 8 | 6.20% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 12 | 9.30% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 1.55% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 3.10% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 10 | 7.75% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 4 | 3.10% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 33 | 25.58% | |
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2013-09-03, 06:36 | Link #484 | |
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After watching it again and paying attention to their behavior, words etc, you would understand no, the ending is not like that at all. Looking back at the first season 1 in 2010 (didn't read the novel at that time). Kirino got my attention in the first episode. I thought at that this time, this girl has something to hide for sure. Because the way she asked Kyousuke about her imouto eroge fetish. She didn't ask it in the point of view of society but she was on interested in his opinion. She asked it again and again. It really was suspicious. After she made sure he had nothing against it, life counseling started.
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2013-09-03, 11:34 | Link #485 | |
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2013-09-04, 04:09 | Link #488 | |
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Kirino's story already started with a deep sisterly affection for her brother and romantic love forms through the years of brooding over a sibling estrangement. That seems simple and plausible enough so I am easily convinced to this end. The thread of Kyousuke's romantic development seems much more obscure. Kyousuke's strongest characterization has got to be his brotherly affection for Kirino. From readily accepting her otakuness, many times consulting Manami about her sister, to taking a punch to the face from father to protect her sister is about as big brother as you can get. Then evolution from there into love was lost on me. The anime did show Kyousuke reacting jealously over Mikagami but what other gradual sign that Kyousuke saw her sister as a potential lover I cannot recount. It is only after the repetitious confessions that I just allowed myself to be convinced as that's how it is. I think Kirino has reached some stability of the two perspectives by the end since she seemed pretty satisfied with the kiss at the alter. So at this point having Kyousuke either as a lover or a brother can be deemed a happy ending for her. While Kyousuke is now in an awkward situation with feelings that weren't there before and would likely want to pursue those feelings further. Kyousuke's flirting at the end felt like watching ex-lovers who agreed to go back to being friends but the guy is still looking for benefits. So if anyone is going to make a move, it's probably onii-san. |
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2013-09-04, 14:46 | Link #489 | |||
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By the same token, I would say that things started building from the true ending of the first season with his "confession" to Kirino in America. The extent of his confession there and the amount he had bonded with her (and she with him) was suspicious, and this got reinforced again in Ria's episode in this second season. This led right into the jealousy arcs and Kirino's declaration in front of Kyousuke and Kuroneko (and the resulting agreement between the two of them about not dating). This was followed by their separation and Kyousuke's determination to hurry back home to be by Kirino's side (despite others continuing to express interest). I think the romantic signs from Kyousuke were definitely increasing in a linear fashion, but in people's mind there was always the idea that it could all be dismissed as really-really-close sibling affection if Kyousuke chose someone else, because no matter what happened Kirino and Kyousuke will always remain siblings. If Kirino had any other kind of relationship with him that wasn't familial, it would have been way more obvious. The author absolutely played this to his benefit in keeping people guessing. Quote:
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2013-09-04, 19:49 | Link #490 |
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First off I'd like to say that the main reason why I just signed up for this forum is to properly thank both relentlessflame and SigUp (as well as many others) who contributed their thoughts on the finale and the Oreimo series as a whole. After the ending aired I was a bit....perplexed, but it was through reading the interpretations here on the series that I gained a higher respect for the author.
I want to thank relentlessflame especially for translating the crucial author interviews and for helping me (and I'm sure others as well) grasp this story better. I hope you guys continue your contributions on this forum, because it seems I learn something new everyday about this series that I hadn't thought of before. (I lurked on this forum and have read most of you guys's posts on the finale) ______________________________ As someone who started watching Oreimo after noticing this huge internet backlash I checked out the series to see what it was about. I'm a very picky guy when it comes to TV, anime, games and movies so the fact that I was interested in this series was well....interesting. From the beginning I saw through Kirino's tsundere act (and immediately got the feeling she liked Kyousuke as a man) but the part of the series that got my interest was whether Kyousuke felt/or would feel the same towards her in the end. I always treated Oreimo as a work of FICTION. Some people like to say that guys with little sisters wouldn't like this series or wouldn't approve of their relationship, I say that's incorrect in my case. I showed my sister who happens to be 3 years younger than me, she's 21, this series and explained what happened while I showed her some clips. She loved it and felt that as a narrative it was well done. That lead me to conclude that one needs a type of maturity to appreciate this series and what the author intended to do. ______________________________ My thoughts on the ending, I had to read everything I could get my hands on in order to appreciate the ending. Basically after all was said and done I loved it. As someone who only watched the anime I was perplexed by the ending at first. But then I let it sink in and I started thinking (something few popular series force you to do since everything is laid out) and the more I thought and looked back, the more I loved the series. I looked for author interviews through the big G, which lead me to this place to read the translated views the author shared. And then I read the different thoughts and interpretations people made on the series and I started learning more. I think relentlessflame said it best when he mentioned something along the lines of, "the series was like a puzzle that needed the last piece in order for it to make sense. The decision by the author to keep key cards close to his chest until the very end created suspense, anticipation and hype, while rewarding the viewer/reader with replay value by encouraging us to go back and reread/rewatch the series and catch the hints we missed" I'm going to stop here because I just seem to go on and on. But basically I'm glad to have found this place and hopefully I'll enjoy my stay. |
2013-09-04, 20:09 | Link #491 | |
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So, basically, it could be that her breaking down wasn’t just because of her guilt then, it may also have been because she was losing confidence that she really could go through with it after all. But giving in before the promise would be stupid since it was pretty much their last chance to be lovers as openly as they could and mostly guilt free. Not to mention Kirino was never good at admitting defeat anyways, lol. And then, her insisting with the ring like that was her indirect way of telling Kyousuke that maybe revisiting the terms of their promise wouldn’t be such a bad idea (The oreimo song suki nandamon comes to mind). But Kyousuke, who already proved how much he improved at understanding Kirino’s secret tsundere language in the last few episodes, immediately, got her message. Then, he responded with a counter attack that was probably way beyond Kirino’s expectations, which forced her to deal with the situation more directly and immediately by declaring a new series of Jinseisoudan, which as has been said; was both how their first mutual secret and first (love) story started, as well the beginning of yet another story. Well, at least this is more or less the way I read/watched it. Though to be fair, I mostly just watched the anime, then read the wedding scene and the epilogue after it ended... I probably wouldn’t have a lot of confidence in any interpretation I made if I had only stuck to the anime, that's for sure. PS. Relentlessflame, what anime does your avatar come from? I’m guessing Shakugan no Shana? |
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2013-09-04, 21:47 | Link #492 | |||
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Personally -- and though this may be ironic to say in this context -- I've always felt a really big difference between "2D Little Sisters" and real life. Like you, I immediately saw through Kirino's tsundere act, and it's the same in other anime or eroge or whatever else. They're "little sisters", but I can only ever see them as love interests in their respective stories because of the "tells" they keep showing. To me, it's not so different from a childhood friend, just that they live in the same house, and there's an added story element of taboo to increase the tension/drama. So rather than be grossed out like "oh, I have a sister and this is just wrong!", I just always see it as an alternate reality where things are different. I try to judge in the context of that reality if the relationship portrayed makes sense and how it's justified. I respect that some people can't make that separation for whatever reason (perhaps Kirino really does remind them of their real little sister and so the likeness is too eerie?), but it's never really been an issue for me. "Imouto characters" in anime are cute... but I just don't see the resemblance to real life. My two cents... (Thanks also for your kind words...) Quote:
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(I can only recommend the anime series with some reservation, even though I liked them well enough mostly on account of the universe/theme and the characters (and character designs). If you do watch, start with Crimson S. Worth playing the games too, though they're currently not translated...)
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2013-09-05, 03:36 | Link #493 | |
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2013-09-05, 04:56 | Link #494 | ||||
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The balancing act to not spoil it early for us was tough but as long as valid hints were dropped long the way and didn't just make up a deus ex Kirino then I think author did a great job. I especially liked how the author chose to throw everything into the open right from the 1st of the 3 ending episodes. It's as though the earth rolled off his shoulder and was finally allowed to let the cat of the bag that has almost chewed its way out. Quote:
I'm sure the author took a lot of flak throughout the whole writing and production but the harshest has got to be from denying partisan fans their Kuroneko or Ayase ending. If we're thinking about morality of incest in anime then we're more on worrying about how mainstream media compares to this. But if you're a Kuroneko diehard, the gripe with Kyousuke choosing Kirino is that she's not Kurnoneko. Quote:
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2013-09-05, 06:05 | Link #495 | |
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So with that mind set then I obviously wouldn't see it as wrong in fiction too (although I do understand the whole idea that some things we are okay within fiction we think shouldn't happen in reality).
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2013-09-05, 18:41 | Link #496 | ||
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Having high tolerance for tsun or not aside, it's amazing how different people's view of these "puzzle" characters can be. Many of those who couldn't see past her veil were never able to appreciate her, and and much less accept the ending. At any rate, I really seem to enjoy these characters that require you to pay attention to every expression, and constantly scan their words and actions for hidden messages. Anyways, those who saw these signs were completely fine with (well, the ones who can stomach incest in fiction anyways) the developments, and many didn't seem to have trouble anticipating that this is where the story was headed. Though to be fair, Kyousuke dating Kuroneko almost fooled me into thinking the author had "willingly" changed his mind about the direction of the story at first. Quote:
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2013-09-06, 11:06 | Link #497 |
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Discovered this series on Tuesday, watched entire two seasons + extra on Wednesday and Thursday. Absolutely love it ( I cannot remember when was the last time I laugh so hard XD ).
I laughed, got intense at some of the scenes and I was simply amazed whenever Kyosuke did some kind of stunt. Man... he was really beaten up by literally EVERYBODY in the series and still he go forward. What a man... I somewhat liked the ending... but I am felling that it is not finished. So I am yask since I am not living in Japan and don't follow any news beside the things I read on anime pages.... Will there be something else that will go beyond this ending? LN? VN? Another anime series maybe? Because I feel like the series is not finished, Manami did say "now you say when it is easy and you are kids, what are you going to do when you turn twenty or thirty?" They are in situation when despite what they agreed upon after they kissed ( logical end up for the story ) they still share the same feelings. They both show us that neither of them will get boyfriend or girlfriend since neither of them can suffer for the other one being in relationship with someone, not to mention that neither of them can be without the other one for more than 3 months ( it's less, I know. I am just using the anime line after Kirino left Japan ). For now that is not a problem while they are in school, the problem will come later when they need to start to live 'normal' life. So, anyone... will there be the continuation of the story after season 2? |
2013-09-06, 12:52 | Link #499 |
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Really? Too bad... the story doesn't seem finished at all for me...
And I am the guy who saw Code Geass and said that the story is done even if there are hints that Spoiler for Code Geass ending:
But for Oreimo.... continuation of the story some several years after the ending would be logical from my PoW. But alas, we shall see, maybe one day.... Thanks SigUp for info Last edited by Brother Coa; 2013-09-06 at 14:00. |
2013-09-06, 13:28 | Link #500 |
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Well, that always depends on the viewpoint. For me Oreimo is finished, I don't need anything more for Kirino honestly. That, however, isn't to say that I don't want other installations in the Oreimo universe.
For that Code Geass reference, you'll probably want to put that into spoilers. That's the policy here. Spoiler for Code Geass reference:
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