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Madman6510 · 2011-07-17, 19:46

Desu is the Japanese verb "to be". It's English equivalent would be "is".

That's the polite form anyways. The casual form would just be "da" (だ).

Casual form example:
嘘だ！
uso da!
lie is!
That's a lie!

How do you figure out where the words end? Um, you get used to it I guess... original Roman Latin didn't use spaces either XD Although it gets a lot easier to see where they end when you know the words in the sentence.

You're welcome for the gratuitous Higurashi references, by the way.

kittylyoko · 2011-07-18, 10:20

Kanji and kana show where words end.
In all hiragana and katakana text theres spaces.
But in text with kanji they used the kanji for main words and the beginning of verbs and kana for particuls and verb endings.
At least most the stuff I`ve seen does that.

Oblivion · 2011-07-18, 12:27

Is there a proper patch for Tsubasa out? And is Witch Hunt ever going to fully translate some of the stories?

haguruma · 2011-07-18, 13:32

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Originally Posted by cronnoponno

I noticed with your Japanese writings there are no spaces, how does one determine where the words end?

You get used to it after a while. In the end it's like any other language, sometimes you just recognize the words and most of the time sentences are ordered quite clearly. Most of the time Japanese appears much more structured to me than my own mother tongue (German).
Where it get's really difficult is when you read older texts (or novels that are adapting that style). You wrote without any sentence structuring punctuation in those.

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Originally Posted by kittylyoko

Kanji and kana show where words end.
In all hiragana and katakana text theres spaces.
But in text with kanji they used the kanji for main words and the beginning of verbs and kana for particuls and verb endings.
At least most the stuff I`ve seen does that.

Well, those things can vary...there are instances where this can be used for literary purposes. Like writing a text in all Kana to make it appear like a mess and make readers confuse one word for another.
I think there were some instances where that was done in Umineko as well. Well at least the epitaph was one huge game of wordplay.

I know doing translations is a bitch. Most of the time the stuff I release online (like the interview with Ryûkishi) is not proofread at all and done in quite a hurry. At least for me it's always problematic when I have to think in two languages at once and this is where mistakes come up...so proofreading something often is necessary if you release it even semi-officially like WH is doing it.
It becomes even more difficult if the language you're translating to is not your native language...that's when I translate into English, so I have to think around 2 corners.

Yirba · 2011-07-18, 20:40

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Originally Posted by Oblivion0101

Is there a proper patch for Tsubasa out? And is Witch Hunt ever going to fully translate some of the stories?

The only patch I'm aware of is the one UnknownBeast put together. Witch Hunt are currently focusing on getting the Episode 8 translation done, so they're not going to comment on whether they'll be doing any more translation until after that's released. I do hope a proper translation becomes available, though. Plus, I hope Hobibox will release a download version, too.

cereal_killerxx · 2011-07-19, 01:35

Just curious, but does anybody have a good guess on how long the episode 8 translation will take to finish?

I mean, I'm only barely on episode 2 but I was just curious.

Revelation · 2011-07-19, 01:42

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Originally Posted by cereal_killerxx

Just curious, but does anybody have a good guess on how long the episode 8 translation will take to finish?

I mean, I'm only barely on episode 2 but I was just curious.

Hopefully around early to mid August, usually right before Summer Comiket... But no one except witch-hunt could accurately say right now.

Madman6510 · 2011-07-19, 02:24

The main translator is busier with work than he was before, plus EP8 has some interesting technical issues that they haven't had before (choices, yay!). I expect it to take a bit longer than the previous episodes.

Yirba · 2011-07-19, 13:27

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Originally Posted by Madman6510

The main translator is busier with work than he was before, plus EP8 has some interesting technical issues that they haven't had before (choices, yay!). I expect it to take a bit longer than the previous episodes.

This differs from game to game, but choices generally aren't a huge issue when it comes to translation. Since there is no change in the scripting language and (seemingly) no change in how the script is interpreted, it's mostly a case of string replacement. In other words, any output text is translated, leaving syntax more-or-less intact (in reality, the line in Japanese is commented out and the line in English is inserted underneath).

Of course, there are other factors such as image editing and the in-game grimoires which had to be implemented. Generally speaking, however, what techniques are used does not affect the translation. In fact, it's perfectly feasible for someone to translate a game without understanding any of the code. They just need to find any occurrences of Japanese text and replace it with an English translation.

That said, I'm only speaking generally, so things may be different depending on the game and how it is being translated.

(Obviously any 'optional' text would mean that the amount of text that needs to be translated is greater than the amount of text seen in a single playthrough.)

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Oblivion · 2011-07-19, 15:09

Didn't the choices already get translated. Or is there more after the quiz game and Bern's game?

AuraTwilight · 2011-07-19, 15:15

Those choices are referenced in the form of altered text near the end.

LyricalAura · 2011-07-20, 01:06

Via here, some info about upcoming Umineko releases from Alchemist:

10/20: Umineko no Naku Koro ni Portable 1 (PSP)
11/17: Umineko no Naku Koro ni Portable 2 (PSP)
Winter: Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru (PS3)

The info was apparently gathered from magazines, but I don't know how accurate it is, so take it with a grain of salt.

AuraTwilight · 2011-07-20, 02:10

I think I speak for everyone when I say this.

FFFFFFFFFFYYYYYYYYYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Revelation · 2011-07-20, 02:59

Aweeessoommee news!! (If reliable) I can't even begin to think of all the VA's for the new characters!

And perhaps the release on the PSP could further increase our chances for this to be localized!~

Oblivion · 2011-07-20, 10:13

It is kind of redundant. Even though she's so similar to Bern, I can't really see Yukari voicng Erika. Erika's too annoying of a character for her voice anyways.

Witch of Trolling · 2011-07-20, 10:39

Please tell me this information is true. If it's not, then a piece of my soul will die.

And by winter, do they mean this upcoming one or winter of 2012? For the love of god, tell me it's the former.

GAtakito · 2011-07-20, 11:18

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Originally Posted by Witch of Trolling

And by winter, do they mean this upcoming one or winter of 2012? For the love of god, tell me it's the former.

According to the info which is passing around many japanese blogs, the ps3 chiru will be released this winter 2011.

There's no that much info, besides the name of this new game:

"うみねこのなく頃に散～真実と幻想の夜想曲～"

**Klashikari** · 2011-07-20, 11:34

The sub title can be translated as "Nocturne of Truth and Illusion"

Azule · 2011-07-20, 11:46

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Originally Posted by Golden Dream

And perhaps the release on the PSP could further increase our chances for this to be localized!~

THIS. MOST CERTAINLY THIS.

People say that PSP is better than the PS3 for visual novels, so it shouldn't be localized? No excuse anymore.

**Klashikari** · 2011-07-20, 11:49

I dunno if you realize this, but there is nearly to no VN licensed outside of Japan, regardless if it is for the PS3 or PSP.

The reason is that Sony America refuses to see VN as a game, so long they are only bunch of text without a gameplay. That's why, only "VN" like Hyperdimension Neptunia were brought on our side, while a sizeable amount of regular VN are next to inexistent in english.

Furthermore, not trying to burst people's bubble, but you have to consider the actual profit they can make with such a niche market. And to make things worse, Umineko is hardly as popular as Higurashi and both franchise are arguably not your most popular anime/manga related stories.
Considering how mediocre Rondo sales were, it is quite suicidal to try licensing it now. If some other circumstances are to be applied, it may be a different story.

Either way, let's keep this subject alive on the PS3 thread, translation thread has -nothing- to do with console ports.

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kittylyoko Member Join Date: Jan 2011	Kanji and kana show where words end. In all hiragana and katakana text theres spaces. But in text with kanji they used the kanji for main words and the beginning of verbs and kana for particuls and verb endings. At least most the stuff I`ve seen does that. __________________ Spoiler for Umineko quiz result: http://www.theotaku.com/quizzes/view...ter_are_you%3F

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Oblivion Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010	Is there a proper patch for Tsubasa out? And is Witch Hunt ever going to fully translate some of the stories? Last edited by Oblivion; 2011-07-18 at 13:49.

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AuraTwilight The True Culprit Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The Golden Land	Those choices are referenced in the form of altered text near the end. __________________ When the Silent Spirits Cry: An Umineko/Silent Hill crossover fanfiction http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=4565173&postcount=531

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LyricalAura Dea ex Kakera Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sea of Fragments	Via here, some info about upcoming Umineko releases from Alchemist: 10/20: Umineko no Naku Koro ni Portable 1 (PSP) 11/17: Umineko no Naku Koro ni Portable 2 (PSP) Winter: Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru (PS3) The info was apparently gathered from magazines, but I don't know how accurate it is, so take it with a grain of salt. __________________ "Something has fallen on us that falls very seldom on men; perhaps the worst thing that can fall on them. We have found the truth; and the truth makes no sense."

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AuraTwilight The True Culprit Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The Golden Land	I think I speak for everyone when I say this. FFFFFFFFFFYYYYYYYYYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS __________________ When the Silent Spirits Cry: An Umineko/Silent Hill crossover fanfiction http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=4565173&postcount=531

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Madman6510 Child of Man Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Boise, ID Age: 29	Desu is the Japanese verb "to be". It's English equivalent would be "is". That's the polite form anyways. The casual form would just be "da" (だ). Casual form example: 嘘だ！ uso da! lie is! That's a lie! How do you figure out where the words end? Um, you get used to it I guess... original Roman Latin didn't use spaces either XD Although it gets a lot easier to see where they end when you know the words in the sentence. You're welcome for the gratuitous Higurashi references, by the way.

2011-07-19, 01:35	Link #6666
cereal_killerxx Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007	Just curious, but does anybody have a good guess on how long the episode 8 translation will take to finish? I mean, I'm only barely on episode 2 but I was just curious.

2011-07-19, 02:24	Link #6668
Madman6510 Child of Man Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Boise, ID Age: 29	The main translator is busier with work than he was before, plus EP8 has some interesting technical issues that they haven't had before (choices, yay!). I expect it to take a bit longer than the previous episodes.

2011-07-19, 15:09	Link #6670
Oblivion Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010	Didn't the choices already get translated. Or is there more after the quiz game and Bern's game?

2011-07-20, 02:59	Link #6674
Revelation lorem ipsum dolor sit ame Artist Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: CA, USA Age: 29	Aweeessoommee news!! (If reliable) I can't even begin to think of all the VA's for the new characters! And perhaps the release on the PSP could further increase our chances for this to be localized!~ __________________

2011-07-20, 10:13	Link #6675
Oblivion Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010	It is kind of redundant. Even though she's so similar to Bern, I can't really see Yukari voicng Erika. Erika's too annoying of a character for her voice anyways.

2011-07-20, 10:39	Link #6676
Witch of Trolling Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2011	Please tell me this information is true. If it's not, then a piece of my soul will die. And by winter, do they mean this upcoming one or winter of 2012? For the love of god, tell me it's the former.

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Klashikari 阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180 Graphic Designer Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belgium, Brussels Age: 37	The sub title can be translated as "Nocturne of Truth and Illusion" __________________ [Sig art: Kagura Yuu, Nunukko, Maku Rako & Mishima Kurone] / [Twitter]

2011-07-20, 11:49	Link #6680
Klashikari 阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180 Graphic Designer Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belgium, Brussels Age: 37	I dunno if you realize this, but there is nearly to no VN licensed outside of Japan, regardless if it is for the PS3 or PSP. The reason is that Sony America refuses to see VN as a game, so long they are only bunch of text without a gameplay. That's why, only "VN" like Hyperdimension Neptunia were brought on our side, while a sizeable amount of regular VN are next to inexistent in english. Furthermore, not trying to burst people's bubble, but you have to consider the actual profit they can make with such a niche market. And to make things worse, Umineko is hardly as popular as Higurashi and both franchise are arguably not your most popular anime/manga related stories. Considering how mediocre Rondo sales were, it is quite suicidal to try licensing it now. If some other circumstances are to be applied, it may be a different story. Either way, let's keep this subject alive on the PS3 thread, translation thread has -nothing- to do with console ports. __________________ [Sig art: Kagura Yuu, Nunukko, Maku Rako & Mishima Kurone] / [Twitter]