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Old 2012-12-06, 15:09   Link #21
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I started reading the latest chapter, hoping to see what kind of jutsu the " Fuuton: Kazekiri No Jutsu" was. Somehow, I was disappointed that it turned out to be just the "Shinobi Alliance no Jutsu". I was really looking forward to see this new technique (if there was any). So is this just a "translation mistake"?
The war fan users used this technique in chapter 611 to counter the incoming winds caused by the Jūbi, when it swirled one of its tails.
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Old 2012-12-06, 21:33   Link #22
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That strategy had so much potential, they were all so well cordinated.

needs more hype

+1 for rock lee screen time pls
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Old 2012-12-07, 01:59   Link #23
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Since it's been introduced, I feel like we're bound to see the 8th gate release (and of course it turn out to only be for distraction purposes).
yea it's a weird conundrum since i can't imagine not seeing it before the series ends, but at the same time, none of the villains are low enough on the totem pole for rock lee or gai to take out at this point. so that leaves either combination move or distraction like you said. and it would kind of suck for one of them (probably gai) to die for a combo move or distraction, but if several named good guys die during this fight they will assuredly be brought back to life with rinnegan at some point anyway...
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Old 2012-12-07, 04:11   Link #24
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Who knew there were so many members of the Sarutobi clan still around, I wonder where they have been this whole time. Also seems like they specialise in fire jutsu like the Uchihas did.
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Old 2012-12-07, 07:23   Link #25
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see? i was right all along! the new jutsu is "nakama jutsu"!

why do i get the feeling that even after their efforts to stop the juubi everyone would still be defeated and it would be up to naruto to finish things?
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Old 2012-12-07, 11:33   Link #26
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why do i get the feeling that even after their efforts to stop the juubi everyone would still be defeated and it would be up to naruto to finish things?
After itachi telling naruto to depend on your friends, don't do it alone. I don't see naruto beating them alone but I do see him being the one who gets the final blow. It's naruto verse so anything is possible

I'm shocked that no one has mentioned the kages. It's not a secret that they were fighting madara. Why hasn't any one said "hey why is madara here, wasn't he fighting the kages" did I miss something
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Old 2012-12-07, 11:59   Link #27
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I foresee them losing and then Orochimaru and Sasuke saving the day.
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Old 2012-12-07, 12:11   Link #28
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I'm shocked that no one has mentioned the kages. It's not a secret that they were fighting madara. Why hasn't any one said "hey why is madara here, wasn't he fighting the kages" did I miss something
Aren't they sharing intels in real time? So maybe most of them already know how the Kages are doin'? I'm not sure myself.

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I foresee them losing and then Orochimaru and Sasuke saving the day.
Or, Kishi saves Sasuke, Team Taka, and Orochi for another arc (whether it's a good or a bad move).
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Old 2012-12-07, 12:23   Link #29
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I'm shocked that no one has mentioned the kages. It's not a secret that they were fighting madara. Why hasn't any one said "hey why is madara here, wasn't he fighting the kages" did I miss something
ch601 p3 naruto immediately asks about them when madara shows up
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Old 2012-12-07, 14:40   Link #30
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After itachi telling naruto to depend on your friends, don't do it alone. I don't see naruto beating them alone but I do see him being the one who gets the final blow. It's naruto verse so anything is possible

I'm shocked that no one has mentioned the kages. It's not a secret that they were fighting madara. Why hasn't any one said "hey why is madara here, wasn't he fighting the kages" did I miss something
It seems either the reinforcements that came to help Naruto don't know the kages were fighting Madara or they just forgot so they didn't mention why Madara was there and what happened to the Kage's.

It will be interesting to see how people in Naruto react to Orochimaru being back and if Sasuke met Madara how Madara would react to seeing an Uchiha who looks similar to his brother.

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Old 2012-12-08, 06:47   Link #31
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After itachi telling naruto to depend on your friends, don't do it alone. I don't see naruto beating them alone but I do see him being the one who gets the final blow. It's naruto verse so anything is possible.
hey you never know! you have to admit that naruto has a terrible messiah complex so my concern is not exactly baseless.
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Old 2012-12-08, 12:08   Link #32
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Obito: Lets kill them all right now and achieve our goal.
Madara: No. We'll stand here and do nothing so that the author can convey a message.
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Old 2012-12-09, 12:15   Link #33
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I foresee them losing and then Orochimaru and Sasuke saving the day.
Kishimoto might as well take a giant dump on his manga if he did that. Thankfully, Sasuke has his own sub-plot.

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Aren't they sharing intels in real time? So maybe most of them already know how the Kages are doin'? I'm not sure myself
Temari should at least know something bad happened to the Kages since Madara is standing there and she left while Madara was about the fight the Kages. But she is too busy getting excited about being Mrs. Temari Nara to worry about her brother getting slaughtered.

Also, I bet you anything, Inoichi starts bleeding again next chapter and Shika's dad can't talk to the Alliance. With no one to tell them what to do, the Alliance will fall apart until another leader emerges.

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Obito: Lets kill them all right now and achieve our goal.
Madara: No. We'll stand here and do nothing so that the author can convey a message.
Like this doesn't happen in every shonen manga. Kishi learned well from the master of having characters stand there and prattle on before they fight, Akira Toriyama. Kubo, Oda, Togashi, Mashima, etc. They all do it.
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Old 2012-12-09, 17:27   Link #34
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Obito: Lets kill them all right now and achieve our goal.
Madara: No. We'll stand here and do nothing so that the author can convey a message.
At least the author invented some circumstances that make it reasonable. First the incomplete 10-tails has some chakra limit, so if they keep using it's large scale attacks then it'll run out of chakra and break down. Then the second thing is that they need some time to have the 10-tails ready. And of course there's no reason for them to panic since Madara defeated the 5 kages and killed all the fodders using his double-meteor. Also it seems Madara doesn't like Obito rushing the plan, so he is probably so passive because he wouldn't mind if the plan failed and he could play with the ninja a little bit more, he likes battles and wars.
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Old 2012-12-09, 22:54   Link #35
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I don't see naruto beating them alone but I do see him being the one who gets the final blow.
Maybe Kishi might surprise us. Juho-rasen-love love-sōshiken anyone?
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Old 2012-12-10, 11:06   Link #36
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At least the author invented some circumstances that make it reasonable. First the incomplete 10-tails has some chakra limit, so if they keep using it's large scale attacks then it'll run out of chakra and break down. Then the second thing is that they need some time to have the 10-tails ready. And of course there's no reason for them to panic since Madara defeated the 5 kages and killed all the fodders using his double-meteor. Also it seems Madara doesn't like Obito rushing the plan, so he is probably so passive because he wouldn't mind if the plan failed and he could play with the ninja a little bit more, he likes battles and wars.
The way Obito described the moon eye plan as bringing peace doesn't seem like a plan that exactly fits Madara's character.

It would make sense if its shown that Madara didn't say the whole truth to Obito when describing the moon eye plan. And if Madara plans to control people rather then bring peace with the moon eye plan or make a world with constant war.
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Old 2012-12-10, 13:01   Link #37
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The way Obito described the moon eye plan as bringing peace doesn't seem like a plan that exactly fits Madara's character.
It did fit the old Madara's plan considering all they years he lived after his defeat. But it seems that the resurrected guy is much more close in character to the one who challenged the 1st hokage to fight, the one from Oonoki's flashback. I didn't expect Madara to be some kind of criminal mastermind who lectures Obito about being too hasty. And so i didn't expect him to be interesting enough to be the final villain, but looking at the recent events it seems he has to be the final villain now. He is powerful enough to be the final villain, but his character is not too interesting at the moment compared to how interesting Tobi could be if he was not Obito (my bet was Izuna, which seemed more interesting than what we have now).

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It would make sense if its shown that Madara didn't say the whole truth to Obito when describing the moon eye plan. And if Madara plans to control people rather then bring peace with the moon eye plan or make a world with constant war.
That could be the case, but either way "peace" doesn't mean happiness. There's peace in North Korea too right now, but it surely is not a nice place to live
If Madara is the final villain then Kishimoto will show his motivation too. I mean he seems to be addicted to battles and wars, and real battles have a risk too. So if he were to control everything in a genjutsu world then there would not exist real battles because he would have total control over everyhing. It's like having a gambling addict see the future outcomes, that would ruin his life since he would know the outcome of all games and it wouldn't be possible for him to play real games any more. So if Madara turns out to be a fighting addict then he would not want to be a god, because then he could not have real fights any more.
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Old 2012-12-10, 14:00   Link #38
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So if Madara turns out to be a fighting addict then he would not want to be a god, because then he could not have real fights any more.
he cant have real fights anymore as it is. or so he believes. i'm sure some super ninja will come along in the form of powered up naruto and/or sasuke, but madara just smoked all 5 kages at once. he's already a god and there are no challengers to give him a rush. even if hashirama is resurrected, he still wont be enough to face edo-madara. maybe a dream world is the only place he can have a risky fight
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Old 2012-12-10, 14:27   Link #39
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he cant have real fights anymore as it is. or so he believes. i'm sure some super ninja will come along in the form of powered up naruto and/or sasuke, but madara just smoked all 5 kages at once. he's already a god and there are no challengers to give him a rush. even if hashirama is resurrected, he still wont be enough to face edo-madara. maybe a dream world is the only place he can have a risky fight
I didn't see it like that, there were moments when they got pretty close to him. Of course Madara would not want them or anyone to be as strong as he is, but he would like to have people who are decently strong and come at him with killing intent. When people drive very fast or climb mountains/buildings, etc. they are seeking risk which then gives them that adrenaline boost. When they do these extreme sports they seek the risk because it's a drug for them, but that risk is not really high, they are not crazy to do suicide. For Madara fighting 5 kages is the same, there's a risk but he is in control of events. If you're a god there's no risk (it's like playing the thing on a computer/console, it's not the real thing) and no adrenaline or whatever substance that begins to flow in the brains of addicts and they enjoy it. So what i meant if he's an omnipotent god there's no enjoyment in fighting if he is an addict, but of course it's just my assumption that Madara is addicted to this fighting lifestyle. He definitely enjoyed fighting the alliance army and the kages. Actually when he beat the kages and he made his speech about Hashirama it seemed that he was disappointed that in the end the fight was not interesting enough. Then i remembered Goku who always wanted to have good fights above all else, of course in this case we could immagine an evil-goku Previously we didn't have such a character in this manga who just wants to fight for the enjoyment of fighting and not for some goals (both Sasuke and Naruto fight for a reason, not just because they enjoy it), so i was thinking maybe Madara could be such a character.
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Old 2012-12-10, 22:06   Link #40
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Then i remembered Goku who always wanted to have good fights above all else, of course in this case we could immagine an evil-goku Previously we didn't have such a character in this manga who just wants to fight for the enjoyment of fighting and not for some goals (both Sasuke and Naruto fight for a reason, not just because they enjoy it), so i was thinking maybe Madara could be such a character.
we have had characters like that before in akatsuki like deidara and hidan who just wanted to fight for the thrill of it. that lifestyle worked better for them since they were around kage level and did have a threat to them whether they chose to acknowledge it or not (which they didn't since they were both egomaniacs as well). but for madara, he's already too strong to be able to live like that. there doesn't really get much better an opponent in the ninja world than all 5 kages at once. and even though it wasn't an easy fight, he not only beat them, he taunted them the entire time suggesting that he had plenty of time to think and be disappointed in their performance. i think it is god level. he has infinite chakra and cannot be destroyed. all he can be is sealed which is the typical downfall for an omnipotent immortal in stories.

i agree that madara playing puppetmaster in a dream wouldn't be fun for him, but i also dont think that's what he really wants. if he were to setup something like the cell games in a tsukiomi world and power everyone up then that would be more his style. i'm not saying that's exactly what he wants either, but i highly doubt peace or full control over everyone's actions are what he wants. i think he probably only wants a new rival to replace hashirama
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