Lucky Star (Generic Discussion thread)

[7Th]

Originally Posted by Skane

Okay, okay... looks like I need to expand my vocabulary again. What do you guys mean by "sakuga quality"?

Eh?

This:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yhGTCiBg9mk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_g3UVuJ7GpY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QAcW_Xh6XQs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GELrsEZ5Ij0

And KyoAni isn't sakuga, can you anime a single sakkan behind their works? They're unknown because all they do is insert a number of inbetween frames that still don't show anything behind them but an uninspired motion. But I guess that in this forum, I'm the only one to think this, so I'll stop this silly debate now and let you keep calling Lucky Star as sakuga as you want to.

[Klashikari]

it is kinda weird to compare action good sakuga quality, with only a youtube poor quality video of a OP...

actually, i feel the animation and the draw style / contents of the OP fits pretty well with the characters personality and themes of the show...
meh, sounds like it is more a conflict of tastes than really a problem of quality here.

[mist2123]

moe!!!!!!!!!! i think i need the HD raw (if there is one)

[7Th]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

it is kinda weird to compare action good sakuga quality, with only a youtube poor quality video of a OP...

actually, i feel the animation and the draw style / contents of the OP fits pretty well with the characters personality and themes of the show...
meh, sounds like it is more a conflict of tastes than really a problem of quality here.

Slice of life sakuga:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p20_N1czwKM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XwrqBxIM29Q

[Skane]

Originally Posted by 7Th

This:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yhGTCiBg9mk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_g3UVuJ7GpY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QAcW_Xh6XQs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GELrsEZ5Ij0

And KyoAni isn't sakuga, can you anime a single sakkan behind their works? They're unknown because all they do is insert a number of inbetween frames that still don't show anything behind them but an uninspired motion. But I guess that in this forum, I'm the only one to think this, so I'll stop this silly debate now and let you keep calling Lucky Star as sakuga as you want to.

Erm... I wasn't asking for video links. I was asking for an explanation on the meaning of "sakuga quality". Still, after googling around (and ironically, this thread was number one ), it seems AnimeSuki already has a post that explains the meaning (and "sakkan" as well).

Link

Cheers.

[Cai Calamigarde]

Screencaps and opening from Random Curiosity;
A big "thank you" to Omni for blogging... THANKS

http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007...lucky-star-01/

[Dop]

Oh my. The OP has me sold.

I just picture some meeting at Kyoto Animation. Head of Animation stands up and starts to speak.
"Right lads, people went nuts over Hare Hare Yukai. Let's go one better, OK?"
Cries of "BANZAI!" from animation team.
(mutters into drink) "At least then they might shut up about us doing this instead of Haruhi 2..."

Looking forward to the subs. I'm sure there will be many.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Skane

Okay, okay... looks like I need to expand my vocabulary again. What do you guys mean by "sakuga quality"?

Eh?

Well, here's wao's definition of it. So combining it with those video examples may help.


Sloooooow typing response again.

[Asrialys]

My mouse has a chronic clicking problem. It won't stop pressing play on the OP video...

[mist2123]

yep the OP video is addicting

[Mentar]

Okay. I'll out myself as a heretic, prepared to be tarred and feathered, but I want to be honest: If this show hadn't been animated by KyoAni, I doubt it would have had any impact at all. It would have been one of many.

Lots of 4-koma style humor, but was it so funny? Without translations - no. And I've been talking to 3 independent translators now, where noone was impressed.

What remains is a catchy OP. But if you're hoping for another KyoAni masterpiece, I'd recommend to lower the expectations back to realistic levels, quickly.

[Lost]

Lol, there's a real damper. Well, thanks for that warning, I guess.

[Skane]

Originally Posted by orion

Well, here's wao's definition of it. So combining it with those video examples may help.

Coincidentally, I just linked to it in my previous post. From what I gather, "sakuga quality" has a lot to do with animation consistency which in case, KyoAni oozes it in spades. The anti-thesis studio is probably GONZO where their "animation style" and "character animation consistency" regularly mutates every 3rd episode or so (if not more frequently).

Cabbage Love of course, is probably the current poster series for low "sakuga quality".

In short, one doesn't need to worry much (if at all) about low "sakuga quality" from KyoAni. Other good studios that I can think of (when it comes to this matter) include J.C. STAFF and BONES.

Cheers.

[Omniscient]

Originally Posted by Mentar

Okay. I'll out myself as a heretic, prepared to be tarred and feathered, but I want to be honest: If this show hadn't been animated by KyoAni, I doubt it would have had any impact at all. It would have been one of many.

Lots of 4-koma style humor, but was it so funny? Without translations - no. And I've been talking to 3 independent translators now, where noone was impressed.

What remains is a catchy OP. But if you're hoping for another KyoAni masterpiece, I'd recommend to lower the expectations back to realistic levels, quickly.

I agree with Mentar 100% on this. It was amusing to watch, but I didn't feel the first episode was that great overall because the humor really wasn't there for me.

[Kisuke06]

Great OP! Not only the music is addicting but the OP itself is very good!

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Dop

I just picture some meeting at Kyoto Animation. Head of Animation stands up and starts to speak.
"Right lads, people went nuts over Hare Hare Yukai. Let's go one better, OK?"
Cries of "BANZAI!" from animation team.
(mutters into drink) "At least then they might shut up about us doing this instead of Haruhi 2..."

Oh shit. It could be true.

[Ascaloth]

Originally Posted by 7Th

This:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yhGTCiBg9mk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_g3UVuJ7GpY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QAcW_Xh6XQs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GELrsEZ5Ij0

And KyoAni isn't sakuga, can you anime a single sakkan behind their works? They're unknown because all they do is insert a number of inbetween frames that still don't show anything behind them but an uninspired motion. But I guess that in this forum, I'm the only one to think this, so I'll stop this silly debate now and let you keep calling Lucky Star as sakuga as you want to.

Originally Posted by 7Th

Slice of life sakuga:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p20_N1czwKM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XwrqBxIM29Q

KyoAni, unknown. I don't know whether to laugh, or cry. Instead, I'll give you this.

Originally Posted by kj1980

Kyo-Ani

Abbreviation for the anime production studio Kyoto Animation. Obviously, the name comes from because that they are located in Kyoto.

They started off as a finalization touch up studio for Mushi-Pro. However, as their production values increased, they became a gross-uke (a secondary genga studio responsible to make several episodes at the request of a larger company). Their high quality job began to be noticed by major studios such as Shin-ei, Sunrise, and Pierrot. Their quality was so high that the major studios actually reshuffled some episodes to match Kyo-Ani's schedules so they could get a very important episode that is worthy of a high quality animation.

Their major breakthrough came when they were given the entire anime production rights for "Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu." Many fans had its doubts, especially when they knew how GONZO screwed up the first "Full Metal Panic!", let alone having a company that not many people (other than people outside of the industry) knew about. However, when the box was opened, the beautiful OP sequence and vivid colors of the animation substantially increased Kyo-Ani's name as a "high quality animation studio." When they pulled off "AIR" with godly sakuga quality of flowing hairs and masterful storyline true to the original story, Kyo-Ani was established as a reputable anime production studio.

Since then, they were given "Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu," and currently makes "Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu." This autumn, they will release the remake of "Kanon," which is highly rumored that Baba CEO of Key/VisualArt's personally requested to Kyo-Ani. Gatoh Shoji, the author of "Full Metal Panic," also has a large preference of Kyo-Ani's production quality that it is highly expected that other "Full Metal Panic!" novels will become animated through Kyo-Ani as well. Kyo-Ani has established itself as a respected company in the tough world of anime production companies; so much that once fans learn that a certain title will be made by Kyo-Ani, they all sigh in relief and praise that the title was "worthy of being animated by the gods at Kyo-Ani."

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...t=29911&page=2

A troll you are, so troll I call you. And it looks like you're behind the times, troll.

And just to rub this into your trollish face,

Kanon (2006) Episode 1, animated by Kyoto Animation

AIR (TV) Episode 1, animated by Kyoto Animation

Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu Episode 2, animated by Kyoto Animation

That is all. Ascaloth, out.

[Skane]

Originally Posted by Mentar

Okay. I'll out myself as a heretic, prepared to be tarred and feathered, but I want to be honest: If this show hadn't been animated by KyoAni, I doubt it would have had any impact at all. It would have been one of many.

Lots of 4-koma style humor, but was it so funny? Without translations - no. And I've been talking to 3 independent translators now, where noone was impressed.

What remains is a catchy OP. But if you're hoping for another KyoAni masterpiece, I'd recommend to lower the expectations back to realistic levels, quickly.

Originally Posted by Omniscient

I agree with Mentar 100% on this. It was amusing to watch, but I didn't feel the first episode was that great overall because the humor really wasn't there for me.

Aye. I did "preach" in this thread beforehand to warn people not to expect to the third impact or something. Lucky Star is most probably KyoAni's way of having some light-hearted fun before they get back to their "more serious" projects.

Natch.

[7Th]

Originally Posted by Skane

Coincidentally, I just linked to it in my previous post. From what I gather, "sakuga quality" has a lot to do with animation consistency which in case, KyoAni oozes it in spades. The anti-thesis studio is probably GONZO where their "animation style" and "character animation consistency" regularly mutates every 3rd episode or so (if not more frequently).

Cabbage Love of course, is probably the current poster series for low "sakuga quality".

In short, one doesn't need to worry much (if at all) about low "sakuga quality" from KyoAni. Other good studios that I can think of (when it comes to this matter) include J.C. STAFF and BONES.

Cheers.

That's not entirely true but not false for that matter. The term is probably really ambiguous as it is, my definition is probably more ad-hoc to the second one wao mentioned, as it is less about consistency, in fact I believe that in a way it limit the in individual animators, which doesn't matters to me at all and more about the movement-style itself.

[Jiji]

I'm sorry, but if the "humour isn't there" then that has nothing to do with KyoAni. They're an *animation* studio, not the writers or directors.