2007-10-27, 09:20 | Link #121 |
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Interesting conversation here about whether Kyou is a tsundere or not at this point of the anime... personally I think that Kyou isn't a tsundere until for whatever reason, she starts to be infatuated with Tomoya. And since (in her mind) someone as "tough" as her shouldn't be in love with someone such as him, she uses her tsun side to hide that fact (and quite possibly overdoing it as well), whle her dere side shows up in longing looks she give him when she thinks no one else is watching. (and heaven help Tomoya if Kyou gets up enough nerve to show her dere side to him! )
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2007-10-27, 13:15 | Link #122 | |
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#1 She started tsuntsun but already friendly with Tomoya, so unless she becomes more deredere towards Tomoya, she wouldn't become a traditional type tsundere. #2 Kyou hasn't acted tsuntsun towards Tomoya to hide that she's beginning to like him. (A very, very typical traditional tsundere reaction.) If you're a traditional type (a Shiraishist like most say), you probably don't believe Kagami is a tsundere, or Asuna, or Anya, or Vita (MahouShoujoNanoha), or Tamaki Kousaka (ToHeart2), since traditional tsundere focuses more on character development rather than personality. Fujibayashi Kyou falls on the modern type tsundere since she's a girl with a quick attitude. And when I meant quick attitude/hotheaded/anything-you-can-call-it, that's her normal behaviour. So in short, she's normally a tsuntsun, but deredere inside. If you weigh the deredere side to be more obvious, the character would fall to the side of being a typical moe and not a tsundere. Read my simple explanation: http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...6&postcount=86 I did say there that the tsuntsun side should be more obvious than the deredere, meaning... you're a tsuntsun in nature. Which is what I've been saying all this time. And nope, I didn't edit that so it would go to my side, look at the date it was last edited. 10/25/2007 That should be more clear |
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2007-10-27, 13:18 | Link #123 |
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As far as the tsundere thing goes i have buried the hatchet for now, but i would like to remind people of this - don't forget to use spoiler tags when giving away information about characters from other shows. Not everyone has seen them.
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2007-10-28, 04:32 | Link #124 | |
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Actually, I still say you widened the definition of Modern Tsundere to the limits. This is the definition of Modern Tsundere, as far as I know: Modern Tsundere: The new, evolved version of tsundere is a person whose emotions and feelings towards a person outwardly change frequently and may display many different personalities, sometimes to the point that can be considered as bipolar. However, the type of behavior you consider as tsundere is closer to a tough-minded person who also has a soft side, which is NOT started by having feelings for a person. I'll state this again: Tsundere, whatever your standards, starts BECAUSE you have feelings fopr someone, whether it be love of deep friendship. |
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2007-10-28, 18:40 | Link #128 |
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Probably because the definition of tsundere has changed (is changing?) over the years...
Besides.. there's always a group of people that will fall in love with a character due to her 'tsundere'ness, while there will be people that will hate a character once the word tsundere appears in the description. Either that... or it's that anime fans are obsessed with the truth, and seek nothing more than to define the grey areas of the tsundere debate.... *** Anyways, back to Kyou.... (Maybe we should drop the tsundere issue, and hope for her story to begin soon.) So.... anyone have any guess as to how Kyou's story will play out here? Last edited by eMpTy265; 2007-10-28 at 22:17. Reason: I think I should stay away from the tsundere discussion :p |
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And tough-minded isn't exactly the right word to describe tsuntsun, a tough-minded person is a strong-willed person, a tsuntsun (quick-temper/hotheaded) person can be tough-minded and weak-minded as well. Just imagine a girl who gets mad most of the time... and there you have, a tsuntsun person. Taken from Japanese tsundere wiki: ツンツンデレ ツンの部分が非常に多く、なかなかデレの部分が見れないこと。 Tsuntsun-Dere Their Tsun side is extraordinarily high, you won't see their "dere" side that much. Kyou is a tsuntsun-dere type because her tsuntsun side is what most of us see and we don't see her deredere side as much. デレツン 普段はデレ状態だが、一定の条件下になるとツン状態になる(ツンデレの正反対)。 Dere-Tsun: Usually "dere" but when certain condition arises, they become "tsun" (Exact oposite of Tsundere) The bipolar you speak of is the exact opposite of tsundere and it means "dere-tsun." If you'll remember Eps. 04 of CLANNAD, Tomoyo displayed this kind of behaviour just once Spoiler:
But as you can see, I don't consider bipolars to be tsundere. Hmm... wait... scratch that... for some reason, it's making me think Hiiragi Kagami is a bipolar tsundere... because she's normally normal, but would always suddenly go tsuntsun because of Konata XD Quote:
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Anyway, this would be my last reply to this tsundere thing, really! Throw some dictionaries at me if I still reply about it... Hahaha... I've wasted so much time on this but debating it with others was quite fun, honestly speaking. But the fact that we were victims of the endless fight betweem "she is" and "she is not" wouldn't disappear... :P Last edited by dgreater1; 2007-10-28 at 20:41. |
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2007-12-14, 04:55 | Link #135 |
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I agree with Kang Seung Jae. As a character, Kyou is absolutely fantastic. However, I just don't really see her as lead character material...but as a more of a side character, I can't think of many better than her. That's why I'm firmly in support of Tomoya + Nagisa, but Kyou would still probably be one of my favorite characters outside of that.
Makes me pretty curious as to how they will handle Kyou's arc...it feels like there's already been a lot of buildup for it. |
2007-12-14, 06:11 | Link #136 | |
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I can understand the Mai/Tomoyo connection (capable fighters?), but where does Makoto/Kyou come from? I don't see any connection there, at all.
I can also tell you right now that the Mai/Tomoyo similarities stop there. The stories are completely different. Quote:
There's a lot more than buildup, the stage is practically set for Kyou's arc. The references, although only between the twins, are numerous. Especially at ep 11 where Kyou pretty much tells Tomoya enough for him to figure it out. From what he overhear about "rivals in love" at the end and Kyou's words at the bus station, all we need is the trigger and it's Kyou's arc.
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2007-12-14, 09:30 | Link #139 |
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If I actually HAD to draw parallels between Clannad and Kanon, those would be mine as well. But damn, trying to think about the similarities really makes you appreciate just how different the elements of the two stories are. I remember a lot of comparison between Kanon and Clannad when the series first started, but those died down pretty quick.
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2007-12-15, 06:05 | Link #140 |
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In my opinion, as far as we have seen up to ep. 11, Kyou seems to have had most diverse portrayal of herself. Her range of emotions and reactions far surpasses all other characters at this moment(Please consider that range and depth does not mean same thing). If this keeps up, I might wave Kyou's banner instead of Tomoyo once I find something I really like.
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