2009-09-10, 12:33 | Link #981 |
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I don't actually read the manga, so I don't get the spoilers before I work on/watch the show. That way I can't spoil it for anyone else. My fact check actually came from my friend who read a certain group's statement on their post to Toshokan saying "Filler ep". Upon seeing that she said only the Midori part was. And then she showed me the manga.
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2009-09-10, 13:07 | Link #983 | |
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But that young lady has become quite good now. If you're Kou, that is
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2009-09-10, 17:19 | Link #985 | |
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2009-09-10, 18:19 | Link #986 | |
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2009-09-10, 22:38 | Link #987 | |
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2009-09-11, 13:39 | Link #988 | |
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1. the college team coach, who is also the national team coach, made it a point to ask who Aoba was after the throw from center to home; 2. the best slugger on the college team, who (if I recall) is also the clean up hitter of the national team, acknowledges that Aoba is really good and that not being able to hit her throws is nothing to be embarrassed about; 3. by the end of the game, the college/national team coach knew that Aoba was on the Seishu team. That last item was an attempt by the anime people at Adachi-style subtlety. They did not show us that the college/national team coach was doing a background check. But he very clearly knew more about Aoba by the end of the game than he did when it began. Take note that he too was surprised when the high school team switched pitchers mid-game, indicating that he did not even know Aoba played the pitcher position. And we were not talking about Aoba's batting. Up to this point, her batting has not been an important detail to the story. |
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2009-09-11, 14:00 | Link #989 | |
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I see it this way, she had two choices, stay at Seishu and help kou or join the women national team and shine probably become the best woman baseball player in Japan or maybe even the world. Which one was more important to her is obvious, but it also showed that it is more important to her to play with the boys than the girls. |
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2009-09-11, 14:06 | Link #990 |
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I'd doubt the anime producers intention was to go as far as to demerit the value of girl baseball as to say that a girl will be leagues better because she was sexist and trained with the boys.
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2009-09-11, 14:16 | Link #992 |
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We are not talking about Adachi though, but about the anime production team which is in charge of the spoilers Given that this is a TV broadcast, one would assume that they are under heavier scrutiny here.
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2009-09-11, 14:19 | Link #993 |
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Really? How about the other works of his (as well as others with a similar theme, if we have to narrow it down) already adapted, with girls simply wanting to be team managers or housewives or supportive of the main male characters or whatever other stereotypes you might recall? Are those any less sexist? And, if so, does it even matter, in terms of the enjoyment of the shows?
I, honestly, don't think so.
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2009-09-11, 14:22 | Link #994 |
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Again, as much as I may or may not agree with you (mostly not since most of those works date from back in the 80's, his more recent works, Katsu, Cross Game feature the women in much more prominent positions, and even count as a social critique against sexism), but in any case Adachi was not the one who decided to animate a game against a female team, hence why I don't think the point is relevant either way in this case.
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2009-09-11, 14:27 | Link #995 | |
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Spoiler for ending specifc for THAT manga:
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2009-09-11, 14:32 | Link #996 |
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And that was one of the shows I was referring to as an old show. i think it is a little unfair to judge his works without taking into account the time and space context. (Japan was a little late to enter the feminism movement.)
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2009-09-11, 17:06 | Link #997 |
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Hmmm... the "show" golthin mentioned cannot really be considered an old one, since
Spoiler for spoiler for series in question:
As for the anime team's decision to animate the game, really, it's not all that contrary to the manga, as Aoba does state - at least once - that she has no interest in women's baseball (and that's not really a spoiler, for those that are worried).
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2009-09-11, 17:07 | Link #998 |
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Well in that case I am thinking on a different one which used the same pattern. In which case you have now spoiled the ending since I had not seen it, thank you very much. Can you edit the dates out, so that other people are not spoiled please?
As for your second assessment, what it can be certainly interpreted in the way you intend it to be, it can be in a variety of other ways as well; the simplest of which is because she has played all her life in boys leagues, and he has no interest of trying new things, as simple as that.
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2009-09-11, 17:19 | Link #999 | |
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P.S. I'd have to see where Cross Game goes before I judge whether it's actually "sexist" or not. That being said I think the early Adachi stories (Touch) reflected their time with regards to gender roles and I don't find them particularly sexist taken context.
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2009-09-11, 17:20 | Link #1000 | |
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Like I stated above, I merely expanded on the comment - not once did I talk about the ending, simply to the date of "exhibition". Neither have I mentioned the name of the series. Some people see spoilerific comments everywhere, these days. Makes one afraid to respond to anything, really...
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