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yamato_D · 2006-07-19, 00:37

i'm currently watching the bounto fillers, and urahara explained to ichigo why he can't use bankai, sort of. i still didn't understand the entirety of it. so ichigo is weaker in the real world... why? i understand that captains and vice-captains have their strengths lowered 5X (which i think is stupid), but why would it change for ichigo? also, since he can't use bankai, does that mean that his normal abilities are lowered also? just curious, because he's sucked so far in this arc. he can't even beat a shinigami who easily lost to kenpachi.

Thewanderer · 2006-07-19, 00:50

Ichigo isn't effected by the 80% weaker thing. He just can't seem to Bankai in the human world for some reason.

And a safe bet would be that Ichinose has trained to Bankai himself after the last Kenpachi encounter.

Cooldude · 2006-07-19, 01:29

Because the producers decide that Ichigo Bankai would've pwned those Bount so bad that they decided to nerf him for the time being

Sunabouzu · 2006-07-19, 02:22

I think it´s because the shinigami-world is a spirit-world and there is as good as everywhere spirit-energy in the air (you know what i mean xD) so it was easier to use bankai in the soule-society...now he sucked in the real world but soon he will be alble to use bankai again^^ and will kick the asses of the bounto...so i hope at least -.-

Thewanderer · 2006-07-19, 03:12

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Originally Posted by Sunabouzu

I think it´s because the shinigami-world is a spirit-world and there is as good as everywhere spirit-energy in the air (you know what i mean xD) so it was easier to use bankai in the soule-society...now he sucked in the real world but soon he will be alble to use bankai again^^ and will kick the asses of the bounto...so i hope at least -.-

If that were true, it'd apply to Renji too, and if you seen the ep90 preview...

Sunabouzu · 2006-07-19, 03:14

maybe it's because that Ichigo is still human?

Thewanderer · 2006-07-19, 03:38

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Originally Posted by Sunabouzu

maybe it's because that Ichigo is still human?

He became a full-Shinigami in spiritmode after Urahara's training, so I doubt that's it.

janmurphy · 2006-07-19, 03:44

Hes a full shinegami but he has a human body, (is what i think suna means) which none of the other full shinegami have. Or maybe its the badge Ukitate gave him, but thats a shoot in the dark from me.

Illuyankas · 2006-07-19, 08:19

It's an anime thread janmurphy, not everyone reads the manga. Spoiler your post.

AKDieseL · 2006-07-19, 09:32

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Originally Posted by Cooldude

Because the producers decide that Ichigo Bankai would've pwned those Bount so bad that they decided to nerf him for the time being

Theres your answer

D a m i e n · 2006-07-19, 10:57

Welcome to the wonderfull land of filler and denial of previous devellopement.

Filler = dumb down the show making it ridiculous... ichigo struggling against some trash mobs in filler is in complete contraction with what we saw previously... it s like naruto defeating Gaara then struggling against some nonamed filler vilain... anyway those show are worthless atm

they cant let the character evolves because that devellopment would be in contradiction with the manga when the anime would go back to the manga plot. Making him face opponent bigger than the hollow thingy and letting him use his bankai would make the hollow thingy from the manga look gimpy. Therefore filler = sucky opponent + bankai nerf + memwipe of previous devellopement for the suck

Cooldude · 2006-07-19, 11:35

Still would've preferred if they did some Fumoffu like fillers, Bleach-humour's superb

And the sudden disappearance of any Hollows is kinda a put-off

Thewanderer · 2006-07-19, 12:11

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Originally Posted by D a m i e n

Welcome to the wonderfull land of filler and denial of previous devellopement.

Filler = dumb down the show making it ridiculous... ichigo struggling against some trash mobs in filler is in complete contraction with what we saw previously... it s like naruto defeating Gaara then struggling against some nonamed filler vilain... anyway those show are worthless atm

they cant let the character evolves because that devellopment would be in contradiction with the manga when the anime would go back to the manga plot. Making him face opponent bigger than the hollow thingy and letting him use his bankai would make the hollow thingy from the manga look gimpy. Therefore filler = sucky opponent + bankai nerf + memwipe of previous devellopement for the suck

That don't have anything to do with it at all. Gaining his Bankai back is the GOAL of the arc... if there was a different one, he wouldn't be be weaker. Don't blame it on "filler".

Filler this, filler that. Every chance ppl get to bash it, no matter how illogical, you guys take it

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Originally Posted by Cooldude

And the sudden disappearance of any Hollows is kinda a put-off

Wow, I'm not the only one who noticed the lack of hollows...

Mr. DJ · 2006-07-19, 12:15

I'd say for the same reason you see Naruto get smacked around in the filler arcs, don't want any character development there to conflict w/ the actual manga (tear drop)

Didn't they also say earlier in the arc that if Ichigo used his bankai the city would of been basically fuxxored big time? :P

edit: Maybe the Afro Shinigami has been taking out the Hollows

Thewanderer · 2006-07-19, 12:30

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Originally Posted by DjTrizz

I'd say for the same reason you see Naruto get smacked around in the filler arcs, don't want any character development there to conflict w/ the actual manga (tear drop)

Again, a filler basher ignores me...

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Originally Posted by DjTrizz

edit: Maybe the Afro Shinigami has been taking out the Hollows

He totally wins then for not sucking any more.

Flashdance · 2006-07-19, 12:35

Actually Ichigo cant use Bankai because he has been made a shinigami apprentice
before he left Soul Society. They also gave him that wodden sign which he could use to change into shinigami form...
Thats why a few bounto´s called him shinigami-boy or something like that, because he isnt a full shinigami... though he is sort of "registered" in Soul society now, thats why they are able to limit Ichigo´s power in the real world....
And the reason why the power of Shinigamis (especially the one´s who have achieved Bankai) are limited has allready been said. (because their powers would cause to much damage in the real world)...

Varis · 2006-07-19, 12:42

Ichigo is not restricted in the human world. The only possible explanation would be the environment. In soul society everything is spirit so he has a easier time to use it. Kinda like Ishida was stronger in SS.

So he just has to learn to use Bankai in a less than perfect condition.

Mr. DJ · 2006-07-19, 12:56

I'm not bashing anything...I actually like the fillers for the most part

Flashdance · 2006-07-19, 13:14

This is when Ichigo became a Shinigami Apprentice

[img=http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/6903/bscap0ay9.th.jpg]

This is shortly after Ichigo couldnt use his Bankai.

This is when Renji tells Ichigo about powerlimiting in the RealWorld...

The fact that in Soul Society there is more spiritual energy could also be another factor that adds to this...

Thewanderer · 2006-07-19, 13:15

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Originally Posted by Varis

Ichigo is not restricted in the human world. The only possible explanation would be the environment. In soul society everything is spirit so he has a easier time to use it. Kinda like Ishida was stronger in SS.

So he just has to learn to use Bankai in a less than perfect condition.

That sounds logical enough. If you don't consider Renji's Bankai in ep89(which he hasn't done in the human world yet either)

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I'm not bashing anything...I actually like the fillers for the most part

Your opinion is still prejudiced, as your still judging them as "fillers" and not simply normal episodes. It's not a matter of liking them or not.

I like SS far better, but I treat all episodes the same because there's nothing logical to warrant treating them any different.

2006-07-19, 00:37	Link #1
yamato_D Nazo no Tenshi Join Date: Jan 2006	ichigo, why no bankai? i'm currently watching the bounto fillers, and urahara explained to ichigo why he can't use bankai, sort of. i still didn't understand the entirety of it. so ichigo is weaker in the real world... why? i understand that captains and vice-captains have their strengths lowered 5X (which i think is stupid), but why would it change for ichigo? also, since he can't use bankai, does that mean that his normal abilities are lowered also? just curious, because he's sucked so far in this arc. he can't even beat a shinigami who easily lost to kenpachi.

2006-07-19, 00:50	Link #2
Thewanderer Hiyori Fanboy Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Columbus, Ohio Age: 42	Ichigo isn't effected by the 80% weaker thing. He just can't seem to Bankai in the human world for some reason. And a safe bet would be that Ichinose has trained to Bankai himself after the last Kenpachi encounter. __________________

2006-07-19, 02:22	Link #4
Sunabouzu Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Age: 36	I think it´s because the shinigami-world is a spirit-world and there is as good as everywhere spirit-energy in the air (you know what i mean xD) so it was easier to use bankai in the soule-society...now he sucked in the real world but soon he will be alble to use bankai again^^ and will kick the asses of the bounto...so i hope at least -.- __________________

2006-07-19, 03:14	Link #6
Sunabouzu Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Age: 36	maybe it's because that Ichigo is still human? __________________

2006-07-19, 03:44	Link #8
janmurphy but the soul still burns! Join Date: Nov 2004	Hes a full shinegami but he has a human body, (is what i think suna means) which none of the other full shinegami have. Or maybe its the badge Ukitate gave him, but thats a shoot in the dark from me. Last edited by NoSanninWa; 2006-07-20 at 00:33. Reason: spoiler removed

2006-07-19, 01:29	Link #3
Cooldude Member Join Date: Apr 2006	Because the producers decide that Ichigo Bankai would've pwned those Bount so bad that they decided to nerf him for the time being

2006-07-19, 08:19	Link #9
Illuyankas I need another drink. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Beer. Boobs. Wait... boobs again.	It's an anime thread janmurphy, not everyone reads the manga. Spoiler your post.

2006-07-19, 10:57	Link #11
D a m i e n permanentely bored Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: France Age: 44	Welcome to the wonderfull land of filler and denial of previous devellopement. Filler = dumb down the show making it ridiculous... ichigo struggling against some trash mobs in filler is in complete contraction with what we saw previously... it s like naruto defeating Gaara then struggling against some nonamed filler vilain... anyway those show are worthless atm they cant let the character evolves because that devellopment would be in contradiction with the manga when the anime would go back to the manga plot. Making him face opponent bigger than the hollow thingy and letting him use his bankai would make the hollow thingy from the manga look gimpy. Therefore filler = sucky opponent + bankai nerf + memwipe of previous devellopement for the suck

2006-07-19, 11:35	Link #12
Cooldude Member Join Date: Apr 2006	Still would've preferred if they did some Fumoffu like fillers, Bleach-humour's superb And the sudden disappearance of any Hollows is kinda a put-off

2006-07-19, 12:15	Link #14
Mr. DJ Schwing! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Central Texas Age: 39	I'd say for the same reason you see Naruto get smacked around in the filler arcs, don't want any character development there to conflict w/ the actual manga (tear drop) Didn't they also say earlier in the arc that if Ichigo used his bankai the city would of been basically fuxxored big time? :P edit: Maybe the Afro Shinigami has been taking out the Hollows

2006-07-19, 12:35	Link #16
Flashdance Tower Join Date: Jul 2006	Actually Ichigo cant use Bankai because he has been made a shinigami apprentice before he left Soul Society. They also gave him that wodden sign which he could use to change into shinigami form... Thats why a few bounto´s called him shinigami-boy or something like that, because he isnt a full shinigami... though he is sort of "registered" in Soul society now, thats why they are able to limit Ichigo´s power in the real world.... And the reason why the power of Shinigamis (especially the one´s who have achieved Bankai) are limited has allready been said. (because their powers would cause to much damage in the real world)...

2006-07-19, 12:42	Link #17
Varis Composed Eccentric Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Switzerland Age: 44	Ichigo is not restricted in the human world. The only possible explanation would be the environment. In soul society everything is spirit so he has a easier time to use it. Kinda like Ishida was stronger in SS. So he just has to learn to use Bankai in a less than perfect condition.

2006-07-19, 12:56	Link #18
Mr. DJ Schwing! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Central Texas Age: 39	I'm not bashing anything...I actually like the fillers for the most part

2006-07-19, 13:14	Link #19
Flashdance Tower Join Date: Jul 2006	This is when Ichigo became a Shinigami Apprentice [img=http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/6903/bscap0ay9.th.jpg] This is shortly after Ichigo couldnt use his Bankai. This is when Renji tells Ichigo about powerlimiting in the RealWorld... The fact that in Soul Society there is more spiritual energy could also be another factor that adds to this...