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2008-03-25, 09:08 | Link #3683 |
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the kouichi x yumi separation felt rush imo. as did the relationship between the class rep and the movie maniac, it pops out of nowhere.
i still think that the soccer got robbed hardcore. any male would have been ok for futami to start her experiment, i liked this character and her evolution but i feel bad for the soccer girl. she lost everything, she cant live up her passion playing official soccer match, she got the man she loved stolen just because of stupid paper plane... life is unfair. had futami not been there kazuki would have gone for the soccer girl imo but futami just raise a firework of teenager hormones in eps1. |
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2008-03-25, 09:30 | Link #3685 |
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Asuka is Kaz's friend, thats simple. She did kiss him sure, but it was one of those "I'll kiss you to settle my own feelings, you'll see what you missed!" type of things. She even went and sought out Eriko and told her to go to Kaz and reassured her. Kaz totally fell for Eriko way before Asuka. Asuka, much like Yuumi was the victim of not acting on her feelings. Asuka with Kaz and Yuumi not questioning Kouichi more. Thats just not the person Yuumi is. She even tells him "I watched you all this time, I knew your feelings". This is why Kouichi makes it a point to say "I've been lying to you, Yuumi, and myself", it also ties into what Kai said about Kouichi being the same as Mao, staying with someone so they wouldn't hurt them while they lie about their feelings.
The breakup with Yuumi had been happening for six or seven episodes, Kouichi just now got the kick in the ass and the mental footing he needed to do it. Look at Yuumi's reaction to him during that scene, she knew full well and even says it. She knew and even felt so uneasy about Mao, look at her and Mao's conversation and how they make it a point to show Mao hurting. As for Kouichi and Mao rushed? Ha, thats been going on all series. Mao says it herself as Kouichi is walking towards her "I won't hurt you?(notice the tinge in her voice)", "You always make me think about you and.." right before he tells Mao that he deeply loves her and she says "Me, too". "I love you to, Kouichi!" and boom kiss. If you needed any more reinforcement Mao at first tries to get him to go away, much like she did the entire last half of the series, she is obviously thinking about Kouichi when shes alone on the bridge and is surprised that he is actually there. This shows us that Kouichi made up his mind and is resolved when Mao tells him to go to Yuumi after he tells her that they broke up and he stands there(after using her confession on her) blushing, stern look on his face in defiance as if saying "No more running Mao, I'm here". Kouichi and Mao were both lying to themselves about their own feelings. Mao had her breakdown because she yearned for Kouichi and Kouichi had his after Mao left. He didn't want to loose her again and he tells her that. He reiterated what he said to her as kids and they even show a quick shot of it and Mao remembers but this time Kouichi is talking not as a friend, but as a couple. Kouichi is basically saying "enough of this, I love you Mao" and of course Mao is crazy for him and loves him deeply as well. This(over analyzing) is what gets me in trouble is that I start to think about things like this and it all comes flooding back. I have to stop feeling that I have the job of responding to all of these posts about the ending, about Kouichi and Mao, and who knows what like I'm the sole defender of the series. I've been through enough mental anguish to relive it again I guess part of me after all of that and the wonderful ending is checking to make sure it's all still real. And guess what? It sure is real and spectacular On another note, that Eriko towel is almost FIFTY dollars? Wow, I'd rather blow it all on that Mao figure Last edited by Lego; 2008-03-25 at 09:45. |
2008-03-25, 10:09 | Link #3686 | |
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2008-03-25, 11:56 | Link #3687 | |
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2008-03-25, 12:03 | Link #3688 |
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Timeskip? What timeskip? Episode 22 had the 2 days before the festival covered, while episodes 23 and 24 were the very day of the festival. If anything, time was like almost at a standstill in the final episodes, but in any case, I fail to see where the timeskip occured in KimiKiss. Care to elaborate? And for the record, Vexx was just trying to correct you on your usage of Ichigo'ed or Canvas 2'ed. The majority of people who would use such a term, uses it BECAUSE of the three terms he has listed, and certainly not the way you use it. Is it really any surprise then why people keep badgering you about the clues when you agree with them in the first place? It would be like me saying KimiKiss was School Day'ed, using that term to describe how Sekai pushed together Kotonoha and Makoto together despite her feelings towards him (of which the same happened here), when the vast majority of people would associate the term with the Nice Boat ending (of which has nothing to do with KimiKiss at all). @physics Just wondering, have you seen the second season of Honey and Clover? I really do feel you should be comparing the end of season 2 rather than the end of season 1, as how they developed to the final episode in season 2 is much more in line with Kimikiss than how they did things in season 1. In fact, I'd even say it's almost a carbon copy of it, just gender switched. Maybe you'd be less disappointed then. Let's just say not everyone wins in the end, and the reasoning behind the decision of a main character is even more subtly hinted than here in Kimikiss, but the idea remains the same. That said, as much as Takemoto's action at the end of Season 1 is a culmination of his experiences from the very beginning, I'd still say the very same of Kouichi. From episode 1 it was shown he was awestruck with Mao's beauty, where he states that he doesn't know anyone as pretty as her. So there it was established that she's physically attracting to him, but it just so happens then he was much more emotionally attracted to Yuumi then. So did his emotional feelings change like that, or briskly as you put it? I completely disagree. Not counting the unconscious love hints from before, starting at episode 17 it is shown that he's clearly starting to waver from his conviction for Yuumi, as then it's Mao all he's thinking about. Then 19 came around with the mock confession for the movie, where it's obvious both Kouichi and Mao were beyond acting at that scene. And 22 should've put no doubt in anyone's mind that it is Mao who is truly in Kouichi's heart, where he broke down in lonely tears without Mao around, as it was during that time she started avoiding him. Yuumi? Not a single thought from Kouichi IIRC. So the writers have explicitly shown, in the span of 6 episodes (or a quarter of the series's entire run), how Kouichi's focus changed. And before that, the writers have dropped subtle hints that it would happen, from Kouichi remembering Mao in the middle of a date with Yuumi, to the script where not it's only about childhood friends getting together, but where Mao fits the role perfectly and yet Yuumi failed. After all these, can it not be said that his decision to follow his heart by breaking up with Yuumi ,and then confess to Mao be the result of all his past experiences combined? In a sense, he did end where he began, as Mao was probably his most important person back in childhood, and he realized the very same in high school. I mean, he always was Mao's to begin with, wasn't he? j/k Really though, I find it very interesting that some people think that MaoXKouichi was executed too slow while there are some who thought the same pairing was executed too fast. How can two groups of people have two completely opposite thoughts on the same pairing from the same series? I understand where the former group is coming from considering they've only been complaining for the last 1k posts (j/k ), but the latter is a complete and utter mystery for me because it's so new and no one really has elaborated on that fact. Was it because Kouichi up until his talk to Kai in the beginning of 24 still had intention to keep the promise with Yuumi? I would agree, if episodes 17-22 didn't happen as he was deadset on keeping the promise before then. But thing is, at 17 you see Kouichi starting to slip from his resolution as he's starting to consciously think about Mao more. And by the end of the 22 it was very clear that he's torn between reason and emotion; he promised Yuumi that he'd be together forever with her, but it was then he truly realized that it was Mao who's really in his heart. So just going by that factor alone (there's others), it should've shown that at the very least there's a 50/50 chance that he will break his promise sooner or later, and so a decision from him to break up shouldn't have been a 'surprise'. It just so happened that the break up occured in the last episode when Kai gave him the final nudge (not push mind you) to follow his heart. Or was it because people were expecting that it'd be Yuumi to end the relationship, and so it was OOC for Kouichi to be the one? It was shown that she knew about Mao and Kouichi's feelings ever since the end of 19, and thus seems to be the more logical choice for the break up. This is because Kouichi for the vast majority of the series was shown as the guy who just goes with the flow, and so it was unlikely for him to be the one. But that's just the thing... he was able to break from that habit of his because of the depth of his feelings for Mao, after he realized with the help of Kai that he's helping noone and hurting everyone the way he was then. If he didn't grow a spine then, then nothing ever will. He would've been no different at all from your typical wussy harem male lead, and would show how weak and shallow his love for Mao actually is.(And I would've probably dropped a letter grade for my evaluation of KimiKiss just because of that) @deltakano We are in agreement that the climax is at episode 22. What we don't agree on is that there should be character development after it. I completely disagree (as does the majority of fiction writers btw ), as any new character development of a major character in either the falling action or denouement would be contrived at best. I mean, look at how bad the KuryuuXHiiragi development looks when both are minor characters (and as such, it's of no consequence really). So how much worse it would look if that kind of development was given to a major character? On that topic, I must say that KimiKiss is written like a novel. We got exposition of the characters from episode 1 to 5, the trigger incident at episode 6 (Mao's uneasy smile at KouchiXYuumi), rising action from 7 to 21, climax at 22 (Kouichi's despair in his room at the end of the episode), and falling action in 23 to the first half of 24, and the denoument in the last half of the last episode. God, it's like my Writer's Craft course all over again. O_O
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2008-03-25, 12:09 | Link #3689 | |
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I think you're basically right on all accounts. I just find it to be most annoying that for some reason in this case "Mao fans" seem to have been the ones who totally missed Yuumi's point of view from 19-24.
Yuumi is the Kiri here but she does the exact opposite so we get the exact opposite of a Canvas 2. Spoiler for Kimikiss Ending:
I can't even express how much I'm in disbelief that people seem to be mixing up the two situations when in fact they are polar opposites in style and execution of the "twist" that seems to be at issue. |
2008-03-25, 13:26 | Link #3691 |
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Finally saw the last episode, but GODDAMMIT I cant say how incredibly pissed I am with this idiotic ending I dont know why the emo (cant find another word for that idiot Kouichi and Mao) always win. Soooo hoped he would run in front of a car in the scene when he jumped over the guard rail, too bad he didnt.
Thats one of those "I ditch the girl that cared for me for 23.7 episodes in the last 5min of the series and go for another one" shows. Aside of that I have only minor complaints but this one is really annoying me. Yes once the MaoxKouich relationship started to develop there have been hints in every episode and it was more or less clear how it would end, guess I am not really the type for endings like that Minor other complaints: Was there a Shijou arc? -.- Was there a Nana arc? Cant call the udon making at school festival with approval of her grand-father a climax at all. AsukaxKazuki Asuka was my favourite girl in the show, too bad she ended up alone. Dont get me wrong, I am fine with FutamixAihara as I like Futami too, but I would have preferred it the other way. To add something nice about the show, I like how KuryuuxHiiragi worked out, though I saw that coming from a mile away. |
2008-03-25, 13:41 | Link #3692 | |
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The "last 5 minutes of the ep" made me laugh. I mean, how else could they have ended it? By then it was clear to both sides (kouichi and yumi) that their relationship wasn't going to last. Hence why yumi wasn't surprised or shocked at all. Now it would have been a different case if there was no lead up to the final parting scene, but for those who still think that there was no lead up or that it was too sudden/fast what have you, then I suggest a rewatch and actually pay more attention. It's not as if the feelings from this series is subtle or hidden where you have to find them meaning behind things (like TT), everything has been shown as obvious. And why make things any more complicated. Nana arc? (hahaha). I would have liked to see Hiiragi and Mitsuki getting more but think about where time would be taken from. If it isn't mao x kouichi then it would have to be from kazuki, but he has as little time as we can afford already.
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2008-03-25, 14:34 | Link #3694 | |
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There is one thing I dont agree with you, thats the bolded part. Like I wrote, even I am not that stupid to overlook the hints etc they made for MaoxKouichi (And I am usually quite dense lol) Its more that Kouichi is the type I totally cant stand, you know the one who got the "have to be always nice/helpful/gentle brother/friend" complex. Also you can expect that a girl (Nana) that shows up in the opening got a tad more development that mere udon making for getting the approval of her grand-father, who doesnt say a word through the whole series (at least I dont remember -.-) edit: Oh I forgot to ask: Does Shijou (Mitsuki? Always forget her first name -.-) fiancé show up in the game? He is more or less a mystery to me. |
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2008-03-25, 14:44 | Link #3695 | |
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2008-03-25, 15:03 | Link #3697 | |
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But what you just said it sounds like you have more of a problem with Kouichi's personality (understandable if you don't like his type) than what actually happened to the relationship. But the fact is that you mixed in an impression on me that you thought that what happened was sudden or lacked sense. Well you can hate his method of breaking up with yumi but what I can't stand is if people started thinking that this was a last minute decision, as those two "things" are entirely different. And because I hate Nana and her friend so much, I think it was good that their screen time was kept to a minimum (now that is bias ). Sorry if anyone likes them but I just can't do it... and I don't think that Mitsuki mentions anything in the game considering that the game is totally different than the series.
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2008-03-25, 15:17 | Link #3698 | |
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I saw the both endings from the start but overal if your looking throught how every episode was amazing then this ending was best for the series. It feels strange that both women who lost out i liked them both better than (Mao & Futami). |
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2008-03-25, 15:54 | Link #3699 | |
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It was an enjoyable series but did not capitalize on leaving a lasting impression on me. |
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2008-03-25, 15:58 | Link #3700 |
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Thats the directors style, look at something like Honey and Clover. Hell in most shows it would end with them standing there. Thank god for the mutual confessions, Kouichi's resolve, the kiss, the glowing looks at each other while Mao has her head on Kouichi's shoulder and then Mao going in for the second kiss on her tipey toes.
It's what I wanted and I'm satisfied with it since that was pretty much that was left to do since they built up to it the whole series. |
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