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View Poll Results: Mobile Suit Gundam 00 - Episode 22 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 151 | 62.66% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 52 | 21.58% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 22 | 9.13% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 9 | 3.73% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 0.83% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.41% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.41% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.41% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 0.83% | |
Voters: 241. You may not vote on this poll |
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Even Kira Jesus Yamato had times where it's like OHHHHH he's getting better or THIS GUY ALMOST GOT ME. Shinn pretty much had an entire ship full of people being his rating squad. And etc etc etc you know? Sure, Gundam series have that quality of HI IM CHAR AZNABLE CLONE, U DONT GET TO RATE ME CAUSE IM PWN BUT I SUCK AT THE END AND I LOSE, I ALSO NEVER KILL ANYONE THAT YOU BELIEVE WONT DIE (Ali in 00 maybe graham); but when the main characters get that, it gets fugly. Remember in UC when people were smart enough to pull those zaku cords from their gas mask thingy or basically always aim at the thruster packs? It's like, what happened to stuff like that? You get to see Hal pew pew Soma at her thrusters and NOTHING HAPPENS. Is there a NERF GUN mode for Kyrios? Quote:
But this is Animesuki forums, even before I was a spammer, people who were even more ridiculous than me nit picked at everything. Did that mean they hated it? No. They just went overboard. You taking things as if this was the only thing I see during the episode is only your own ignorance. I can appreciate Snow white and the seven dwarves from walt disney, there's no way I can't appreciate Gundam, no matter how cliche/fail it may be. On the other hand, acknowledging the fails is a totally different matter. Showing your point of view of what can be better, and making silly bashes is what makes this forum entertaining. If anyone takes offense to what complainers say, either you have to prove it wrong (AKA you take part in the argument in a "RP" mode) or you just let it go. You can't go CALM DOWN ITS JUST A SHOW. It's like telling people in a game that you don't know that they are overreacting because it's a game. Sure, some people or in some cases MOST PEOPLE are flat faced and can only express themselves in one manner, but there are those of us that can go Griffith on you and get all sharp and cold while laughing at something as random as Suzumiya Haruhi the next. Quote:
(I'll be fair and blame the rifle deal on Hal being a jackass, but the claw thing needs attention or else it's just a sidekick item. I'm not saying the design sucks, it's the spot light time and how they present it that makes the item. So far, it blows as nothing but LOL GRUNT TORTURE) However, the DESIGN (LOOKS) is quite appealing. The thing is probably the 2nd coolest out of CB imo, and it along with Exia fits the elegant approach 00 takes unlike the extravagant look CE took. Dynames after the deathscythe wing shields and Virtue period is not that elegant what so ever, as Dynames looks too rugged and squarish. I mean, the guy has the most baller hat, and his body looks like it's made of lego or was the successor of the honda element. There's not even a need to comment about fat gundam. Jared Subway/Slim Jimed AND gender change? Wow, they might as well give some pegasus shoulders and call the damn thing Saint Seiya. However, one thing I love about CB pilots > other pilots of 00 is that, when they have their helmets on, their modified voice sounds so much more baller than when without. Like Tiera. That guy is the pinnacle of sounding like a guy you wanna punch when he's out in the open (HIS CLOTHES DONT HELP) but sounds incredibly bad ass when he's piloting. It's these little details that previous gundam series didn't really focus on that I love. Quote:
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Let me show you what Setsuna thinks/feels/believes/etc during that situation...no...his entire life: "gundam...Gundam....GUNDAM" Get it? Got it? Good. This will NOT BE DISPUTED. I have enough evidence that even Pheonix Wright cannot object to. Quote:
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2008-03-14, 15:37 | Link #644 |
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Last couple of posts just made me believe in Gundam fans again
I agree with the opinions about quite slow progress/development when it comes to characters. It's, like, the biggest weakness of 00 so far. I won't only mention Kira or Kamille here, but also Kou Uraki as an example of interestingly built personal plot-story, as well as convincing and consequent skill/abilities improvement. Nevertheless, the series is not finished yet and there are characters which I really got to like. Like Neil Dylandy or, quite recently, Setsuna (whom I hated at the beginning, but... it is not the first time I've changed my attitude for a Gundam character ). Episode 22, along with episode 15 (desert battle) and 18 (atttack at the wedding) is my favorite one. I have a feeling that those 3 that remain shall be like a ride on the rollercoaster to me, setting the appetite for the next 00 series. |
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2008-03-14, 15:51 | Link #646 | |
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Unless you suggest that they change the angle from where the GN-X's are doing the circular rotation. |
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2008-03-14, 17:22 | Link #648 |
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^It's called an analogy...Furthermore, I'm a fanboy of GUNDAM, but never to the point where I ever compromise the content of my arguments to be one...No one in this forum can accuse me of that in ALL my years here...Ask around if you must...
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2008-03-14, 17:26 | Link #649 | |
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I also consider myself to be a Gundam fan. But still, there are series I consider to be better or worse, and I bet (more than that, I can see) that you also have your favorites and un-favorites. Maybe the only difference between us is that I like both CE and 00 |
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I have to say the only reason why Seed and Destiny scored so well was because of all the affiliating it had, with T.M. Revolution, as well as the large chunks of fanservice chucked into the intros-its a desperate way to get ratings by making us guys infatuated so we have a better impression of it. Gundam Seed Destiny had a very rushed and disorganized story, clearly with the last half of it showing much desperate script writing; example destiny plan. I was like "WTF?" There was simply no motive behind such an extreme move which made it VERY weak. See 00, with CB, you can clearly see how a large organization with much power can get corrupted or split- with MAJOR problems. Basically the gundams are now in a fight for survival as CB has achieved its goal. Doesnt that sound better than "random operations on a base, random operations on a base, ill kill you if you dont jon"? Its not fanboyism, its the fact that Destiny had such poor directing/plot/script, compared to 00. |
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2008-03-14, 17:56 | Link #652 |
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@wingdarkness - Ah, I see. Same way I feel when I see some hater that starts bashing Gundam or any anime series I like in general.
--- @Tkpenalty - you chose your "side", but I'd rather not belong to any. I have my own preferences, but I like both 00 and Destiny enough not to even consider which is better or worse in my personal ranking. To me, Destiny was just an opportunity to meet my favorite SEED characters again. Whilst 00 is completely new and interesting series which just blew me away with its visuals. Moreover, 00 is still airing, so I leave eventual evaluation till I finish watching the whole second season. |
2008-03-14, 18:13 | Link #654 |
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Definitely. And so far, the plot in 00 is uneven, but still forms a coherent whole to me. I hope it doesn't fall apart. But I trust in the skills of its director. The only thing I am certain of by episode 22 is that the show had enough "moments" to be considered to be fairly good in my eyes. It still has a long way to reach the SEED or Zeta league, but it can just dance through it with style if Mr. FMA does his work well. <fingers crossed>
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2008-03-14, 21:05 | Link #657 |
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Seed Destiny failed in its EXECUTION... In that the grunts were indeed nameless grunts who wasted frames with recycled explosions while screaming "My life has no meaning!" and 00 at least named the grunts and gave them a small personality before killing them off in a shinier death- thus winning the respect of Gundam Fans everywhere...
Destiny COULD HAVE BEEN good, but it wasn't due to its awesomely bad sub-plots overshadowing the main story- which was war remember? Not the pink Zaku or Meer's breasts... -__- All about execution. There is no being "realistic" in an anime, but the way Destiny made them untouchable got ridiculous. Sure 00 characters get a magical boost when it got tough, but at least they have their limits... We saw this when they were nearly defeated before the Trinity team came along. Lockon even mentioned the need to have food or a bathroom break in a 12-24 hour battle. XD Now that's down to earth...
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2008-03-14, 21:20 | Link #658 | |
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But in all seriousness. The plot of 00 is not really to be compared to SEED, they are different stories with very different ways of telling them. The level of sophistication is also a discerning feature. As much as you may want to suger SEED up it doesn't hold a candle to 00 in terms of politics and actual military planning. While 00 has nothing on SEED for WTFEPIC battles of beamspam. |
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2008-03-14, 23:28 | Link #659 |
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You say it's about execution, WD, which is where I'll bite...however:
Yes, Kira was basically untouchable. And what the hell were the Meisters when they had the element of surprise? They completely cleaned house and you know it. In fact, it wasn't until they got completely WTFOHNOES outnumbered that they really more or less came to the gates of heaven...but what about that space battle? Once again, Tieria surprised with Nadleeh, and then Hallelujah surprised by waking up Kyrios. In fact, so far, the gundams, dare I say it, are EVERY FUCKING BIT AS UBER as anything before the Freedom or the Wing Zero was. In fact, IT'S THE MEISTERS THAT SUCK. If it was Heero and Kira and Amuro and hell, let's even say SHINN for shits and giggles in those Gundams, they'd be dodging those 800 and weaving to a quick retreat and leaving those 800 looking like idiots. The fact is that this "presentation" is simply a result of the current Gundam pilots possibly being the absolute worst in franchise history, when you can have Ali Al Sarges hop into the Zwei and then GGPWN Johann, who was acquainted with Eins for who knows how long, when Ali only saw Zwei for several minutes! Your presentation isn't the grunts being necessarily good, WD. It's the gundam meisters that suck horribly, and we've been having that shoved down our throats since moment 1--that all the time, they were winning because of two SIGNIFICANT factors: 1) Surprise 2) Technology Now that the powers have GN-Xs and are hunting down both Thrones and the original Meisters, they're lucky to survive from episode to episode not because their opponents are necessarily THAT GREAT--but because THEY ARE BAD. If you recall, Heero Yuy in Wing was an ace to end all aces except Zechs, since Zechs had more or less a VERY similar background. Similarly, in SEED, Athrun was the TOP ace of ALL of ZAFT. He was number one in just about EVERYTHING (I think except gunning when he had the flu and came in 2nd to Yzak), while Kira was so smart that he knew MSes inside and out. Kira may not have originally been the greatest PILOT when the show set out, but A) he taught himself by sitting in the Strike's cockpit 24/7 when he realized only he could pilot it, and B) he was so fucking smart that he could figure out Strike, AND Freedom (and I assume SF is more of the same) in seconds. So let's see: In GSD, Kira had: 1) Surprise 2) Tech 3) SKILL 4) A specially custom-designed Gundam 5) Lacus Dust To say that OMG MEISTERS VULNERABLE KIRA WAS GOD GSD SO STUPID is being a hypocrite in judgment! Yes, I'll give you this: the reused animation made me SICK. It was a travesty, plain and simple. But aside from the horrid animation, if you're going to judge Goddess and God on the same line you're going to judge the meisters, then I expect nothing LESS than complete dismemberment of any and all enemies. Kira has far more skill, far more brains, and far superior technology than the meisters do, with the same amount of surprise until he was called out in SF (at which point he had an ARMY behind him). And you can't really call out Kira for not getting touched...Strike got thrashed around quite a bit when he piloted it, Freedom got nearly decimated by the Providence and then of course, we all remember the travesty that was GSD 34. And speaking of which, why do people say "OMFG EVERYONE ELSE SUCKS THAT'S WHY KIRA WINS" when Athrun specifically asked him "Why did you get shot down?" and Kira answered "Oh, I wasn't trying". People cheered that and when Kira DID try "OMFG THE CREATOR IS A KIRA FANBOY HE MADE KIRA GOD WAAH WAAH". Just as G00 is trying to hammer into us that the Meisters are completely outclassed in piloting by the nations' best (Soma, Sergei, Graham, Ali), then I don't think GSD could have done any more to hammer it into us that Kira A) resigned himself that he's Lacus's sword and B) since accepting that, decided to become the best damn pilot in the world. In the end though, it doesn't matter. No amount of "THIS PILOT IS GOD INCARNATE" pounding would ever convince people that the protagonist is untouchable, simply because no matter how good the protagonist is, people want him to take hits anyway, no matter how ridiculous it seems, which is why GSD 34 was such a cop-out to me...and hell, it was a cop-out to the director himself which was why Kira said "I'm not trying" and then when everyone said "BS, you were trying", he went and OWNED Shinn at Orb, and then Gruntified Rey in space. And furthermore, if you're Patrick Zala, and you want to END THE WAR NOW, you have the enemies' most advanced technology, are you going to just one-up them with Strike Mk.II? No. You're going to build the most powerful Gundams you possibly can. Hence Freedom and Justice and Providence. And then, if you're LACUS CLYNE, and you KNOW these pilots PERSONALLY, KNOW how they function and care for them, are you going to make suits that are just slightly better than the rest for fun and fingernail-biting edge-of-your-seat battles, or are you going to make the best most powerful godlike gundams you can? Time and again, there has been justification for a pilot being damn good. Time and again, there has been justification for an MS so powerful existing (and inevitably finding its way into the hands of that ace of aces) that it can decimate entire fleets alone. Hello...the Wing Gundam Zero was SO powerful that it was deemed to be TOO POWERFUL TO BE BUILT. The bottom line is that there was always justification for protagonists being next to godlike, which is why on a good day, only their rival themselves can lay a hand on them (okay, fine, there's also giant inanimate rocks just to deal with your pesky jedi newtypes without cannons of doom). There have always been justifications for doomsday weapons built into sparkly gundams (okay, though I don't know why all of the doomsday gundams have to be built in these gleaming blues and whites). Of course, NONE of that matters to people that say OMG G00 IS GREAT. All that matters is that the protagonist is VULNERABLE, which makes absolutely no sense in terms of the universe. Shit, for a real life example, just look at the F-22. That thing has every single bell and whistle built into it that'll simply be mind-boggling if one ever gets shot down when F-15s and F-16s suffered more DOMESTIC TRAINING CRASHES than they've EVER been shot down (in fact, neither F-15 nor F-16 have ever lost an air-to-air engagement if I'm correct). Frankly, I buy into "only a gundam can beat a gundam", since gundams are AT HEART designed to be like F-22s--with every single feature known built into them to make them the ultimate fighting machines. If a gundam can get gruntsmacked, then it fails as a gundam. Why put in all of those resources to build this sparkly "soopa-robot", when for a fraction of the resources, you can have three "real robos" that pwn this shiny soopa robot? And as for vulnerable meisters, yeah, they are...but not because the grunts are any better. I can basically assure you that for all of their fancy formations, the Wing Zero's WTFENORMOUS BEAM BLAST OF DOOM would wipe them out every bit as nicely, as would Kira's "spam every single direction you can possibly move while spamming your general direction" freedom fireworks. The meisters suck. The meisters suck. I do not know how long I have to reiterate this. If you call trashy piloting "good presentation", then I say it's far more a cop-out than good piloting.
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