The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 11 Discussion / Poll [2006 TV ep. 8]

[Omniscient]

Originally Posted by arias

What does that mean? I'm quite blur as to the arrangement of the anime and how it'll play out.

Some sources have listed that this is a 14 episode series. Maybe it means that if next week is the fourteenth story, it'll be the last one sequentially.

In a bit of irony (since this is all about great detectives and mysteries), today - May 22nd - is Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's birthday.

[C.A.]

But episode 1 is episode 0.

By logical conclusion:

If episode 1 is 0, the last episode will be 13.

I don't know, but this really hints to me that there will be a 2nd season. I'll go into depression if there isn't lol

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by C.A.

But episode 1 is episode 0.

By logical conclusion:

If episode 1 is 0, the last episode will be 13.

I don't know, but this really hints to me that there will be a 2nd season. I'll go into depression if there isn't lol

Episode Zero is going to be sold separately from the rest of the TV series as a DVD, so it is entirely possible for the "series" itself to be 14 episodes with an extra added as episode00.

[C.A.]

Hmmm I'm not sure, but I think Kyon's words is almost as heavy as Haruhi's. We should believe that episode 0 is episode 1 according to him lol.

So far AniDB is the only site with more details about the number of episodes:

http://anidb.info/perl-bin/animedb.p...anime&aid=3651

But they aren't completely sure themselves, like all other anime websites. In the 1st 3 weeks, anime websites have been saying that Haruhi will have 13/14 episodes, but now every one of them has removed that and in place we have 'N/A', '0' or '-'.

[Onizuka-GTO]

LOLOL Haruhi threw everyone off. i bet she's been reading all the predictions and changed it at the last moment just because.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by C.A.

Hmmm I'm not sure, but I think Kyon's words is almost as heavy as Haruhi's. We should believe that episode 0 is episode 1 according to him lol.

That doesn't make sense. If we are following Kyon's words that episode 00 is Ep 1, then episode 14 should be episode 9.

The only way you can even have an episode 00, is if you take Haruhi's word as gospel.

[arias]

If the series is longer than 14 episodes.. I.. I... I...





Now THAT is happily confused

[C.A.]

Yea of course Haruhi is correct, shes following the novels anyway, the DVDs are going to be released in her order.

But we can take Kyon's words for the number of episodes, though his order is jumbled up.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Don't get too happy yet.

It's not unknown for anime studios to skip an entire episode in broadcast, and only put it in the DVD release.

[IchiKyo]

Next week will be difficult

*want to see a Kyon Reindeer just like the Ending*

[Sushi-Y]

Originally Posted by C.A.

But episode 1 is episode 0.

By logical conclusion:

If episode 1 is 0, the last episode will be 13.

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

That doesn't make sense. If we are following Kyon's words that episode 00 is Ep 1, then episode 14 should be episode 9.

The only way you can even have an episode 00, is if you take Haruhi's word as gospel.

Nobody said Episode 00 (Kyon: Episode 1) couldn't be an episode 12 or 13 or something.

Here's my episode list from the prediction thread, updated to current episode:

Haruhi's Episode Count (by story timeline) / Title / Kyon's Episode Count (by airtime)
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Episode 1 - Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu Ⅰ - Episode 2
Episode 2 - Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu Ⅱ - Episode 3
Episode 3 - Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu Ⅲ - Episode 5
Episode 4 - Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu Ⅳ - ?
Episode 5 - Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu Ⅴ - ?
Episode 6 - Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu Ⅵ - ?
Episode 7 - Suzumiya Haruhi no Taikutsu - Episode 4
Episode 8 - Mysterious Sign - Episode 7
Episode 9 - Lone Island Syndrome (Part 1) - Episode 6
Episode 10 - Lone Island Syndrome (Part 2) - Episode 8
Episode 11 - ? - ?
Episode 12 - ? - ?
Episode 13 - ? - ?
Episode 14 - Someday in the Rain - Episode 9

Episode ? - Asahina Mikuru no Bouken Episode 00 - Episode 1
-------------------------
Again, here's the novel timeline for reference
As you can see, there are only 3 "unknown" slots left now. One thing we know for sure is that those episodes will definitely take place (story timeline wise) after Lone Island (Episode 10, July) and before Someday in the Rain (Episode 14, Winter?). Episode 00 could easily fit into any of those 3 slots since it took place in November.

But the latest episode preview also revealed something important: unless they plan on going further than 14 episodes, "Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody" won't be animated. Even though it took place between Taikutsu (ep.7) and Mysterious Sign (ep.8), there was still a chance it could've been listed (Haruhi-wise) as an "Episode 0" (those who read the story will know what I mean). But if that was the case, then the total episode count would've been 0 ~ 13 for a total of 14 episodes. Someday in the Rain, however, was counted by Haruhi as episode 14, therefore leaving no room anywhere for Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody.

(Unless of course, they do it as a DVD-only episode or something)

But well, as important as that story is, I guess it's not significant if they're not going to do Shoushitsu anyway. It would explain why they've been picking short-stories with the least amount of foreshadowing to the "next-big-story" (Shoushitsu).

[MrProphet]

For those who didn't get the "OBJECTION!" joke, it's besically a spoof of "Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney", a lawyer sim game for Nintendo.



See this animation for comparison.

The pointing finger pose has become quite an enduring meme on its own. 8)

[angel_wing0]

^ nice

but btw, there will be more than 14 eps, i m pretty sure. BANK on it

[Kaoru Chujo]

AniDB has it right: the episode numbers should follow the order in which they are broadcast. Period. Everything else is (1) Haruhian obfuscation, and (2) telling us which order events actually occurred in chronologically (which is not as important as the order KyoAni is using to tell us the story).

I'd be disappointed if KyoAni abandoned a great plan and issued the DVDs in chronological order. That would seem pretty lame to me, and would be the only lame thing about this anime so far.

A post on 2 channel suggests that the student video (episode 01/00) fits as the final episode chronologically, making a total of 15. Here's their list:
chronology　　broadcast
(Haruhi) 　　　(Kyon)
ep01 　　　　 ep02 　MelancholyⅠ
ep02 　　　　 ep03 　MelancholyⅡ
ep03 　　　　 ep05 　MelancholyⅢ
ep04 　　　　 ep** 　Melancholy Ⅳ
ep05 　　　　 ep** 　MelancholyⅤ
ep06 　　　　 ep** 　MelancholyⅥ
ep07 　　　　 ep04 　Boredom
ep08 　　　　 ep07 　Mysteric Sign
ep09 　　　　 ep06 　Lone Island 1
ep10 　　　　 ep08 　Lone Island 2
ep11 　　　　 ep** 　?
ep12 　　　　 ep** 　?
ep13 　　　　 ep** 　?
ep14 　　　　 ep09 　Sunday in the Rain

ep00 　　　　ep01 Mikuru's Adventure

[panzerfan]

Of course, if Haruhi winds up with one of those 1hr broadcast special, the formula will have to be revisited. Otherwise I agree with that's said.

[Sushi-Y]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

A post on 2 channel suggests that the student video (episode 01/00) fits as the final episode chronologically, making a total of 15. Here's their list:
chronology　　broadcast
(Haruhi) 　　　(Kyon)
ep01 　　　　 ep02 　MelancholyⅠ
ep02 　　　　 ep03 　MelancholyⅡ
ep03 　　　　 ep05 　MelancholyⅢ
ep04 　　　　 ep** 　Melancholy Ⅳ
ep05 　　　　 ep** 　MelancholyⅤ
ep06 　　　　 ep** 　MelancholyⅥ
ep07 　　　　 ep04 　Boredom
ep08 　　　　 ep07 　Mysteric Sign
ep09 　　　　 ep06 　Lone Island 1
ep10 　　　　 ep08 　Lone Island 2
ep11 　　　　 ep** 　?
ep12 　　　　 ep** 　?
ep13 　　　　 ep** 　?
ep14 　　　　 ep09 　Sunday in the Rain

ep00 　　　　ep01 Mikuru's Adventure

You mean post #8 on the 226th thread? It's not 15, it's 14, with Episode 00 fitting somewhere inside 11 - 14 ("未定のどこかに入る、(もしくは15話以降)"). It's very unnatural to have 15 episodes, especially since all the episodes have already been aired so far, so we're not talking about DVD-only releases here. If they're going to have more than 14 episodes, then that'll most likely make Haruhi a 2-cours series (26 - 28 episodes) (hence "もしくは15話以降").

But if you take a look at the DVD-release list, you'll realize that the pricing suggests a 14 episode series. (1+2+2+2+2+2+2+1)

[Kaoru Chujo]

Originally Posted by Sushi-Y

You mean post #8 on the 226th thread? It's not 15, it's 14, with Episode 00 fitting somewhere inside 11 - 14 ("未定のどこかに入る、(もしくは15話以降)"). It's very unnatural to have 15 episodes, especially since all the episodes have already been aired so far, so we're not talking about DVD-only releases here. If they're going to have more than 14 episodes, then that'll most likely make Haruhi a 2-cours series (26 - 28 episodes) (hence "もしくは15話以降").But if you take a look at the DVD-release list, you'll realize that the pricing suggests a 14 episode series. (1+2+2+2+2+2+2+1)

I think the DVD list is the clincher for 14. So what the poster is saying is that episode 00 fits chronologically either between 11 and 14, or else could come after 14 if the show goes another season?

[Sushi-Y]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

I think the DVD list is the clincher for 14. So what the poster is saying is that episode 00 fits chronologically either between 11 and 14, or else could come after 14 if the show goes another season?

That's right. But if we're taking Haruhi's word on the chronological ordering of the episodes, then it's unlikely that Episode 00 would take place after Someday in the Rain (14).

Why? Remember in the novel (during Shoushitsu I think), Kyon mentioned that the weather felt almost as if it went straight from Summer to Winter? It explains why Mikuru was able to run around in a miniskirt waitress costume in November. But once the story entered December (Shoushitsu), the weather "suddenly turned shitty cold" (← Kyon's words).

Therefore, seeing the heavy winter clothings that Kyon's wearing for the Someday in the Rain preview, I'm assuming it will be placed chronologically after the events of Episode 00, which means Episode 00 will have to be either episode 11, 12, or 13.

Then again, I could be wrong about Someday in the Rain, nobody knows what it's about, after all.

Another thing is the fact that Kanon is going to start in Fall, so unless everyone who works at Kyoani are superhumans, it would be reasonable to think that they'll finish up Haruhi by July (1-cours for 3 months), and give themselves a couple of months to prepare for their next project.

[iamandragon]

Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO

You are correct it was done by actors, I was also impressed by that, it really added another dimension to it. bravo KyoAni.



That reminds me, when are you going to come on over and give us a hand? If you got the time to read vol.6 please give a sympathetic thought for us non-lingo readers....

*scrawls "Baka-Tsuki" in the sand as he sulks*

Will come after 31st of May, when my exams finish. You can basically leave the whole of volume 4 to me(translation is my profession~)

Anyways...Something I really want to point out.
Many says(and even point out) that there're 15 total episodes to the anime...actually there're 15498 episodes--that's from haruhi.tv.
Go to tihs page and press Ctrl+A and you'll reveal hidden episodes and notes written in the same text colour as the background.
http://www.haruhi.tv/activitylog.html
Keep your hopes high

Do you realize that Haruhi was about to take off her bra in the cave and then she hesitated and gave up? That was the best part of the anime--they expressed how Haruhi sees Kyon as 'different' perfectly.

[arias]

Originally Posted by iamandragon

Do you realize that Haruhi was about to take off her bra in the cave and then she hesitated and gave up? That was the best part of the anime--they expressed how Haruhi sees Kyon as 'different' perfectly.

Does anyone know what she was saying during that scene? I mean, I would like to think of it that way as well.. but just seeing wondering if her dialogue supports this.