2010-07-19, 17:01 | Link #3442 |
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[Confirming definition. Can I accept 'three people' to mean to the number of bodies? You're saying that three bodies went in or out of the room, right?] Of course. Three people--in other words, three bodies--went in or out. Only you and Kanon entered, and only Battler left. It has already been said in red that all people can only use their own names. Therefore, the names Erika, Battler, and Kanon can only be used by those people.
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2010-07-19, 17:11 | Link #3443 | ||
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Kanon does not exist in the guest room. Of course, this includes all parts of the closet, the bedroom, and the bathroom. |
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2010-07-19, 17:12 | Link #3444 | |
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"Ushiromiya Battler does not exist within the guest room. ......There are no exceptions, including the closet." |
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2010-07-19, 18:34 | Link #3446 | |
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2010-07-19, 18:40 | Link #3447 |
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Knox's 9th. It is permitted for observers to let their own conclusions and interpretations be heard! Erika never made the detective proclamation in this game
Are you kidding me only what Erika sees counts? She knows her perspective is unreliable she says so herself. Read the game.
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2010-07-20, 01:32 | Link #3448 |
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Kanon's name is eihter: Kinzo, Sento, Battler, Erika. These are the only names that can move to that closed room. All Kanon has to do is saying "I made this rule myself. I'm not furniture anymore. I'm the zero on your roulette!!!" Quitting his job and Kanon dies. Kanon the name only exists as a servant and nowhere outside that. TIP 1-6 Shannon
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2010-07-20, 02:24 | Link #3449 | |
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2010-07-20, 19:34 | Link #3451 | |
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Therefore the bathroom trap was done BEFORE she investigated the room the first time and she was being quick and didn't notice the sound of the bathroom. The room wasn't locked UNTIL she got back to check for Battler. For the Kanon part, we could say that Battler said Kanon died in the room :x Or I could be completely wrong D: |
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2010-07-20, 20:25 | Link #3452 |
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The problem with "name death" or "psudonym death" is you run into a little problem called "Legacy". Meaning: as long as somebody remembers the name 'Kanon' (from the message bottles I guess) he doesn't technically die. In a sense names can create immortality because they live on after death.
A lesson from Higurashi~
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2010-07-20, 20:28 | Link #3453 |
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Yeah, one problem with "Kanon renounced his name" as a prospect is that Kanon can't just decide that. Other people will still see him as Kanon, address him as Kanon, think of him as Kanon, and talk about him as Kanon. Even if he fakes his death, if even one person suspects he might be alive, did "Kanon" really die? Who does the red text believe? If it's permissible to be selective, you might as well declare everyone is dead at the start of the game because in some definition of "dead" you could theoretically be right.
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2010-07-20, 20:33 | Link #3454 | |
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Erika: I sealed the guest room at the time I investigated Battler’s death, so until I came back and broke the seal myself, entering or leaving the guest room was totally impossible. Therefore, it is confirmed that at the time I entered the room, Battler was hiding somewhere in the room. The only chance Battler had to escape was after I broke the seal. Limiting it further, he had no chance to escape except during the period when I was in the bathroom.
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2010-07-20, 20:48 | Link #3455 |
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There is of course an exception (That I just thought of) in the Roulette game think. If you suppose Kanon is the Roulette itself instead of the Zero on the Roulette. He can own any name he wants in the game and thus he can rescue Battler because he has a natural ability of owning other people's names and can escape any location check.
Go ahead and deny it now it's definitely too good to be true.
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2010-07-20, 22:29 | Link #3456 | |
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I think that is another hint on the Red text, that as implied many times before "the truth is the truth", or to be exact it is a truth based on perspective. A red truth can be denied based upon new truth or a rivaling truth of perspective, such as the results of game 5. The results of Game 6 is proof enough that Erika's red truth wasn't qualified to maintain the Logic Error BATTLER had unwittingly created. |
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2010-07-20, 23:03 | Link #3457 | |
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2010-07-20, 23:39 | Link #3458 |
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@Renall
Denying that would be hard, if not impossible. I agree that everyone would think of him as Kanon for some time but does other opinion matter? I never change the nicknames of my friends on IM even if they do, while i still see Vmllcg going online he already is Silver since 2 years. Ain't i am the wrong one? I can't say that Vmllcg is dead but i shouldn't call him Vmllcg eighter. because he is not. "Oh i know him, in our schooltime we called him Eddie the slacker" but now he is Edward the top ace in his Soccer team. everything i said becomes obsolete if you don't give red a bit room to breath, since in no way you can call Eddie the slacker "dead". If i blindly believe in red i cannot see anyone shooting Nanjo in EP3.
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2010-07-20, 23:45 | Link #3459 | ||
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2010-07-20, 23:48 | Link #3460 | |
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Because of her seals she can proclaim things like The only chance Battler had to escape was after I broke the seals. To be even more specific, he had no chance to escape except for the time I was in the bathroom. Again read the game and check the context.
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