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Master Assassin · 2009-07-29, 23:39

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

And you really shouldn't fight with touma in melee. Where he can pound you to the ground.

At least his opponents should be glad enough he's not a kung fu master and can exploit his Imagine Breaker to suit his moves and score a hit without having to endure and shield them first, instead he can dodge and score a hit and then just use the Imagine Breaker to deny any countermeasures against his attacks.

....

Okay, seriously, I'm joking.

But I think we should be glad as well that didn't happen, else it'll be obvious that Touma is actually overpowered

EDIT: Since this also applies to the anime, anyone notices that back in the Academy City arcs, every single magician/esper he helped out (so far I have seen Index, Stiyl, Mikoto... I am not sure about any existing others though) would end up visiting him in hospital, and I suppose the same goes to Kaori. Anyone detects this particular pattern of events happening especially early on into the series?

I feel like we're actually watching the progress of an RPG game with separate missions for certain characters

kuroishinigami · 2009-07-30, 01:38

since my copy of vol 18 will still take a month or two, I guess we have to depend on somebody who has read the novel like Ken_FF to shed the light on what happen to Kaori, Itsuwa, and even Index.

tsunade666 · 2009-07-30, 06:25

Its not your ordinary RPG games. Did you hear the miko girl ( Forgot her name. Her existence itself is hard to remember. Its just she a miko and I like miko )

That he just opens a flag and go with it. FLAG! FLAG! Touma just trigger another flag.

And I'm sooooo happy that Touma isn't a kung fu master. His really will be overpowered. Its powerful enough for him not dying. An immortal freak + imagine breaker. Its enough for that. And I'm also glad he uses his brains in the middle of the fight and try to make a strategy on beating his opponents. Its kinda lame for me if you just go punch and kick until you win.

Miraluka · 2009-07-30, 13:04

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

And I'm also glad he uses his brains in the middle of the fight and try to make a strategy on beating his opponents. Its kinda lame for me if you just go punch and kick until you win.

Yeah. Thats the reason cause I enjoy this series, I want to know more about Imagine Breaker since his fight against Terra.

Magin · 2009-07-30, 13:46

Touma being overpowered... well, it's almost a requirement by this point, based on what I'm hearing about his opponents that are involved with thr Royal Family and the RCC. When I first read the description of the latest volumes and enemies, I thought to myself, "Holy shit! Does touma even stand a chance against these guys?"

which is why we need to see just what exactly Imagine Breaker is, and if it can get a (very slight) upgrade

Master Assassin · 2009-07-30, 15:38

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Originally Posted by Magin

Touma being overpowered... well, it's almost a requirement by this point, based on what I'm hearing about his opponents that are involved with thr Royal Family and the RCC. When I first read the description of the latest volumes and enemies, I thought to myself, "Holy shit! Does touma even stand a chance against these guys?"

which is why we need to see just what exactly Imagine Breaker is, and if it can get a (very slight) upgrade

I'd like to imagine Touma with that lol.

Of course the crazy bullet-speed movements of the stereotypical anime martial artist must be nerfed down a bit so that it matches Touma's human movements, nothing too extraordinary (like dodging the Railgun instead of blocking it, that's insanely out of the story). Sure he will still be able to fight and use the Imagine Breaker as well, but in my opinion if he does have a good martial arts mastery = damage +1 (or rate this as much as you like - but I won't give it an ZOMGOVER9000), know how to reduce total damage endured before he goes and score a hit on the enemy (with his bare fists), and also - importantly, break a few bricks (yeah, as how martial arts tournaments always have this in their demonstration sessions) with his non-Imagine Breaker hand, as well.

Miraluka · 2009-07-30, 22:23

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Originally Posted by Soul Assassin

I'd like to imagine Touma with that lol.

Of course the crazy bullet-speed movements of the stereotypical anime martial artist must be nerfed down a bit so that it matches Touma's human movements, nothing too extraordinary (like dodging the Railgun instead of blocking it, that's insanely out of the story). Sure he will still be able to fight and use the Imagine Breaker as well, but in my opinion if he does have a good martial arts mastery = damage +1 (or rate this as much as you like - but I won't give it an ZOMGOVER9000), know how to reduce total damage endured before he goes and score a hit on the enemy (with his bare fists), and also - importantly, break a few bricks (yeah, as how martial arts tournaments always have this in their demonstration sessions) with his non-Imagine Breaker hand, as well.

Touma will be more incredible if his left hand get something to make more awesome in the battles combined with a strategy.

ellifeedn · 2009-07-30, 22:50

I have an idea for a power for his left hand. What the power will do is that it'll absorb the energy from an attack and send it back against the attack, "canceling" it out.

higoku1 · 2009-07-31, 00:46

Is novel 18 out yet? the official website made mention of it yet. But apparently some images from the novel were leaked to the web. Can anyone please elaborate?

MrTerrorist · 2009-07-31, 07:30

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Originally Posted by ellifeedn

I have an idea for a power for his left hand. What the power will do is that it'll absorb the energy from an attack and send it back against the attack, "canceling" it out.

I like it. But it sounds almost like Accelerator's powers.

Master Assassin · 2009-07-31, 13:09

I just hope Touma won't ever have to face an enemy that is physically strong (to an insane amount), because that's where his Imagine Breaker will be useless.

BlueDo · 2009-08-01, 02:22

There will always be people that Touma can't defeat...
Aqua, Kanzaki, and even Tsuchimikado.

This isn't a shounen:get-stronger-to-beat-your-opponent thing.

tsunade666 · 2009-08-01, 06:54

His pretty weak to begin with. Imagine when his first battle well not actually a battle but rather against demon lord level john pen activate index. He ended up in hospital. Then against the alchemist in the 2nd volume.... his still in the hospital but his endurance increase... I think + mental will ( too endure his arm getting cut off ) And then against the sadist accelerator where his body is turn bits by bits.... OH HELL ( he ended in the hospital. Next against tsuchimikado where he got beaten up then ended with the hospital again. But he did manage some stamina with all the running and all. And then volume 5 starts. He did improve here. His not in the hospital after getting attack by a mage and actually winning with used of surrounding ( I really like touma's way of fighting ) Then against the golem user in volume six. Even after a battle against a golem his still not in hospital ( shows a lot of improvement here. AGAINST A GOLEM ) He becomes mentally strong and physically strong too. But still can be considered human like. Not super but strong.

Every battle he then takes on makes him a lot stronger so I don't think he really is in disadvantage though if you ask me. If a god vs a human or a demon vs a human is one sided. Well in his right hand he has the GOD SLAYER punch.

I'm really in favor of the underdog type of character. I wish he never change though if you ask me. I wish his other hand will have a imagine breaker too.

a one-two from a god slayer and your down.

Altima of the Gates · 2009-08-01, 12:10

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Every battle he then takes on makes him a lot stronger so I don't think he really is in disadvantage though if you ask me. If a god vs a human or a demon vs a human is one sided. Well in his right hand he has the GOD SLAYER punch.

I'm really in favor of the underdog type of character. I wish he never change though if you ask me. I wish his other hand will have a imagine breaker too.

a one-two from a god slayer and your down.

Mind you, all you need is one good parry and a bladed weapon to nix this so called God-Slayer and -1 appendage for Touma. He's resourceful and it wouldn't be a mistake to at least learn a bit of self-defense above just street fighting. His greatest weakness is if he and his Imagine Breaker gains too much notoriety. So yeah, I think he needs just a little more than what he's got. Utilizing his more powerful allies would be the next thing.

Miraluka · 2009-08-01, 15:08

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

Every battle he then takes on makes him a lot stronger so I don't think he really is in disadvantage though if you ask me. If a god vs a human or a demon vs a human is one sided. Well in his right hand he has the GOD SLAYER punch.

In the series an angel was shown but Kaori didn't allowed fight against him/her

I wonder if demons exists in the Index world and they have some connection to Touma.

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Originally Posted by Altima of the Gates

Mind you, all you need is one good parry and a bladed weapon to nix this so called God-Slayer and -1 appendage for Touma. He's resourceful and it wouldn't be a mistake to at least learn a bit of self-defense above just street fighting. His greatest weakness is if he and his Imagine Breaker gains too much notoriety. So yeah, I think he needs just a little more than what he's got. Utilizing his more powerful allies would be the next thing.

In the last arc from the anime, Sherry Cromwell recognized Touma as the Imagine Breaker, thats a big problem if Romanic Catholic Church knows about it

tsunade666 · 2009-08-03, 08:39

The red haired guy ( forgot his name ) Compare index to a demon lord level ( I think though not sure ) If she utilize the books inside her head. Though She can't use magic but I find it confusing. The one that can't use magic are the one who has esper abilities right? and index did use magic in john pen's mode. Then why can't she use magic?

As for bladed weapons. As long its a magical weapon it will shattered in front of imagine breaker. Though I don't know about touma's hand.( If it will shattered too with bleeding )

As for the current release in the novel. Touma's isn't fighting alone anymore. He has comrades with him. Though the most intriguing to me is aqua. I though his an enemy but he team up with touma in the last volume.

Nayrael · 2009-08-03, 08:54

Aqua is too badass to not become a protagonist <_<

MrTerrorist · 2009-08-03, 11:18

What happens if Toma have powers like Alex Mercer from Prototype?

Overkill! No, make that EXTREME SUPER OVERKILL!!!

He'll be so powerful that no one in the series can beat him.

Miraluka · 2009-08-03, 17:49

I thought that Touma needs a power or ability that his right hand can't block.

About the novels a friend told me that the queen Elizard named our unlucky guy: Sir Touma Kamijou

Is that true?

tsunade666 · 2009-08-04, 02:33

Who is Alex Mercer from Prototype?

And if its true that the queen called touma Sir Kamijou Touma..... it doesn't suits him a bit.

And as a though maybe the imagine breaker real use doesn't only cancel or erase super natural occurrence. Maybe if it levels up it can also erase normal things or rather if it levels up more it will just erase everything. The ultimate denier. Denying the existence of everything. And erasing all it includes the user. From emotions and memories leaving only a empty doll of destruction that destroys anything.

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kuroishinigami Ava courtesy of patchy Join Date: Jan 2009	since my copy of vol 18 will still take a month or two, I guess we have to depend on somebody who has read the novel like Ken_FF to shed the light on what happen to Kaori, Itsuwa, and even Index.

2009-07-30, 06:25	Link #523
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	Its not your ordinary RPG games. Did you hear the miko girl ( Forgot her name. Her existence itself is hard to remember. Its just she a miko and I like miko ) That he just opens a flag and go with it. FLAG! FLAG! Touma just trigger another flag. And I'm sooooo happy that Touma isn't a kung fu master. His really will be overpowered. Its powerful enough for him not dying. An immortal freak + imagine breaker. Its enough for that. And I'm also glad he uses his brains in the middle of the fight and try to make a strategy on beating his opponents. Its kinda lame for me if you just go punch and kick until you win.

2009-07-30, 22:50	Link #528
ellifeedn Thinker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New York	I have an idea for a power for his left hand. What the power will do is that it'll absorb the energy from an attack and send it back against the attack, "canceling" it out.

2009-07-31, 00:46	Link #529
higoku1 Member Join Date: Mar 2009	Is novel 18 out yet? the official website made mention of it yet. But apparently some images from the novel were leaked to the web. Can anyone please elaborate?

2009-08-01, 02:22	Link #532
BlueDo Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008	There will always be people that Touma can't defeat... Aqua, Kanzaki, and even Tsuchimikado. This isn't a shounen:get-stronger-to-beat-your-opponent thing.

2009-08-01, 06:54	Link #533
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	His pretty weak to begin with. Imagine when his first battle well not actually a battle but rather against demon lord level john pen activate index. He ended up in hospital. Then against the alchemist in the 2nd volume.... his still in the hospital but his endurance increase... I think + mental will ( too endure his arm getting cut off ) And then against the sadist accelerator where his body is turn bits by bits.... OH HELL ( he ended in the hospital. Next against tsuchimikado where he got beaten up then ended with the hospital again. But he did manage some stamina with all the running and all. And then volume 5 starts. He did improve here. His not in the hospital after getting attack by a mage and actually winning with used of surrounding ( I really like touma's way of fighting ) Then against the golem user in volume six. Even after a battle against a golem his still not in hospital ( shows a lot of improvement here. AGAINST A GOLEM ) He becomes mentally strong and physically strong too. But still can be considered human like. Not super but strong. Every battle he then takes on makes him a lot stronger so I don't think he really is in disadvantage though if you ask me. If a god vs a human or a demon vs a human is one sided. Well in his right hand he has the GOD SLAYER punch. I'm really in favor of the underdog type of character. I wish he never change though if you ask me. I wish his other hand will have a imagine breaker too. a one-two from a god slayer and your down.

2009-08-03, 08:39	Link #536
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	The red haired guy ( forgot his name ) Compare index to a demon lord level ( I think though not sure ) If she utilize the books inside her head. Though She can't use magic but I find it confusing. The one that can't use magic are the one who has esper abilities right? and index did use magic in john pen's mode. Then why can't she use magic? As for bladed weapons. As long its a magical weapon it will shattered in front of imagine breaker. Though I don't know about touma's hand.( If it will shattered too with bleeding ) As for the current release in the novel. Touma's isn't fighting alone anymore. He has comrades with him. Though the most intriguing to me is aqua. I though his an enemy but he team up with touma in the last volume.

2009-08-03, 17:49	Link #539
Miraluka Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Age: 34	I thought that Touma needs a power or ability that his right hand can't block. About the novels a friend told me that the queen Elizard named our unlucky guy: Sir Touma Kamijou Is that true?

2009-08-04, 02:33	Link #540
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	Who is Alex Mercer from Prototype? And if its true that the queen called touma Sir Kamijou Touma..... it doesn't suits him a bit. And as a though maybe the imagine breaker real use doesn't only cancel or erase super natural occurrence. Maybe if it levels up it can also erase normal things or rather if it levels up more it will just erase everything. The ultimate denier. Denying the existence of everything. And erasing all it includes the user. From emotions and memories leaving only a empty doll of destruction that destroys anything.