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2008-02-12, 12:43 | Link #322 | |
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2008-02-12, 17:29 | Link #323 |
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EoTS is kinda like AB in that morons will get a base and then leave it totally undefended, and the complete opposite of WSG in that EVERYONE rushes for the flag, especially when they only have 1 tower and going for the flag is the worst thing to do.
They are moving the horde starting point further back, not closer. This is a buff for alliance but people say it isn't because it will encourage more horde to defend instead of race, and alliance will get "stuck" at the "impassable" IB chokepoint. |
2008-02-12, 19:52 | Link #324 |
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PVE and Dungeons FTW. Quit BG.
P.S. And oh yeah, after you ( and your guild) gets the best gear they can, then just take over the horde teritories and stop the lower levels one to level. FEEEELS SO GOOOOD. This will teach the damn hordes( which usually have 2 times more players than us alliance ) a lesson that if you keep on ganking our lower level ones , there will be conseguences.
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2008-02-12, 22:29 | Link #326 | |
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Just compare stats and every thing with other tiers. But tier 6 is by far the best and hardest to get. With my tier 6 ( ice mage) i can crict around 6 k cricts. thats like every 2.5 sec cast. and my druid tier 6 i can easily solo 2 to 3 regular level 70s and yes i am a Restro druid. Tier 6 is by far the strongest gear you can get. what you are saying ofcourse does make sense. If you dont take into account the end game dungeons, such and kara and BT and ... . Then yes PVP gear is better. But i am comparing the Best from PVP vs the best from dungeons. In that case the best of the dungeon beats the best of the PVP. The only thing that can be argued is the weapons. PVP weapons ( weapons alone) tend to be a bit better than PVE( epic ones) But still that can be argued. Of course if you get one of the legendary Weapons from BT then thats another story. Me and around 6, 7 of my other guildies basically dominated Thunderbluff couple of times and downed their boss. P.S. Nope. My toons are in Blackrock, illidan and Kelthegud. These are 3 of the first Realms that came out. I guess the population varies from another realm to other. But based on the census addon , usually hordes dominate most of the realms. P.S. Only 2 of my toons are fully tier 6 geared. I dont play that much *_*. Just have had the game since even b4 wow came out officially. Since the first beta days. So yes, thats only a myth. That you have to play 24/7 to get tier 6 gear. I only average like 10 hours a week on WOW.
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Season 3 is stronger for pvp than tier 6, and to call it worse than tier 5 is just ridiculous. Here's an example:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33694 http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31041 Going from Tier 6 to Season 3 you lose some +healing and damage (and spirit which is completely irrelevant) but you gain stamina, armor, and most importantly resilience. Your mage might be critting for 6k on fresh 70s in blues and greens but that isn't gonna happen on someone in Season 3 with 300-400 resilience. As far as mage goes: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33760 http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31057 Yes, you will put out significantly more damage with the tier 6. But if you're targeted, which you will be, you will drop like a rock with low stamina and 0 resilience. If you're going for a glass cannon type of setup, you'd prefer the tier 6, but with resilience it's pretty risky to rely on high burst-damage with 0 survivability to win. At most, you could say the tier 6 is comparable to season 3 depending on your setup, however calling it "by far better" is completely false. Quote:
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2008-02-13, 00:32 | Link #328 |
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Whitemoon648: I see your server is full of undergeared horde who are afraid to attack back if you think PVE gear is better for PVP. You'd get ripped up if you fought someone with the equivalent of your gear in PVP gear due to lacking the stamina and the resilience. Go read up on the mechanics of resilience if you don't know what I'm talking about.
So, did anyone else hear that they're making the T6 sets full 8/8 when 2.4 comes out? The tokens are supposed to drop off bosses in Sunwell. It seems a little incomplete though, unless they meant for it to not have an 8 piece bonus or at least something about 4 piece bonus. http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=4163.0 <- Information about the new pieces. |
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and thats not even the point. With dungeon items you dont even need to think about surviving long, because you will basically kill the person attakicng you in 3 to 4 hit max. And although i dont like getting my gear through PVP, i have played PVP with guild mates and we usually win 90 percent of times with our gear. I dont know if you have your Dungeon set or not so i cant judge, But i guess its one of those things that unless you dont have it, you wont undrestand what i mean. I mean if you can kill a hero under 10 sec, really you dont need to survive. All you need to cast fast and have good hande reflexes and know how to use your magics and items. I have been able to kill 5 level 70s with my mage before and i dont think i could ever do it with a PVP set. Quote:
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You do have a point but I think you are forgetting one main thing. Its true that you can alot res/dodge/hit from PVP but you are forgetting the important fact that there are many other ways to get those stats. Also There is a limit on how much res/dodge/hit you can get. When you reach that limit you cant go any higher. At the moment i have maxed my res/dodge/hit with my 2 toons with tier 6 set. So even if i had the PVP gear it wouldnt be that usefull to me any ways. There are many ways to max it. One is of course get your other 9 slots with gears that have those stats, and also you have the sockets and Enchanting. Also its true that i wont get as much damage on people with better gears, but in duels against my buffed guildy warrios, i get around 4800 to 5400 cricts , with around pure 37 chance to crict ( not counting in shatter which is another 50 percet). And those guys have max resil/dodge/hit ... because if they dont, they will just get us wiped in BT. PVP gives you resilience and more stamina, at the cost of Crict chance/ higher stats/ healing +/damage + and .... . It sacrifice just too much. Also the diffrences in stats are huge. Around 60 to 80 diffrence. P.S. So based on experience, they are by far the best set. Since i dont see the point of those resilience points since there is a cap on how much resilience and .... you can get. Enchanting and sockets can almost max you up. IF and only IF there was no cap on res/dodge/hit .... , yes PVP gear would be better for PVP. However there is a cap, and because of that Tier 6 ( coupled with enchanting and sockets and your other gear) beats any PVP gear. P.S. I can post my Armory for you to see so that you can get an idea of what type of gear i am talking about, if you want.
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2008-02-13, 09:19 | Link #332 | |||
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The other posters have pretty much already mentioned all my counterpoints, but:
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Survivability is extremely important in arena. As a cloth class with high damage output you will be one of the prime targets and you are not going to take down an entire team by yourself without them hitting you. Getting in a few big hits and then dying in 2 seconds doesn't help anybody. As I've said, I have no experience in anything past tier 5 but I have pvp'd as a warlock in full Kara/Gruul level epics and in the associated gladiator gear, season 1, and the difference is enormous. In the kara gear I had 12k hp and would be killed in 2 seconds by pvp geared warriors, 4k mortal strikes are not fun. In the gladiator gear I can actually kill these people - the stat allocation makes a huge difference. Quote:
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2008-02-13, 09:35 | Link #333 | |
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lol, Well that is true..but I still want both..xD...Yea..Just recently started doing Arenas...If I had better gear I would pwn! We usually win 5 loose 5...xD My 2v2 is myself Boomkin, and my friend who is resto druid xD |
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2008-02-13, 10:31 | Link #334 |
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Well all i can say is that i guess diffrent people approach it in their own way. I just stated how my guild approaches it and we do it just fine.
And PVP 3 does have alot more stamina for mages than tier 6 but that is counter balanced by the amount of Intell mages get. Mana can be converted to Protection for mages. And Yes tanks do need good amount of resilience for End game. I will not argue with you on this point because i have a feeling that you will stick with your opinion regardless ( not that anythign wrong with that ). As i said, its something that you need to have to know what i mean. I guess since i have never had a PVP tier 3 set, then i will never know. But i know how strong Tier 6 is. Since you guys have the PVP 3 i wont argue about its capabilities.
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It appears I'm not gonna be able to convince you so I'll just leave it at this: It is a matter of fact and numbers, not opinion. If you were to post on the official WoW forums that PvE gear is better for PvP, or
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2008-02-13, 13:16 | Link #336 | ||
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So its not matter of facts , Its the matter of Skills and the way one plays. With diffrent ways of playing, you can have diffrent sets of gears. You just have to max out and bring out the item's potential with skills , good talent distribution and .... . Quote:
In general many ( not all) of the PVP players are arrogant ( in the forums , i dont mean any of you here) about their items. If you give them a Grey item , they will say our item is better than you PVers. P.S. I am the mage officer in our guild so what i say goes in there, But Most of the people in my guild like this uniqueness better than other strats. As a matter of the fact, most of the well known and pro guilds have their own unique strats in terms of dealing with end game bosses. Those strats leaks out on sites like thottbot, allakahz, wowwiki and ... and others use them. P.S. So lets agree that each of us have our own unique way of playing.
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After starting again two months ago and going for mainly PvP, I have to admit that resilience is the stat. I currently have about 250pt of resilience and even though I still get hit by criticals, at least I can hope to survive past the first two hits. However, the problem I have is that somehow I have managed to find a guild that has actually managed to get past Karazhan, so I need to keep a PvP/PvE hybrid build. Which is kind of a bummer, since discipline seems to have become the de facto build for PvP.
It's a real pain of being focus-fired down first every time without really having anything to counter it beside the trinket... So far I have had only a few practise matches in the arena with a survival hunter and a frost mage (cookie-cutter builds), but man it's frustrating at times. Part of the reason might be because I'm wearing the primal mooncloth set (no extra stamina/resilience from three items), so I guess it's like an invitation to target me. I would like to go straight for the season two robe instead of spending extra on the season one honor gear. Should I go for the gear or wait it out until we get better? So far the mage and hunter have been rather inactive and haven't really used any of their crowd control abilities to help me. For example: sheep to disable the main-DPS and slowing trap to help me kite. |
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What is your main goal? PVP or PVE? If PVE and end game raid why are you bothering with PVP gear *_*? there are alot better ways to get better gear ( for PVE)and at the same time good amount of gold with less time. Just do regular dungeons over and over untill you get your gear.
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2008-02-13, 14:23 | Link #339 | ||
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Saying "I have a certain playstyle and I find Tier 6 is better suited for it than PvP gear" is perfectly fine, but it'd be preferable to have more solid reasoning when claiming "Season 3 gear is outright worse than Tier 5 for PvP" when all past experience has proven otherwise. Quote:
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2008-02-13, 15:29 | Link #340 | |
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So, how much did the mage cost? I'm still waiting for the armory link. I just find it really hard to believe that your guild geared 2 of your characters in full t6 when you have such a gross misunderstanding about some game mechanics. I'm not bashing you for not PVPing (since it's pretty apparent you don't do anything other than kill lowbies in STV) or anything, but the fact that you have the stats used for PVP and PVE mixed.
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