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I'm trying to bring two thoughts across. 1. The mechanics of evolution doesn't play a big role for our species in the 21st century. Still, people seems to be fascinated about it. 2. Evolution has its very own ideas about fitness (or superiority). Still, people try to impose their very own ideas onto it. How strong I am depends first of all, and second, and third, if I train my body or eat fast food sitting on my sofa. Most people chose the latter anyway. Not that physical strength does help you at all in a modern society. The most successful people in is society are neither the strongest nor the fastest. They're not even the smartest. So why, I wonder, do make people such a fuss about something that has so little impact on real life? I never felt the urge to blame my successes or failures on my DNA. Quote:
Your view on "superiority" is hopeless romantic. Evolution doesn't care for stronger, faster, smarter or whatever human society declares to be superior. You'll find a lot of eagles in this planet nations' coat of arms. But out there, in the wilderness it is often of advantage to be a penguin instead of an eagle. IF our genetic makeup were still of importance for our reproduction rate here and now then too much muscles would certainly be a waste of energy. Again: Bacteria are an example for a really "superior" species. Also cockroaches. If you want to read a good story about what might happen in a situation where Darwinism kicks in again for homo sapiens then read Stephen Baxter's "Evolution". Quote:
You have my full agreement here.
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2007-09-10, 12:40 | Link #62 |
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Cue Godwin's Law-compliant comments in 3, 2, 1...
(The troll that started this thread must be rejoicing by now).
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2007-09-10, 16:02 | Link #63 | |
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The other example: in people of Ashkenanzic Jewish descent, having a certain gene makes them resistant to tuberculosis. Being homozygous with that gene gives them the fatal condition known as Tay-Sachs Disease. But if you want to argue that an individual with a "doomed genome" (say, one in which cancer is more likely) is inferior to another person, you need to qualify it. To that extent, genetic therapy is a rather interesting science. If you're interested in human society and superiority of individuals, I would recommend the book I mentioned above. It examines the factors behind why some societies emerged as the dominating socieities, while others lingered behind. A rather interesting read.
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2007-09-10, 19:40 | Link #64 | |
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A profound and important book and certainly worthy of its Pulitzer Prize.
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2007-09-10, 23:46 | Link #66 |
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There's not really any statistical evidence. Its just that in America the opportunity arises for inter-racial relationships more readily. It still comes down to individual preference. Some white guys find asian girls attractive, some asian girls find white guys attractive. Switch those races and genders around to any others for various options.
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2007-09-11, 02:05 | Link #68 | ||
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http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/...ame-race-male/
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(Like a peacock's feathers, our human society has chosen some genes that, while probably disadvantageous, make a person appear more "sexy.") I was using a common idiom like "the cream of the crop." Don't be pedantic. Females were implied to be a part of this as well. Quote:
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2007-09-12, 12:17 | Link #70 | |
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I see a lot of Asians dating Asians in nyc. Maybe in California it's a different story Stereotypes in this country is way pervasive. |
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2007-09-12, 14:45 | Link #71 | |
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I never said there was anything wrong with it, all I said was that white people and asians get along very well and you don't see black people adoption asains as much as whites :0. Not being racist cause Im black myself *looks around*. Anyways I was just saying that they get along well, nothing wrong with them wanting to get in other cultures. |
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Counterexample: children born with X-linked SCID (severe combined immunodeficiency disease). People with this condition have a crippled immune system due to a genetic disorder. If left alone, many of them likely would not survive past young childhood. Are these people genetically inferior? In terms of natural survival, yes. However, we can now use, ironically, the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV, also called the AIDS virus) to correct this by inserting the corrected genes, through the virus, to cells that can then be injected to the individual. These cells may then become stem cells with the correct genome, correcting the disorder. For those interested, there has been a relatively high rate of success with this method; in a number of failures, the patient developed leukemia (due to the trans-gene landing next to an oncogene - the gene placement is random, and not something we have control over at this time with this method). So going back to your initial example, what's the reason for the crippled development? An error in apoptosis during fetal development? We can't currently correct something like that, but if technology in the future allows us to regenerate (or here, generate) limbs, I'd be giving you the same lines that I did above. The issues of genetic superiority and utility to society are separate in my mind, though... you mentioned both of them. Quote:
What about the aspects of culture that don't shift as frequently? There was an interesting study of sorts that examined the notion that blondes are the most highly sought-after women. The study stated that blondes were now facing greater competition due to the availability of hair dye - now, non-blondes could appear blonde, but they'd genetically be passing on genes for their true (darker) hair color. It's an interesting thought, but it's still arguable about whether blondes are more desired than brunettes or red heads. If it were true that all males within a culture, for an extremely long period of time, preferentially chose blonde women (or even vice versa) your point would hold true. I haven't seen any substantial evidence that would prove even that point, though. In my opinion, our culture seems to be undergoing a trend where Asians are more highly sought after. That's arguable as well, and a forum member who has lived longer than I have would need to verify that such a trend didn't exist before, but if it were true, then it'd support my stance that selection trends (what we may lightly call "fetishes") are truly just trends, not much different than fashion trends or musical trends.
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Back on topic, why has this conversation shifted so far from the original discussion? When did we stop talking about asian women & men and switch to an argument about the merits of natural selection, etc?
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2007-09-13, 01:15 | Link #75 |
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That's not back on topic, that's questioning the current conversation! But I'll explain the relevance for you. Supersonic mentioned "genetic superiority" which is a very controversial topic, so Slice of Life and I refuted it. If you want to know what genes and natural selection have to do with whether Asian women are preferentially selecting against Asian men, read Supersonic's bit on peacocks and how humans have, over time, selected for "sexier traits." Also read the psuedo-study that I mentioned about people preferring blondes to non-blondes. If it were true (and that's what we're arguing), then it would also provide a possible scientific explanation and validation of a trend where Asian men were being selected against.
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2007-09-14, 14:38 | Link #76 |
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I`m 1/2 Chinese, 1/2 Vietnamese & I don`t plan on dating or marrying an asian guy either... =)
*runs off* Okay, just kidding. D= Sorry for my random post, but I agree that many people can have their own different opinions... & I`m sure everyone knows that. =) |
2007-09-15, 08:06 | Link #77 |
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I had two Japanese girlfriends a few years ago while in my undergraduate years. They both dated Puerto Ricans, but it was because there wasn't much of a choice in the dating pool. After all, they were exchange students and were surrounded by Puerto Rican guys.
One of them moved with her boyfriend to mainland U.S.A. while the other returned to Japan and later on broke up with her bf because they couldn't handle the long distance relationship. Curiously, she has never gotten a Japanese boyfriend after that and while I lived in Japan I always asked her why, but didn't receive proper answers. She had a friend with a Canadian boyfriend (in Japan) and it seemed to me like she still had hopes of getting a North American or a Hispanic as a boyfriend, still. She even started working hiring Hispanics in a factory and I wondered if she thought she could meet a new Hispanic bf. Here in my homeland I normally see Asians with Asians in the case of the Chinese, for example. Same with the Indians. Maybe because they are not many they prefer staying together? No idea, but in general I see very different from the case of my two Japanese friends. One thing is for sure though. I always liked dark haired guys so I've never really minded Asians. I think Phil (Yellow Fever) is very cute, although I'm certainly not Asian. |
2007-09-15, 16:10 | Link #80 |
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Asian guys are not more patriachal.....er at least no official studies had verified it.
And if we talking about asian from developed countries then this should definitely hold, that asian males are no more patriachal than say a hispanic male. |
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