2013-04-24, 16:15 | Link #821 |
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i like to see guns owner become license like car owners. A simple written test with multi-choice questions regarding common sense usage of a gun and a Live test to show someone know how to handle a gun.
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2013-04-24, 16:19 | Link #822 | |
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I get where you're coming from, and that's a really good point. The only way to counter that sort of behavior, short of a unilateral ban (which will never happen) is education. This, plus a training course where you learn the use, care and maintenance of your weapon as well as plenty of live-fire practice. I'm really fond of Vexx's idea about restarting the Civilian Marksmanship Program.
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2013-04-24, 16:23 | Link #823 | |
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Frankly, that's my main motivator for advocating for mass transit and alternatives (biking, walking) - getting idiot monkeys out of their magic boxes and off the road. When I am deemed unable to drive, I want other options for getting around. A doctor moves a little out of bounds if they assert a house with children shouldn't have guns at all. If they want to advocate for proper training and storage (just like for other dangerous elements in the environment), I don't see anything illogical about that. Focus on mitigating the greatest risks but don't neglect the lesser risks.
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2013-04-24, 16:27 | Link #824 | |||
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When I read the Second Amendment I tend to focus on the wording "well-regulated." I see it as more of a States' rights thing than an individual freedom thing; it's the idea that ordinary citizens should be allowed to handle and use firearms as a part of a State's own standing armed forces. I do not view it as a proclamation that anyone and everyone should be able to own a firearm, but arguing over the interpretation is a discussion with no end. Quote:
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There's a lot of fear about physicians pushing agendas on people. I won't say that it doesn't happen, but if someone has a firearm then how kindly do you think they'll take to such an obvious agenda push? The physician-patient relationship is critically important, not least of all because a patient is more likely to be compliant with their medications and other health advice if the relationship is a positive one. (Statistics show that they're also less likely to sue you if something goes wrong, and of course it makes your work much more pleasant if you're working with people who are friendly toward you.) So again, the fears about physicians pushing agendas directly on their patients regarding firearms seem very unrealistic from this side, and I hope that by giving everyone a small glimpse into what it's like from this vantage point you all can see why.
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2013-04-24, 16:33 | Link #825 | |
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For that matter, someone with anger issues isn't going to be helped by a lecture on gun safety. |
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2013-04-24, 16:37 | Link #826 | |
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And how would me getting training (which I have had, just not extensively; benefits of having a parent in law enforcement who also happened to be a firearms instructor for years) make me any less worried that some other jackass who didn't get the training isn't going to be an idiot? Either way, there really isn't any point to debating this. Like abortion or gay marriage, it's just an issue that no one will convince someone on the other side of until the counter of their argument directly impacts them (see: GOP congressmen who are devoutly anti-gay, until their own child comes out). |
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2013-04-24, 16:42 | Link #827 | |
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the saftey classes and license wouldn't cut down the psycho killers but will cut down on the number of accidental shooting deaths.
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2013-04-24, 16:58 | Link #828 |
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Gotta go work, hope I don't leave anyone in limbo. I'll just say I'll be first in line the day someone sells a working, reliable stun phaser with a range of about 20 meters. In a highly urban environment, guns are just a mess no matter who is wielding them (good guys, bad guys, police, etc) as we've seen too often lately.
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2013-04-24, 17:23 | Link #829 |
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Well the reason for the car/gun relation is the idea that is should be a State issue, rather than a Federal issue.
All the car regulations are state by state, as are the rule of the road. In California for example, unless posted otherwise, I can turn right on a red light after coming to a stop and making sure I can turn safely. In some other states that is illegal and you can get a ticket for doing so. Gun regulations are also state by state. The 2nd Amendment makes it clear the Federal Government can't infringe on those rights, but the 10th Amendment make it possible for the States to do as they like on that matter.
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2013-04-24, 20:41 | Link #830 |
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I didn't know that some states don't allow that. It's the same in MA, RI, and CT (the three main states where I do my driving, lol); you can turn right on red after you come to a stop unless there's a sign saying you can't.
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You can tell people to treat every weapon as if they're loaded as many times as you want, but if they think they know better, it's not gonna do jack, and eventually someone end up shooting themselves in the foot because they didn't properly clear their weapon - not because they didn't know they should've, but because they thought there was no need to. |
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2013-04-25, 06:04 | Link #834 |
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So lemme get this straight, your not only a physician but also a social worker too?
And in my bi-yearly doctor visits I've never been asked about the sex thing or gun thing! It's not about fear, it's about common sense and and our right to privacy. As a doctor you get to ask questions, as a patient I have the ability to say no, and none if your business, I also can waive an exam, refuse a test, and pull my records at any time and go elsewhere.! I notice 2 words showin up a lot, "fear" and "control". I don't fear you but you can't control me. So I'm jest wonderin why you chose those words? Happily we still live in a place where were free to make our own choices in life, choose a path we determine, and can at any time tell somebody to mind their own business! Illinois already "licenses" it's gun owners with the FOID card, you have the Internet look it up. And when one goes to get a CCW they are required to submit to a state background check, and fire a qualification course, some states may even fingerprint you. There's a lot of ignorance in some of these posts, and lack of common sense. I suggest some might look into a little research before cutting and pasteing old arguments! And some just have a problem with us saying "No!" Or "None of your business" to. |
2013-04-25, 06:51 | Link #835 | |
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Speaking of which, shouldn't you be working on something like this at work? Just scale down one of those vaporisers you built to just burn away clothes or something like that.
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2013-04-25, 07:36 | Link #836 | |
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2013-04-25, 09:46 | Link #837 | |
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For example, the legalization of marijuana in Colorado. If this spreads, part of Mexico's problem regarding drug cartels would be solved. In addition, a well-regulated marijuana industry means more revenue.
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2013-04-25, 11:18 | Link #838 |
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Weed on the rise, tobacco on the decline. Makes so much sense, amirite?
Newsflash: burning plant matter still fucks up your lungs, no matter what burning plant it came from. Both weed and tobacco will do a coal mine number on your lungs--weed even more so since right now it's not being regulated. Not that I think weed ought to stay illegal (it shouldn't), just that people need to stop treating tobacco smokers like the new niggers. Like any addiction, it's an addiction and not everyone can quit (or even wants to quit) without help. Why do so many progressives treat illegal drug addicts with pity but nicotine addicts with so much scorn? It's beyond belief.
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2013-04-25, 12:15 | Link #839 | |
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2013-04-25, 12:28 | Link #840 | |
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The lack of commons sense remark was directed at those that don't look into their own locality to see if they offer beginner classes on firearms, laws pertaining to such, or what is required to buy a firearm! If you want to make this personal, my VM and PM boxes are open! |
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