2008-07-07, 07:26 | Link #101 |
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I dunno about you, but it is a fact that since Asian women are generally small, they are generally 'squeakier' as you call it. The fact that this is even contested makes me go . I mean, just listen to loads of different female VAs with their normal voices, and the majority of them ARE 'squeakier' than Sora as of right now. Or even watch live-action J-dramas; God knows stars like Hirosue Ryoko and others are very squeaky, <_<
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2008-07-07, 07:51 | Link #102 |
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Well, I think it mostly has to do with the types of roles Sora's VA, Kana Hanazawa tends to have. In almost everything she does, she is diminutive and/or is a little sister type. Like for example, she is Yuka in Kyouran Kazoku and she fits perfectly because her character is like a pipsqueak. I guess we'll see once we see more of Sora later on.
Also, I sorta say that she sounds squeakier than usual because all I do is interact with Asian girls and women. I think seiyuu/VAs typically concentrate their voices as to 'squeak' when they're playing little girls all the time. I definitely agree that Asian women tends to speak more demurely and consequently higher pitched at times, whether it's because of the culture and/or physical makeup of the racial features. I just think that the seiyuu does that to accentuate it. Especially with Hanazawa. |
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2008-07-07, 08:15 | Link #104 |
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Oh, I'm sure a lot of people do that to fit their personality or whatever. To me, that fits in the 'cultural' category so to speak. But it's just that it's almost default for Asian women to never reach the 6 feet tall mark that a lot of western women do, or to live up to some super-mature (as in physical size, again, with women growing nearly 6 feet tall or something) image of some western ideal for the most part. I think that's perfectly fine the way it is. And if some seiyuu decide to sell it accordingly with their voice, then so be it. That's why I think they're so good at what they do compared to western voice actors struggling to do little-kids' voices in comparison.
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2008-07-07, 08:30 | Link #105 |
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As for Slice of Life, as I see it the main attribute of these kind of shows is the absence of a classical plot beginning with a problem and ending with a resolution. Because that's not how "slices of life" are. At best you have intertwined story lines of variable length without a clear beginning or end. Instead of a system of scenes arranged under the diktat of the overarching plot of the episode and/or the series. Slice of Life does not mean having a somehow relaxed, laid-back, sorrow-free etc. atmosphere or something like that. (And the other way around.) Slice of Life stories can well be placed in world war trenches.
Anything that can be described with the formula "xxx of the week" is most likely not Slice of Life. MTTK wasn't Slice of Life. I admit that these thoughts have no practical value whatsoever.
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2008-07-07, 08:42 | Link #106 |
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Well, my personal view on what exactly is slice of life represented is based on a focus on the setting. You can have a series with a focus on the characters (standard comedies or dramas), series with focus on the plot (epic mecha/shounen series) and series with a focus on the setting. Even when there is a plot and a characterization, the main highlights of these shows have to do with the "atmosphere" where the characters and the story develop. It doesn't mean it has to be a sorrow-free or laid back atmosphere, though.
Just my opinion on something that's clearly too young to be defined properly.
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If you're referring to the way I worded it, by 'relaxed', I didn't mean in some peace-only aspect. I do think the word 'relaxed' gets tossed around a lot for slice of life style shows, but I think that's only because most of them do feel that way compared to conventional anime. That, and let's face it; relaxed atmosphere + comedy = automatic slice of life it seems. It's like a Western comedian taking humor from the mundane and that's precisely what a lot of slice of life comedies do.
As for my own take on what 'relaxed' means in regards to slice of life shows, it's in its pacing. Instead of a highly action-oriented anime where you get a lot of time-leaps going from one day to the next in a single episode just to progress the story, I simply find that slice of life shows relaxes that fast rhythm and focuses it down more to some sort of an even pacing at least within the episode. I do agree that they can have slice of life events that has to do with grievous situations (Grave of the Fireflies..), but I'm not sure how open ended it is really is indicative of the genre specification. I mean it surely can be for a lot of shows because they simply don't have a singular aim, but look at Azumanga and you can basically sum it up as something that happened in highschool. I think as far as how open-ended slice of life stuff can go, I think that argument can go anywhere. Heck, I can even argue that Potemayo was a slice of life show because of that very combination of open-endedness to the individual stories, but then again, it did have some sort of a structure because of the furry things' lifespans and how they influenced the characters. Quote:
Also, I agree with the idea that no matter what the genre, setting or characterizations, you can still attach the slice of life tag there as long as an anime focuses singularly on a single character and his/her life. As in the literal 'slice of life'. If an anime is more focused about a goal other than that, that would make it less slice-of-life-ish, but that doesn't really negate its impact on the storytelling either. In a sense, I don't think anime can truly be slice of life. To me it's like an add-on genre of sorts. Even conventional anime may have a special episode or two that focuses only on several characters' individual lives and let viewers get more intimate and discern the life of those few. I mean, there's literary examples too, in that the term slice of life comes from literary ways of telling characters' stories in a more concentrated, singular point of view instead of a focus on story progression. And those literary works that has been coined as 'slice of life' usually did have a proper flow of story progression and even conclusions too. Quote:
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2008-07-07, 09:37 | Link #108 | |
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Having a strong and rich characterization doesn't particularly make it slice of life, you know. I believe SoL's comment wasn't aimed at that.
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2008-07-07, 09:50 | Link #109 |
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Very nice first episode. Seems they're sticking with the "girl from the sticks" angle. Felt very much like a preparation for the real deal - something we didn't have with Yume.
Character design kind of felt out of place at certain points - you had awesome looking scenery but the people looked kinda bland and out of place at some points. Maybe it'll grow on me, dunno. |
2008-07-07, 09:56 | Link #110 |
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I wouldn't call Haibane Renmei a Slice of Life anime for the most part because there's definitely a plot. Even the initial filler episodes are there for a resaon. They do character work and explain the world of the Haibane.
"xxx of the week" means there is a repeated plot structure so it's probably not Slice of Life. I've seen only little of Pretty Cure but the appearance of villians that are defeated at the end doesn't look like Slice of Life to me. Of course you can always have a mixture of elements. I also don't see why strong characterization and Slice of Life should exclude each other as WK says. If you could watch random interesting "slices" of my life I'm quite sure you'd get a good impression of my character. You just won't get "a plot". It seems our understanding of that term differs drastically. Which brings me back to the beginning: it's a very vague term.
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2008-07-07, 10:02 | Link #111 | |
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2008-07-07, 12:00 | Link #113 |
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I've always had trouble with "slice of life" as the name of a genre, and maybe now I can see why, since different people have different ideas of what it is.
I guess I think what "slice of life" refers to is something where the daily lives of the characters are the most important thing, rather than the plot. But how to judge that? Very few shows actually dispense with plot. I think of Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou as the archetypal slice of life show, but it has a plot, just a slowly developing one. Even ARIA has little plots in each episode and some overall plot movement. I think a slow, dreamy atmosphere makes me think of a show as slice of life. I think the term must have been invented by someone who normally liked shounen adventure but found himself enjoying a show without that kind of action and plot, so instead of calling the show "plotless and slow," he called it "slice of life." It's not a term I've seen in Japanese, but I'm not sure what term they apply to such shows, if any. Of new shows, Hidamari Sketch is the one that will seem most "slice of life," I think, since it really is the daily lives and characters of the residents that is the important thing there, and the large or small plot is quite secondary. But very few shows are so pure in that regard.
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2008-07-07, 12:23 | Link #115 |
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Ah, the slice-of-life debate. When I think of recent shows that call the term to mind, I think of Minami-ke (the first one) and Sketchbook. As different as those are , just goes to show how broad that term can be. Yet, for me, they both meet the definition.
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And I still disagree that plot progression being excluded really makes sense, because while you don't get the straight up plot in conventional sense, you do get a conglomeration of it by the end of the series for a lot of its type. It's almost like in real life; you have all these different experiences coming together upon retrospection. While you seem to disagree with Haibane Renmei, all its smaller character introspection did lead to the unveiling of the overall mystery. Quote:
Also, by most definitions regarding shows like MTTK, Aria, Azumanga, Potemayo, Lucky Star, Binbou Shimai, Haibane Renmei and others I've talked about, just about all the opinions I've heard elsewhere seems to agree definitely that they are slice of life in the lion's share of the storytelling they consist of. Again, the term more seems to be like an addendum genre than something that is a genre onto itself unless a show focuses squarely on that aspect (like Azumanga). I don't think a small discussion in a single thread really equates to everyone being up in the air about slice of life. I think most people have a pretty good grasp of the *idea* of it. If different anime experiments in different ways of storytelling, that is up to them. It's not up to us to discern them in scientific terms all the time. And of course, sites like Anime News Network has it right like I say all along. Instead of worrying about taking a show into a single genre specification, if a show sufficiently has slice of life aspects, just put it as an addendum. Problem solved. |
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2008-07-07, 17:08 | Link #118 |
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Might I suggest that this discussion of the term "slice-of-life" has now deviated far off-topic for this thread about Mahou Tsukai? Perhaps if you all would like to continue this discussion, you might want to start a thread in General Anime on the subject?
(Personally, I don't usually find genre debates to be all that fruitful. Who cares what genre a show falls into? All I care about is whether the show is worth watching given my tastes. Nevertheless I see perennial debates about what's "shounen" versus "seinen" or comedy vs. SOL, etc., etc. I've watched excellent programs in most every genre and expect I'll continue to do so.)
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2008-07-08, 01:37 | Link #119 |
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Am I the only person who can look past the whole slice of life debate and say that I thought the first episode was full of win. From the amazing OP, to the amazing sound experience, to the jaw dropping backdrops?
This series has rocketed into my favorite watch lists, right up there with macross frontier and code geass. |
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I mean, I still heartily disagree that slice of life is that hard to distinguish, but if people think it needs to fall into more specific line of thought like Slice of Life has said, then so be it. I actually agree with that too as far as shows that strictly tries to sell itself in that regard. In the end, it really doesn't matter as long as the show's characters, plots and production values hold up. Quote:
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