2014-01-09, 21:49 | Link #9361 | |
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I'm sure you SKIP reading Tomitsuka x Shippou fight. And I believe you still don't understand Tomitsuka's armor. |
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Since Parade give false information to fool his ESight, he can't target her. He can target and shoot all the false information bodies, but that's not the target he want. But Tomitsuka can't give false information, Tatsuya accurately read his magic and information about his armor. Tomitsuka can only negate magical effects around him, not inside him, not physical effect resulted from magic. Quote:
"Yet, so long as Tatsuya still held onto the handicap of not utilizing attacks through the Idea, then he was a deficient Magician who could not use magic that directly influenced physical phenomena." He fought Tomitsuka with handicap. He targeted his armor, not Tomitsuka himself. Just like: High Explosive round targets the tank's armor, Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot round target what's inside the tank. Big differences.
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Yea pretty much Tatsuya wanted to drag the fight so it wouldnt hurt Tomitsuka's pride....and alot of people are watching afterall...if Erika was there shes probably Yandering Tatsuya right now...is the nxt ch Tatsuya's bday celebration thats not in the web novel???
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You read Tomitsuka vs Shippou duel ? Quote:
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I repeat 80.000 Blades. I will give you a good example if you can't imagine million edge. Byakuya Kuchiki's Senbonzakura. ( Bleach ) You understand how dangerous is million edge ? |
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2014-01-10, 03:00 | Link #9368 | |
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That's why I'm lazy to talk with you.
You doesn't read entire novel completely. Yeah forget it. Ooh ohh million edge. Weak magic weak magic. Quote:
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2014-01-10, 03:24 | Link #9369 | |
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Then: Hattori shoot a barrage of long range magic, camouflage his teammate and so on-something Tomitsuka can't do, then does that make Hattori better than Tomitsuka? He is good at anti-magic (still worse than Tatsuya though) and decent at martial art. But does that mean he is a better magican overall, compared to others like his sempai Sawaki? I don't think so. He is better than everyone else at something but worse at something else. That's what i'm trying to say. p/s: If Tatsuya only had Gram Demolition in his hand, no brain, no cool, no Decompose, no MB, no ES, you gotta admit that he would be just not as cool as he is now. Anti-magic ability alone doesn't make people awesome IMO. p/s2: for the record, i do read this chapter completely. Not that saying it will change anything.
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2014-01-10, 03:31 | Link #9370 | |
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At first you say tatsuya do this... do that... When tats has duel with hattori or when he fight Kirihara. And he do nothing when tats duel with tomitsuka. Now I don't understand what you're talking about. An about Million edge. Never seen anyone use paper to kill enemy ? Shippou family did. Chapter 14 One of the trump cards of the Shippou Family, “Million Edge”. A magic that used Herd Control to manipulate over a million pieces of paper that turned into sharp blades to eviscerate the foe. Please check. |
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Because when losing magic power, real life knowledge can apply. I feel it stupid that you can control objects and you choose paper as medium of choice. Needles would be a better choice to say the least. Quote:
I'm not sure if i ever discussed that. Yes and no M-16 is deadly, but not when it's empty. When the magic did not ever happens and its affect does not applies, how can you say it is deadly? Tomitsuka took the magic power away from Tomitsuka's Million Edge just like he is shot by an empty M-16. So, in a sense, he defeats the magic. Awesome. In another sense, he doesn't have sufficient power to guard himself if the physical power of that spell is on full affect. Like i said, paper can not retain kinetic power for long so it loses it physical strength the moment it loses its magical power. If someone use something like steel ball instead of paper, the attack,when the magic power is nullified, is just like an out-of-ammo M-16 but with all the shot fired at the target already. This won't happen to someone like Tatsuya who can use range Gram, since he stops it dead cold before it even exists. No kinetic power ever accumulated. Tatsuya destroys the M-16 itself!! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote:
Aren't you thinking Hattori and Kirihara is bad simply because he loses to Tatsuya fast? And i said this and that to tell you that the situation do not favor them and the results don't reflect full scope of their usefulness? (About result: No one win against Tatsuya. And time is not a reliable measuring stick anyway since the chance that Tatsuya feels like dragging the duel on. I mean :he fired "Mist Dispersal" at the very first move!! You bet he experienced stuffs!! About unfavored stitutation: Tomitsuka: totally aware and prepared for Tatsuya's awesomeness=brought out 100% his power. Tatsuya followed "no martial art allowed" rules. Hattori and Hattori: they know nothing about Tatsuya and don't have any counter-measure. They didn't even manage to bring 100% of their power since Kirihara is back-stabbed and Hattori is too surprised to do anything.) OK, then let talk about the duel: When i said he is good at anti-magic aka. "Anti-mage" aka.Magina aka. "Anti-fun" (get the joke?), i assume he can win most of the magicians at close and confined place like practice rooms. Hattori vs Tomitsuka: Hattori will probably lose. Kirihara vs Tomitsuka: Kirihara might have the change to win since he is good at martial arts and he has a sword. If it is an out-door battle, 50-50: It all comes down to one side tries to run and casts range magic to create natural phenomenon to attack him indirectly, other side rushes in and does his martial art. "cast range magic to create natural phenomenon" for example: accelerate heavy objects to create "bullets", transfer magic power into kinetic power. Heavy objects, not paper. Masaki did the same thing in 9-school since his magic interferes directly with human organs' water and thus deadly. Real battles: anything could happen. May be other magicians got "supprised m*therf*cker" and die for all i know . Maybe Tomitsuka got out-played in martial arts department or be killed by any other forms of physical attack. Or in large scale battle, Tomitsuka is just ignored since his magics don't have AoE effect (his armor is individually and his magic is short-range...)=he doesn't have significant role. Hattori on the other hand, gets full attention from the opponents(good thing isn't it? ) --------------------------- To sum up, using RPG as an analogy, Tomitsuka's class would be an anti-mage specialized assassin. He is good at anti-magic but he doesn't want to be far away from mages when they cast magic. He has a good gap-closer in form of "Marionette" to complement his close-range weakness.
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Then let's forget about this duel topic or who's stronger topic. Even though I still think you're Subjective. Last edited by hakazee; 2014-01-10 at 04:11. |
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Lets not talk about shippou or his million edge...it dpends on the user and shippou is too inexperienced to use it anyway...
I just wanna know if the epilouge is really the bday celebration of Tatsuya on shiziku's house?
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What do you think that gonna happens if it is true? I don't even know what to expect.
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Yep but Shippou Family use Papers. Chapter 14 stated that clearly. Quote:
" A continuous chain of sixteen compressed air bullets, far surpassing the limits laid down by the rules, came swarming towards Tatsuya. The Counter Magic Gram Demolition was a technique that used compressed psions as bullets to forcibly eradicate Magic Sequences. " His Rupture even won't work to Tomitsuka because His armor simply Block Psion intrusion. |
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We know what Miyuki and Honaka's bday present, kekeke Its time for that girl to shine...but iwish its on vol. 13 so we can get some pictures
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In "air bullet" the offensive component is basically air that has to be constantly maintained their density by magic. If the magic is gone, the bullet will lose its density and disappear. The move will lose its offensive power. But the magic above, the offensive component is the air that is pumped by a magic can. After pressurized and released by magic, the air moves by itself. There is no need for magic to maintain it afterward. Air bullet is like a man holding a spear charges forward. You kill the man, the spear stops Masaki magic is like a man throwing a spear. You kill the man, the spear still goes foward. "Spear" is the offensive component, "man" is the magic that fuel it. Another example would be Miyuki, she also used her magic to create a natural nitrogen explosion to blast all Shizuku's data-fortified ice block (which is solid against magic interference) in 9-school. So yeah, Tomitsuka can negate magic phenomenon around him. But the indirect magic attack that use natural phenomenon as medium? Not good at all. Better stick with his target using Marionette.
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Yep, for Tomitsuka or Tatsuya or anyone who can use Gram Demollition.
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The point is Tatsuya has range Gram. He can free intercept the magic even before it begins. Repeat, the magic itself. So it doesn't matter what kind of magic it is since it hardly even exists and there is no magical/physical phenomenon created. While Tomitsuka, due to the range, he can't intercept the magic itself- only the result of that magic (magical phenomenon) . So the type of magic matters since different magics bring different results: physical or magical. ---------- Evident Masaki know about gram: Spoiler:
The text show the magic Masaki used against Tatsuya is actually not "air bullet" but "compression air". This text shows the way Tatsiuya uses gram that i mentioned above. This text is my comment: Spoiler:
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