Gonzo to offer same-day subtitled streams/downloads

[Quarkboy]

Originally Posted by TigerII

A rumor said Shinji got about 45 million USD off that deal.

Ha! That's a lark. 45 million? That's around the size of the entire american anime market, and more than Gonzo is worth as a company itself.

The rumors stupid CR children believe.

[TigerII]

I took it with a grain of salt as I do everything on the net, but something was given for the deal to be made. Only question is what.

[bayoab]

Originally Posted by orion

There's always YouTube Japan.

On YouTube..
Blassreiter 5,655 views so far.
The Tower of Druaga: the Aegis of URUK 39,293 views so far.

Part of this probably has to do with the update interval for the stats. Druaga didn't change from 201 views until nearly 12 hours after it aired. Here is the progression so far for Druaga:
04911 @ 4/5 00:00 EST
13540 @ 4/5 03:00 EST
18957 @ 4/5 12:30 EST
22443 @ 4/5 14:50 EST
26697 @ 4/5 18:50 EST
30562 @ 4/5 23:50 EST
39293 @ 4/6 22:20 EST

My guess for the reason between the stat difference is that everyone deciding which they would go with during Druaga and were testing all the formats. Thus all the numbers on all sites for ep1 will be high. Ep 2 should be a bit better for actual stat gathering.

Originally Posted by TigerII

A rumor said Shinji got about 45 million USD off that deal. It is a smart move by GONZO. They show two shows and got about 20 taken off the site. Other Japanese companies saw this and now shows are getting taken down all over, so I assume Shinji is getting some profit. My guess is CR will be made an official pay site in the future as well.

Lets put it this way. If he were to have licensed them, the shows would have only cost 3.6 million @ 100k/ep. They can probably make 10k/ep in donations at best and those are going to start slumping off after ep 1.

[orion]

Originally Posted by guest

Does anyone know how to find these two shows of Gonzo on Youtube Japan? I am not familiar with this. I found them on CR and Bost TV already but I can't find them on YouTube Japan.

Blassreiter on YouTube Japan is here.

Druaga on YouTube Japan is here.

Originally Posted by bayoab

Lets put it this way. If he were to have licensed them, the shows would have only cost 3.6 million @ 100k/ep. They can probably make 10k/ep in donations at best and those are going to start slumping off after ep 1.

But then Crunchyroll will do another drive and give away more posters or whatever else GONZO gives them.

[karasuma]

Originally Posted by Quarkboy

Ha! That's a lark. 45 million? That's around the size of the entire american anime market, and more than Gonzo is worth as a company itself.

The rumors stupid CR children believe.

Hrm... is that yen? Anyway, I could care less about CR. In fact, if this is sucessful, Gonzo is the one that will have the power here since they have the content. That is all good since they are the creators and therefore they deserve the money.

BW cost. Give me a break. Build a login base bt system and credit user for the amount they upload. Problem solved.

Anyway, I expect the dl version to be HDTV quality but it is not. So, that at least disappoint me. So, I won't be paying for the 2nd eps and so on.

[bayoab]

This forum post needs to be read for those who expected super HQ downloads.

Short version: Japan comes first, you are lucky to even have downloads.

[hollywoodlou]

Originally Posted by TigerII

A rumor said Shinji got about 45 million USD off that deal. It is a smart move by GONZO. They show two shows and got about 20 taken off the site. Other Japanese companies saw this and now shows are getting taken down all over, so I assume Shinji is getting some profit. My guess is CR will be made an official pay site in the future as well.

Shinji got $45 mil?? Well, he probably deserves it. Now if I still get those e-mails from CR to pay for "hi quality res" views, then I would probably laugh at him. I used to pay for CR previously...the way I figured it, if I liked the previews on Youtube, Veoh, etc, why pay for it? It's best to DL the file on BT and you can watch it anytime.

[TigerII]

Originally Posted by bayoab

This forum post needs to be read for those who expected super HQ downloads.

Short version: Japan comes first, you are lucky to even have downloads.

I thought that is how companies have always looked at it...

[karasuma]

Originally Posted by bayoab

This forum post needs to be read for those who expected super HQ downloads.

Short version: Japan comes first, you are lucky to even have downloads.

Hrm... You sure about that? I think I see raw around that has higher resolution than Druaga official download.

[SinsI]

Originally Posted by bayoab

Lets put it this way. If he were to have licensed them, the shows would have only cost 3.6 million @ 100k/ep. They can probably make 10k/ep in donations at best and those are going to start slumping off after ep 1.

You do understand that 100k/ep is more than it costs to _make_ one episode on average? Last time I checked, licensing fees were between 10k and 30k per episode(although I might be wrong).
Now let's calculate: they get ~5k/ep for practically nothing; they don't hurt the dub market that is usually 3x-10x times bigger than the subs one; they get a good and cheap worldwide advertising for the appropriate products (both anime and game).

[bayoab]

Originally Posted by karasuma

Hrm... You sure about that? I think I see raw around that has higher resolution than Druaga official download.

The "HD"/720p raws are really upscales. The show is airing in SD in Japan. (This is true for many shows like Macross Frontier.)

Originally Posted by SinsI

You do understand that 100k/ep is more than it costs to _make_ one episode on average? Last time I checked, licensing fees were between 10k and 30k per episode(although I might be wrong).

You have the licensing number right, but the production value one wrong. It costs 100k on average to make one episode. (Source)

I purposely made an absurd licensing value just to show how absurd the number was. It is Gonzo though and my understanding is that Gonzo shows typically go for more than a standard show since they sell well on average. They also cost more to make on average from what I understand.

Now let's calculate: they get ~5k/ep for practically nothing; they don't hurt the dub market that is usually 3x-10x times bigger than the subs one; they get a good and cheap worldwide advertising for the appropriate products (both anime and game).

Druaga was a good choice because of the game tie in. If only they had an english client too.
Now, the unknown questions here are:

• Would they have made more by licensing out the internet rights than they are making right now?
• Has licensing out the internet rights hurt the show's value at all? Can they relicense them to the R1 company that buys the license too? This may hurt dub sales if the R1 company cannot put out a preview copy for some reason.
• BostTV mentioned they had trouble with the music rights. I wonder if Avex licensing the translation rights to BostTV will create a problem when the R1 company goes to license the music.

Also, if a show on the internet does horribly number wise, it will officially devalue the show now. It isn't like they can go "That's an illegal copy." They have very accurate numbers of foreign interest now.

[orion]

Originally Posted by bayoab

Also, if a show on the internet does horribly number wise, it will officially devalue the show now. It isn't like they can go "That's an illegal copy." They have very accurate numbers of foreign interest now.

And so a "bad" show may never see the light of day here.

GONZO is following Kadokawa's footsteps and has a site on BitTorrent for those 2 titles now.

[WanderingKnight]

Umm, what's this? First, it tells me I have either Javascript turned off or an old version of Flash, both of which are blatantly false statements, and then when I scroll down for the torrent it says it's only available for US residents?

Worldwide availability indeed. And I suppose the thing about Javascript/Flash has something to do with either Windows or IE.

*sigh*

PS: I take this opportunity to roll my eyes once more at the ANN community, looking at the forum posts on the piece of news quoted by orion. Oh, ANN, when will you ever learn.

[Jiyuu]

works for me, btw this is easyly the highest quality stream availble for free.
i can watch it in fullscreen mode without it really having too much smuge or artifacts..

[orion]

Originally Posted by WanderingKnight

Umm, what's this? First, it tells me I have either Javascript turned off or an old version of Flash, both of which are blatantly false statements, and then when I scroll down for the torrent it says it's only available for US residents?

Worldwide availability indeed. And I suppose the thing about Javascript/Flash has something to do with either Windows or IE.

*sigh*

PS: I take this opportunity to roll my eyes once more at the ANN community, looking at the forum posts on the piece of news quoted by orion. Oh, ANN, when will you ever learn.

But YouTube Japan is still available for your Druaga needs and probably pwned Crunchyroll and BOST TV for the number of views. You got to wonder how much money GONZO is getting from the YouTube deal.

I saw a bit of the BitTorrent version of Druaga and it's similar to the BOST TV version in quality which is an improvement over the Crunchyroll stream.

You didn't really believe that loads of people were paying $2 right?

And from the same ANN thread, Cruchyroll's officers got outed.

[Slice of Life]

Well, well, well, ...

I must admit my attitude towards this experiment got more and more negative with every passing day and as far as I am concerned it's time to end it. Straw ... camel ... back. Watch me eating my words uttered above.

As long as I watch I'll pay

Not that it really matters considering the less-than-breathtaking quality of these two shows.

I also won't participate in any similar project in the near future.

[cyth]

Originally Posted by orion

But YouTube Japan is still available for your Druaga needs and probably pwned Crunchyroll and BOST TV for the number of views. You got to wonder how much money GONZO is getting from the YouTube deal.

If you look at the current YouTube numbers, The Tower of Druaga 01 has around 46,000 downloads, while BLASSREITER 01 has around 8,000. As BLASSREITER aired second, that time difference may have given us some idea what video site viewers decided to stick with. I believe the ball is in Crunchyroll's park, simply because it's easier to get to the vids on CR compared to BOST TV (they require registration), then there's that 38,000-view difference between Druaga and BLASSREITER on YouTube that may tell us people tested YouTube's streaming with Druaga and decided for an alternative when BLASSREITER came.

[karasuma]

Originally Posted by bayoab

The "HD"/720p raws are really upscales. The show is airing in SD in Japan. (This is true for many shows like Macross Frontier.)

I see. Regardless, I would like the paid downloaded version to be at least as best as any captured version from TV.

We should be happy that Gonzo is trying something new. A new business model. So, we shouldn't bash it yet based on the current deficency.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Toua

If you look at the current YouTube numbers, The Tower of Druaga 01 has around 46,000 downloads, while BLASSREITER 01 has around 8,000. As BLASSREITER aired second, that time difference may have given us some idea what video site viewers decided to stick with. I believe the ball is in Crunchyroll's park, simply because it's easier to get to the vids on CR compared to BOST TV (they require registration), then there's that 38,000-view difference between Druaga and BLASSREITER on YouTube that may tell us people tested YouTube's streaming with Druaga and decided for an alternative when BLASSREITER came.

Actually it's easier to view on BitTorrent if the region lock is changed to exclude Japan only. But in a way, that would shoot BitTorrent in the foot since it has ties to Crunchyroll.

So what they need to do is jettison Crunchyroll, widen BitTorrent's reach since it has a store also and keep BOST TV and YouTube Japan.

[NervZero]

Hmm.. thats really all i can say.. I'm not sure what to think about this topic, I would not like to have to pay for anime.. since well I wouldn't pay for it well thats not true.. maybe I would but I wouldnt know which to buy.. ALSO I LOVE FANSUBBING GROUPS THEY ARE MY HEROS! LOL..