2012-09-03, 08:56 | Link #1801 |
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wow! Aoki is actually can deal against Yui using his pervert talk... and Taichi as usual making some important point...
indeed! They only need to use a bigger desire to suppress their fear welcome back Yui.... well, I admit I must agree that Heartseed maybe want to do something good in the group... His conversation with Inaba can crack Inaba's heart so well... from next episode preview, I'm looking forward to love triangle battle.... that will be cool... and it will get better if Taichi approve harem ending.... lol Aoki should take this chance as well.... no need for love hotel... xD |
2012-09-03, 08:59 | Link #1802 | ||
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I wouldn't say this gimmick targets "conscious regulatory functions" themselves (even if we could agree on what that includes), but rather it amplifies and focuses on a single, strongest desire currently felt, suppressing all other feelings and reason, including these regulatory mechanisms. But they still take part in evaluating the desire prior to the desire being unleashed. Rational thinking, moral values, empathy and experience all help us predict how our actions will affect us and people we care about. If we know the effect will be negative, then chances are our feelings towards the action will also be negative. There are of course instances when you strongly feel like doing something and emotionally aren't invested enough in the "good option" to feel negatively towards what you really want to do. Which is what's going on with Inaba. |
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2012-09-03, 09:50 | Link #1803 |
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Overall, I like where the series is going, in a direction where the other characters manage to do something towards helping each other, and it is shown that Taichi is not perfect, and has problems of his own... That said, I'm also interested in seeing what Fujishima has planned next episode.
Also, the latest Kokoro Connect Love Septagon (One True Orgy?) Aoki x Yui x Taichi x Inaban x Iori x Fujishima x Watase |
2012-09-03, 10:22 | Link #1804 | ||
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I'm still rather skeptical about the effectiveness of the conscious (rational) self in suppressing the unleashed desires, given my view of the cognitive mechanism behind the phenomenon. It seems to me that we're on opposite sides of the fence on this matter. From the looks of it, I might be the one in the wrong here, but I'm not entirely sold on it just yet. So far, we haven't seen a single instance of cognitive interference successfully hindering a desire trigger.
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2012-09-03, 11:27 | Link #1805 |
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I'm impressed with the way the latest two episodes have been handling Aoki. They have acknowledged and even lampshaded his utter irrelevance in the show (he reminds me of Akarin, his lack of presence is his only distinctive trait ) so far and had them do something about it. He has received nowhere near as much focus as the other characters are, but at least he is actually relevant now, if only a little bit. He was barely even visible before.
My only gripe is that I wish he had found a more original way to help Yui. Taichi has already used his libido (and literally his balls once) multiple times to solve problems... it's getting a bit old.
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2012-09-03, 11:56 | Link #1806 | |
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2012-09-03, 12:40 | Link #1807 |
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I pretty much thought "Not another dick solution" when Aoki got his idea. Regardless, I think his solution was better incorporated into the story than Taichi's. For Taichi I didn't feel like it was at all necessary for him to kick himself in the balls or admit that, of all things, he masturbated to his female friends. For Aoki I was actually wondering where his libido went and if they were going to ignore its existence for the rest of the arc, so I was glad they addressed that in a way that finally got the whole hikikomori Yui thing over with. Unfortunately it felt repetitive considering Taichi did something like that twice already.
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2012-09-03, 19:34 | Link #1809 | |
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2012-09-03, 22:31 | Link #1810 | |
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I don’t consider your reasons are ridiculous (far from it). It’s pretty much the opposite. You’re using very logical theories to analyze Heartseed's “unleashed desire” trolling which might not be the best thing to do for this kinda anime. It’s like when you’re using physical-engineering to analyze how a Gundam can move its limbs & fly in a Gundam series and loosing the point of enjoying the show.
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2012-09-04, 08:14 | Link #1813 | |
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2012-09-04, 20:02 | Link #1814 | ||
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How is it now, that simply by realising they're essentially good people, they can suddenly NOT harm others? Were they not good people to begin with? Isn't the real reason why Aoki hasn't raped Yui the fact that he hasn't been sexually aroused enough? I greatly question how Aoki could stop himself if he was with Yui in a love hotel and with her dressed up provocatively. I really do. Not when the whole point was that the desire unleashed is uncontrollable (well, it was supposed to be that way, but plenty of desires went unfulfilled). There are two ways at looking at Aoki's argument (that I see at least). Spoiler for First:
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Out of the two, I think Aoki meant the first, which is why I said I felt 'MEH' with the outcome. It's just neglecting what has already happened, and essentially calling everyone good people. Plus it promotes this 1 ultimate desire without competition thing. The only way you can justify it is if Yui and Taichi didn't know they would be harming others. In essence they didn't know their desires would hurt others. But even in that case, it's still inconclusive. Aoki might not realise him wanting sex with Yui would hurt her, heck, he might think she'd like it and BAM, it would be too late. The whole thing just kind of smells exactly like how Taichi handled Iori in arc 1. He shouldn't have said he'd always recognise her 100% of the time, but he did anyway, and paid the price. I kind of agree more with Inaba and Yui's original way of thinking, that staying far away from strong impulses was the way to go, with the realisation perhaps then being they had to trust those around them to hold them back whenever they had an outburst (since you can't live as an outcast forever/HeartSeed wouldn't allow it). Be more trusting kind of thing. I thought that went well with the whole 'friends are meant to hurt each other', because at the end of the day, only those friends understand where you're coming from, and know you well enough that they might forgive you. Strangers would rarely give you the benefit of the doubt. Or they could've explored reasons behind actions. Like why Taichi was wanting others to be as selfless as him or why Yui actually beat up those guys. Perhaps she still has an inner hatred of men or something. And try to overcome their desires that way. The way they've given us, is just, 'meh'. Hopefully I worded that well enough because it took me a while to properly write down how I thought about the whole thing. I'm probably reading way more into the show than I should. I mean we had instances of simple desires being unleashed like the 'EAT' moment, but then that seemed purely for comedic reason so how seriously can we take it (although it would still go to prove that simple desires can be unleashed, so what hope do they have of inhibiting much stronger ones?). We've still got a final episode to the arc, but that seems more focused on the love triangle so I'm not sure how much more of the whole gimmick will be further explained. Much like the first arc, the gimmick isn't fully explained which hinders my appreciation of how the characters 'overcome' problems.
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2012-09-04, 20:34 | Link #1815 |
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^Thing is, Taichi caused Iori harm not because of a desire to do so. It was an accident that was incidental to his desire to leave the room and go to Yui's house. The damage that was caused to Iori was a fairly remote result of his desire to leave. Simply put, it was a freak accident.
Yui's fear was that she would have a desire to attack boys directly, or indirectly attack them due to a desire to protect girls. These desires are closely related to the possible resulting damage that she is afraid of. She was afraid of the previous incident in which she directly attacked the delinquents. Her fear isn't about the remote possibilities that aren't reasonably foreseeable. Taichi's argument is that she can overwrite a desire to harm by a stronger desire not to harm. It doesn't mean that no harm will occur by accident or due to random factors, since accidents are part and parcel of everyday life and will occur whether or not one's desires are unleashed. Rather, the argument is that the desire itself can be overwritten, not that the harm can be prevented 100% of the time. |
2012-09-04, 22:17 | Link #1816 | |
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Taichi said he was selfish and arrogant and whatnot, but now he isn't? Why? Seems to be 'just because'. I mean, I know he hurt everyone, and he's reflecting, but it still leaves a lot unanswered. So much so that we can't truly say his desires have changed. We just have to accept it, which is why I'm not enthralled. In Yui's case, are we agreeing? Nothing Taichi nor Aoki said changes that she wanted to harm those guys. If the same situation came up again, why would anything be different? Is Yui now going to sit idly by and let the guys harass girls just because her desire to not harm is greater than her desire to harm, thus screwing those girls? How is that any better? Also, colour me unconvinced that Yui just suddenly won't have a desire to harm in such scenarios. At least in Taichi's case, he reflected, but in Yui's case? It just seems like a cop out. Taichi's mentality supposedly changed, but Yui? She still fears guys, wants to protect girls. And like I said, if it's simply one desire overwriting another desire....that's how it works in normal life. What is the point in this gimmick, when the way to overcome it, is exactly the same as you do in normal situations? How was this even successful in the first place? Wouldn't everyone (who's good natured, as these people are), have a desire to not harm people in the first place? Why did that not kick in before? Do you have to consciously realise it? Wouldn't it imply these people have dark desires first and foremost (except maybe Iori)? And that's disregarding the fact people have multiple desires that can contradict each other and are dependant on the environment/situation at hand. Although, maybe it does imply Taichi isn't good natured to begin with...but then he never imposed his selfish ideals onto others before....so....what was the point? This also made me think of how violence can be an action, not just a desire. You can desire good things, but do it through violence. Like killing to preserve peace. How does having a 'do no harm' mentality help there (in this specific gimmick scenario where desires are unleashed irrespective of the action utilised)?
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2012-09-05, 02:18 | Link #1817 | |
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1. The writer intentionally didn't explain how exactly the "unleashing of desires" works; 2. It doesn't need to be the truth, just an argument convincing enough to let Yui out of her self-imposed confinement. Actually if I were in Aoki I would have used another argument. It has already been proven that an outburst can be stopped by others, either distracting the victim (when Inaba asked Aoki to name 5 good things about Yui) or phisically restraining them. So basically they just need to stick together for as long as possible when at school and cover each other's asses.
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2012-09-05, 09:35 | Link #1820 | |
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