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Akiyoshi · 2012-01-17, 13:49

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

I don't see how.

They go ballistic on Jail for making the cyborgs wich is beyond unethical in terms of medicine and human life. The Nakajima sisters and the Numbers were treated well because it wasn't their fault being created that way but so far making Cyborgs is still illegal and taking into account thet the Raptors are basically souless combat cyborgs then the eathical hypocrisy arise again.

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Rising Dragon · 2012-01-17, 13:52

Not really. The Raptors are purely automatons, with no living components to them. Combat Cyborgs are still living, breathing humans, and thus are entirely different when it comes to ethics.

Akiyoshi · 2012-01-17, 13:54

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Not really. The Raptors are purely automatons, with no living components to them. Combat Cyborgs are still living, breathing humans, and thus are entirely different when it comes to ethics.

Raptors are aotomatons in the sense they have no human will to speak off but they're flesh drones. They're more or less the amalgamation of the Numbers and the Marriage.

Rising Dragon · 2012-01-17, 13:55

Source? This is the first time I've heard of the Raptors having any biological components.

Akiyoshi · 2012-01-17, 14:01

Going to re-read Raptors NEXT Design and Ch. 16 but IIRC something about the matter was in fact mentioned.

And talking about that. i wonder if we will manage to meet the original source of the genetic code for the Raptors, maybe a powerfull mage or an expert soldier? An old retired badass that was awesome in his youthfull days? or probably a famous bounty hunter?

Rising Dragon · 2012-01-17, 14:06

There's nothing about biological components for Raptors mentioned in Record 16.

Keroko · 2012-01-17, 14:09

Heck, it even mentions stuff like OS and batteries. These things are pretty much androids.

00-Raiser · 2012-01-17, 14:10

Yeah, there was no mention of them being biological. They're just remoted controlled machines like our present day bomb disposal robots.

Akiyoshi · 2012-01-17, 14:12

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Originally Posted by Keroko

Heck, it even mentions stuff like OS and batteries.

I'm pretty sure Combat Cyborgs also need OS and batteries to operate their bionic parts correctly xDU

00-Raiser · 2012-01-17, 14:15

Nothing suggests that. But I suppose their OS would be the human mind and their power source would be the same as ours.

Rising Dragon · 2012-01-17, 14:25

Initial translations remarked about them being "alive". Later translations say that there's no trace of living components inside them--and thus far everything has suggested them to be entirely mechanical in nature.

Akiyoshi · 2012-01-17, 14:29

Good, more boring Gadget Drones xDU

Signum and Agito will blow up over 50 of these guys with her new AEC-Weapon xDU

Arcc · 2012-01-17, 16:12

Well, it's one thing to say that, but he actually bothered to give them humanoid appearances and faces. There's no way it's going to be that simple. My money's on them going Geth and aquiring "life" on their own.

00-Raiser · 2012-01-17, 16:15

They're to be remote controlled like the GT Robos or Endlaves. Having them humanoid in shape would allow the operator to have a better handle on them.

Rising Dragon · 2012-01-17, 16:19

That and they need the humanoid shape to wield the AEC Armaments, as their profile mentions.

I'm aware of how many people found the Raptors' appearance ridiculous when first introduced, but I imagine they'd look much more intimidating once you attach a Strike Cannon and a Fortress unit on them.

Justin_Brett · 2012-01-17, 16:44

And took away the helmet. Even if it didn't make them resemble a certain squeaky voiced robot, it still looks silly. You could replace it with some kind of mask or visor if you don't want their eyes to show and have it be no different.

I'm betting on at least one Raptor actually becoming a character, and he'll probably take it off at some point then. Having your eyes show means you're important, after all.

itanshi1 · 2012-01-17, 23:15

Justin: Yeah, that'd be one way to add another 'male' character :3

Sheba · 2012-01-17, 23:19

Make them look like Zero Zerker or the Kerberos Panzer Cops from Jinroh (I really hope someone have watched that movie). Because those silly helmets makes them look like mushroom dude from Super Mario.

Justin_Brett · 2012-01-18, 00:08

Oh god now I can't unsee that, and it's even worse.

Key Board · 2012-01-18, 10:39

so how far away are we from an accidental robot rebellion?

AI in Midchilda is pretty advanced. Just look at Intelligent Devices

It just takes one machine to interpret its orders in an unusual way

2012-01-17, 13:52	Link #5402
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Not really. The Raptors are purely automatons, with no living components to them. Combat Cyborgs are still living, breathing humans, and thus are entirely different when it comes to ethics. __________________

2012-01-17, 13:55	Link #5404
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Source? This is the first time I've heard of the Raptors having any biological components. __________________

2012-01-17, 14:01	Link #5405
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	Going to re-read Raptors NEXT Design and Ch. 16 but IIRC something about the matter was in fact mentioned. And talking about that. i wonder if we will manage to meet the original source of the genetic code for the Raptors, maybe a powerfull mage or an expert soldier? An old retired badass that was awesome in his youthfull days? or probably a famous bounty hunter? __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2012-01-17, 14:06	Link #5406
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	There's nothing about biological components for Raptors mentioned in Record 16. __________________

2012-01-17, 14:10	Link #5408
00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	Yeah, there was no mention of them being biological. They're just remoted controlled machines like our present day bomb disposal robots. __________________

2012-01-17, 14:09	Link #5407
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Heck, it even mentions stuff like OS and batteries. These things are pretty much androids.

2012-01-17, 14:15	Link #5410
00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	Nothing suggests that. But I suppose their OS would be the human mind and their power source would be the same as ours. __________________

2012-01-17, 14:25	Link #5411
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Initial translations remarked about them being "alive". Later translations say that there's no trace of living components inside them--and thus far everything has suggested them to be entirely mechanical in nature. __________________

2012-01-17, 14:29	Link #5412
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	Good, more boring Gadget Drones xDU Signum and Agito will blow up over 50 of these guys with her new AEC-Weapon xDU __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2012-01-17, 16:12	Link #5413
Arcc Knight who says D'ni Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: -0,-0,-0,-0: The Brink of Time Age: 36	Well, it's one thing to say that, but he actually bothered to give them humanoid appearances and faces. There's no way it's going to be that simple. My money's on them going Geth and aquiring "life" on their own. __________________ The more that you resist the tide The more it pulls you in The more you hang on for your life~

2012-01-17, 16:15	Link #5414
00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	They're to be remote controlled like the GT Robos or Endlaves. Having them humanoid in shape would allow the operator to have a better handle on them. __________________

2012-01-17, 16:19	Link #5415
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	That and they need the humanoid shape to wield the AEC Armaments, as their profile mentions. I'm aware of how many people found the Raptors' appearance ridiculous when first introduced, but I imagine they'd look much more intimidating once you attach a Strike Cannon and a Fortress unit on them. __________________

2012-01-17, 16:44	Link #5416
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	And took away the helmet. Even if it didn't make them resemble a certain squeaky voiced robot, it still looks silly. You could replace it with some kind of mask or visor if you don't want their eyes to show and have it be no different. I'm betting on at least one Raptor actually becoming a character, and he'll probably take it off at some point then. Having your eyes show means you're important, after all.

2012-01-17, 23:15	Link #5417
itanshi1 Writer, Jester, MtG nerd Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Nanoha Used Car Dealership. RERISE!	Justin: Yeah, that'd be one way to add another 'male' character :3 __________________ For those that belittle their favorite characters, complain about pairings, complain about oversexed images. Stop, thank you. Fear Anxiety Doubt is but a fad. The life of a fad depends entirely on the willingness to support it. Difficulty is a choice. Determination is a path. Your next great idea after your destination is the true goal.

2012-01-17, 23:19	Link #5418
Sheba RUN, YOU FOOLS! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost Age: 44	Make them look like Zero Zerker or the Kerberos Panzer Cops from Jinroh (I really hope someone have watched that movie). Because those silly helmets makes them look like mushroom dude from Super Mario. __________________

2012-01-18, 00:08	Link #5419
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Oh god now I can't unsee that, and it's even worse.

2012-01-18, 10:39	Link #5420
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	so how far away are we from an accidental robot rebellion? AI in Midchilda is pretty advanced. Just look at Intelligent Devices It just takes one machine to interpret its orders in an unusual way __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell