Claymore Chapter 123

[Friday]

Originally Posted by Gooral

I think I might know why chapter isn't out in English yet.

so that what might have happen to that site.....

the next chapter is ready when they are ready, Ok everyone!!!!
let us all give them our support

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by Teresa4Ever

Well maybe if Deneve would have explained it, it would be more clear

Originally Posted by Nixl

You are right T4,

The one time we just may have needed Deneve, she was no where to be found.....

I rest my case.

Roflmao, you guys made me laugh...I couldn't rep you Nixl, but I did you T4.

As for the question itself...I'm guessing the "anchors" act sort of like a tail-fin...they help keep her steady and guide her (so she isn't just like berserk Claire) whilst boosting her up....A car's traction control system let's you drive hard but doesn't let you kill yourself....toggling it off and the other electronic aids lets you drive harder but you are wilder and in less control (which many people find fun), so the driver has to be experienced to set a good lap-time.

Like the wings, maybe Hysteria's "anchors" help her go faster and have more control because, without them, she would be berserk and all over the place and, because of it, wouldn't be as fast....it's not to do so much with speed, as much efficiency and that's what Hysteria often aims for.

She's still presumably blind though to unconventional tactics, which is why Miria could beat her...that said though, if she's aiming for efficiency more this time round over elegance, hence why she cut off her wings...then she may no longer have that weakness and they could be in big trouble.

[Eromal66]

I think Miria was planning to involve the other two abyssal ones but how she's going to do that is beyond me. I hope Roxanne doesn't fall over and break.

[Shiek927]

I have a feeling Miria is simply hoping that, by guiding Hysteria to the fight, that, like a bunch of dumb animals, they'll just start targetting her, and they will all fight.

Number 1, beyond my hope, their is no guarentee that any of them will die....more imporantly though, while I'm not so sure of Cassie right now, Roxanne is cleverer then she looks...she wouldn't fight Hysteria "just because"; all of them will defend themselves but...

Miria is definitely being a bit too hopeful and optismistic - it shouldn't be shocking Roxanne actually talks Hysteria down....Cassie is a bit wild at the moment, but it wouldn't surprise me if Roxanne and Hysteria actually don't fight eachother -- all of them are aware they have been brought back and, plus, Roxanne has a silver-tongue...even as an Abyssal, it wouldn't surprise me if she managed to get Hysteria to join up with her, just so she could use her and discard her.

But no, I think Miria is definitely not thinking-outside-the-box enough....maybe she's simply hoping that they will be enough of a distraction that they can escape this madness, but their isn't much evidence to show that all 3 will actually fight eachother, or even kill eachother if possible...Roxanne I feel hasn't shown what she can really do yet and, while Cassie is a monstrous power-house and Roxanne never mimiced her ability, I feel Roxanne will end up beating Cassandra...and Hysteria comes off as the weakest, but then again, she is the fastest AB we've ever seen next to Priscilla...plus, as we said, while I'm not so sure on Cassie, I have a pretty good feeling that Hysteria and Roxanne won't fight eachother...their is no sense in taking a risk in fighting a fight that's simply not worth it; Riful didn't try fighting Raciella because it wasn't worth it....Hysteria seems to show similar mental strengths and I doubt she'd fight any of the other ZAO's "just because"; Roxanne is seemingly only fighting Cassandra for sport right now and Cassie...Cassie is fighting because her awakening has made her from a shy sensitive girl into a crazy-head. How long that will last, or if she will regain some of her old-self (or at least won't be so bloodthirsty) after awhile as per other Awakened Beings, time will tell...

Miria is thinking way too simplistic about all this.

[fraktur]

actually i wouldn't be surprised if they end up fighting each other. let's face it hysteria is a moron who let's herself get lured to the other 2 so it shouldn't come as a shock if she starts fighting the other 2. i also suspect that yagi is using the fight of the 3 abyssals as a way to get pris out of the blob. the other option is that the ghosts start fighting the abyssals while they are fighting each other. a big battle royale so to speak. what bugs me the most in this chapter is that deneve talked to miria. this scene could have been a shining moment for tabitha. but no, it had to be deneve again. why is the shadow (tabitha) even in this manga? i'm not surprised if she didn't even have 20 lines since her introduction. she's the "one who stood up for miria". but after finally finding her, she doesn't even have ONE line to say? i'm annoyed by deneve and her "cool attitude" which she never drops. i'm annoyed that she has to explain everything to us. but now it also feels like yagi is forced to give her most of the lines. one of the reasons that most of the immense cast isn't developed. why keep such a big cast if you're not going to do something with them? just kill them!

also i want to see the twins next chapter.

Originally Posted by Shiek927

Cutting Hysteria's legs is very much alike to Riful getting her tentacles cut numerous time by others (barring Alicia), particularly in the case to help Audrey and Rachel....they aren't signs that Riful is suddenly weak; just that needs to happen in order for the others to be saved.

i don't really understand why you quoted me there, as we are basically saying the same thing (better worded by you of course)

going to bed now, i dunno if most of what i wrote makes sense when i wake up :/

[Cyclone]

Originally Posted by Gooral

Even though Claymore isn't doing too well in magazine rankings, tankobons sell well:

Isn't rankings of the things in the monthlies pointless since they all come inside a single phonebook sized issue? The only way to get any "rankings" would be a surveys and their website - neither of which is scientific and easily skewed by kids wanting to see more of the porn that is "To Love Ru Darkness", the cheese that is the new Prince of Tennis, or just continue with D.Gray-man from when it was in Shonen Jump, that are all in the same magazine (and recently a few of the others too). Heck, the only reason I get that magazine is because of Claymore and I'm canceling the second Claymore ends, but I haven't filled in any surveys.

When all is said and done, popularity must be determined tankobon sales, because nothing else really could be reliable.

[Ulquihorror]

i wonder if there will be a claymore with the ability to propel herself using yoki-infused farts. Anastacia isn't flying and Hysteria is just playing hooks. There could also be yoki enhanced poop with explosive properties. Furthermore, I've always questioned myself about the possibility of Deneve sharing her body with others when regeneration is impossible. Seeing Deneve regenerate half of her head was a real wtf moment for me. What can kill her?

[Fermat]

@Arlenis: I believe Hysteria is supposed to be zooming back and forth by shooting her blades to the ground and then retracting the cord swiftly so she would accelerate towards the blade, or at least that's what it looks like to me. It's actually not all that logical, really.

@Ulquihorror: Obliteration of her head, I suppose, would kill Deneve. Still, 'twas quite funny thinking, "Hey, she had some part of her temporal and parietal lobes/cortices shaved off. She should've had some right-sided deficits. Also, since she's right-handed (Okay, she's probably ambidextrous, but her right hand is still her dominant hand.), her left parietal lobe should've been her dominant lobe, so the blow should've rendered her aphasic, i.e. unable to speak; thus, aphasia = no more Dr. Deneve moments." I suppose it was wishful thinking on my part that she'd be unable to regenerate her brain.

What I'd like to happen is for a warrior or two to get minced to bits leading Hysteria into the battle between Roxanne and Cassandra, and then for one of the three, likely Roxanne or Hysteria, to immediately realize that they're being fooled by Miria to fight each and then gang up on the Ghosts.

Seriously, for once, I'd like Miria's plan to fail big time. It's about damn time. Galatea's plan against Agatha didn't work out and almost got her killed. Each of Miria's plans have always played out to some extent, so I'm dying for one of them to blow up right in her face and have a couple of warriors die for nothing.

In all likelihood, though, Yagi will make the three behave like retards and have a good ol' Battle Royale—the surge of yoki reaching the slumbering Priscilla. On the plus side of that scenario, however, is the promise of Clare appearing soon.

[Dj0rel]

There's a much more simple way of getting Hysteria to fight Cassandra and Roxanne. Someone just needs to tell her "Hey look! Those two are ignoring you."

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by Dj0rel

There's a much more simple way of getting Hysteria to fight Cassandra and Roxanne. Someone just needs to tell her "Hey look! Those two are ignoring you."

Funny idea but those two dont know her name and Miria does and ignored her.

[MalakTawus]

@Shiek

Miria is thinking way too simplistic about all this.

No,she is not.
Everything that you said in that post is true,but it's also true that everything that you said in that post is,in the end,100% irrelevant.

Miria's plan to let the 3 monsters fight each others is indeed a long shot plan,but you have to think: does really exist a better option?NO.
So end of discussion,she's (probably) thinking of that plan not because it's a great plan,but simply because it's the best that they have,simple as that.

Also,if we want to be precise,it could be that her real plan is not exactly to let the 3 fight each others,maybe she simply wants to fight Histy in the middle of Cassy and Roxy's battle just to lower the speed advantage that Histy has over them (since i doubt that she can run freely in the middle of that battlefield),afterall even if Histy is indeed faster than Miria,Miria could have the upper hand in that context since she has great agility (maybe even better than Histy) and also she has the advantage that she's smaller.
If you look at it this way the plan may not be so bad 'cause i doubt that Cassy will stop fighting Roxy even if Histy and the ghosts go there.....and since Cassy won't stop fighting Roxy,Roxy herself will be forced to continue the fight.
In other words,even without the 3 monsters fighting each others,it could be a relatively good idea to fight in the middle of that chaos......of course the huge problem would be surviving in that crazy battlefield,and honestly i have some doubts that Deneve and Helen can do it (but Miria has a good chance imo).

Of course, if this results in the 3 monsters fighting each others it's even better,lol.

This plan has a low probability of success, but considering that the alternative is fighting Histy in an open field (and this option probably has 0% chance of success) i wouldn't say that Miria is thinking this in a semplistic way.

[Gooral]

@Cyclone
If Claymore would be constantly at the bottom of the ranking, even if volumes would sell not bad it might be kicked out and transferred to some other magazine, who knows. I think.

[rafael1932]

Not sure but it was deneve plan to start with, wasn’t it? she said something to miria and then she saw it – at least someone said that. It must be wrong because it seems that deneve is acting like miria and that is weird.

The plan can only work if they ( numbers 1) have the intelligence of a dog. Roxane is very intelligent, hysteria seems smart but I can’t prove that and cassandra does not seems stupid – she is far more emotional. So it will work because it is the only way to move on but happens to be very stupid because is like yagi is removing the intelligence that we know that those 3 have.

There is 1 anime going on called Mirai Nikki – that is if you want to see a little blood for a change
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyrjB...eature=related

[Dj0rel]

Originally Posted by MalakTawus

Miria's plan to let the 3 monsters fight each others is indeed a long shot plan,but you have to think: does really exist a better option?NO.

There is one better option. Someone just needs to remind Hysteria that she doesn't need to eat the disgusting flesh of half-yoma warriors since the organization HQ is full of delicious humans and then while Hysteria is busy munching on Rimuto&co the surviving warriors retreat. After that they could train the new twins into becoming as strong as Alicia and Beth if not even stronger and with their help finishing of the new Abyssal Ones.

Of course if that ever happens, I could see tons of complaining because the rebels didn't kill the MiBs by themselves.

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by Fermat

Seriously, for once, I'd like Miria's plan to fail big time

Are you nuts? More then half the time, Miria's plans DO fail big time, and she ends up having her trademark "we're screwed" face.

1) On the Slasher's mission, the discovery that the target was a male AB - saved by Claire.

2) The Pieta disaster which, barring the fact that it was already an impossible situation, was made worse by the arrival of Rigardo - saved only by Claire.

3) The killing of Agatha - total success.

4) Going to Staff by herself; nearly killed were it not for the filler's genorosity and the Ghosts arrival...

The only situation where Miria's plans worked was killing Agatha at Rabona....the rest, everything went horribly wrong and a victory was winged only by Claire .

[Hailbel]

I don't think Miria really needs to get the other two to 'fight' Hysteria, all she needs to do is use Hysteria's speed against her and get her in the way of one of Cassandra's 'dust eater' attacks. Eliminate the speed advantage and I think Hysteria is definitely killable by the ghosts. The dust eater is so focused on Roxanne she probably won't even notice she cut off all of Hysteria's anchors...other than to say they taste disgusting XD.

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by Hailbel

I don't think Miria really needs to get the other two to 'fight' Hysteria, all she needs to do is use Hysteria's speed against her and get her in the way of one of Cassandra's 'dust eater' attacks. Eliminate the speed advantage and I think Hysteria is definitely killable by the ghosts. The dust eater is so focused on Roxanne she probably won't even notice she cut off all of Hysteria's anchors...other than to say they taste disgusting XD.

Why are earth would the Ghosts get in the way of 3 Abyssals just to take down one?

Why on earth would they even bother trying to kill one?

They actually went ahead and tried, and predictably got nothing....Miria is trying to get Hysteria off their tail but getting her involved with the other 2....with any luck, for their part, something happens....regardless, it's hopefully (I really doubt it) a good enough distraction that they can make their escape.

I'm with Rafael though that it's not as simple as all that, since, while Cassie may be another story, I doubt Hysteria and Roxanne will simply fight eachother "just because" - they are both too intelligent for that, especially to risk a fight that they might not get out of. Roxanne is only fighting Cassandra right now out of a sadistic streak, and Cassandra is merely defending herself plus, she doesn't have the best mental state...

If Hysteria gets involved, Cassie may very well target her, but Roxanne? I doubt she'll stay put and fight a needless fight with two abyssals...if Hysteria gets involved, the whole thing will be too messy and she will probably retreat or even talk Hysteria down (or vice-versa). Hysteria has no quarrel whatsoever with either of them and has no reason to fight them "just because"...

The other Abyssals had a status quo and were enemies with eachother essentially "just because"...because they all wanted dominion and the whole thing was "just business"; none of them felt anything personal against the others...the ZAOS however have no interest in dominion (yet...maybe); they just awoke and have little idea of what's going on or what to do; I doubt they will let themselves get killed again so easily, picking fights with other Abyssals for innane reasons.

I mean really...Hysteria said just now that she has no intention of getting herself killed, because she awoke just now....so she's definitely playing a bit on the defensive side; she won't take a chance and fight the Abyssals if she's like that; I doubt the other ZAOS feel any different.

[Arlenis]

SO
From what I can gather.... she shoots off the thing into the ground and flings herself around by the chain connected to it? That's it? THAT's her big finale? Someone needs to take that bitch to COLLEGE and give that bitch some KNOWLEDGE about Priscilla; perhaps she'd realize that if HELEN can cut that chain and stop her tactic then PRISCILLA and one of the other Abyssals can as well.

[Hailbel]

Originally Posted by Shiek927

Why are earth would the Ghosts get in the way of 3 Abyssals just to take down one?

Why on earth would they even bother trying to kill one?

They actually went ahead and tried, and predictably got nothing....Miria is trying to get Hysteria off their tail but getting her involved with the other 2....with any luck, for their part, something happens....regardless, it's hopefully (I really doubt it) a good enough distraction that they can make their escape.

I'm with Rafael though that it's not as simple as all that, since, while Cassie may be another story, I doubt Hysteria and Roxanne will simply fight eachother "just because" - they are both too intelligent for that, especially to risk a fight that they might not get out of. Roxanne is only fighting Cassandra right now out of a sadistic streak, and Cassandra is merely defending herself plus, she doesn't have the best mental state...

If Hysteria gets involved, Cassie may very well target her, but Roxanne? I doubt she'll stay put and fight a needless fight with two abyssals...if Hysteria gets involved, the whole thing will be too messy and she will probably retreat or even talk Hysteria down (or vice-versa). Hysteria has no quarrel whatsoever with either of them and has no reason to fight them "just because"...

The other Abyssals had a status quo and were enemies with eachother essentially "just because"...because they all wanted dominion and the whole thing was "just business"; none of them felt anything personal against the others...the ZAOS however have no interest in dominion (yet...maybe); they just awoke and have little idea of what's going on or what to do; I doubt they will let themselves get killed again so easily, picking fights with other Abyssals for innane reasons.

I mean really...Hysteria said just now that she has no intention of getting herself killed, because she awoke just now....so she's definitely playing a bit on the defensive side; she won't take a chance and fight the Abyssals if she's like that; I doubt the other ZAOS feel any different.

I doubt the other ghosts will get in the way of Cassie and Roxanne, I'm saying that it's possible that Miria is capable of luring Hysteria within range of the Abyssal 'dust eater' attack. Hysteria would be pure collateral damage of Cassie trying to attack Roxanne, I doubt either one would even pay attention to her, especially if her main weapon (anchors) get shorn off.

IMO, it's their best option. Cassie and Roxanne may quite possibly kill each other no problem, leaving the Claymores relatively unscathed. Even if one wins, she will probably have sustained such heavy damage that she will retreat, rather than continue to fight (esp if the victor is Roxanne). Hysteria is 100% focused on killing every Claymore, and probably will if they don't find a way to reduce her speed. There is no chance of escape as long as Hysteria is alive, they might be able to w/ just Cassie and Roxanne (the ghosts are very fast, they easily outran Riful).

Besides, I do not think it is coincidence that the author has made an abyssal who's insane speed is entirely reliant upon her anchors close the ground AND an abyssal who's main attack is heavy damage right next to the ground.

EDIT: For Arlenis, When I say anchor, I mean her legs. If people were using anchor to mean her method of moving in the air, I'm sorry for the confusion

[Arlenis]

The previous post made me realize something.
Let's be perfectly clear. Hysteria's speed in the AIR seems to be reliant on those anchors....her speed on the ground however seems reliant on nothing but her legs which skewer the ground just the same as the ejected prongs do in the air and probably due to the numerous count of them give her the same efficiency and control.