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Then again, I don't think they are paid well. It is the sponsorships for their daily (idol) needs, and the perks they get from all those business ties the management has cultivated for them. What are a few compacts (1 compact of powder, with periodic touchup through daily usage, can last for close to 1 month) in exchange for a pretty face to bolster the brand of a cosmetic? P.S I am pretty much an idol chaser myself : being a huge fan of Mizuki Nana, Jay Chou, KISS and a few metal/rock bands. But I am the odd one out because I focus more on music instead of eye candy. Mass girlbands like Afilia Saga East and AKB48 don't interest me much, and I am usually neutral unless there are outrageous antics like this performed that make the entire idol industry look ridiculously shady. Even if the anti-social forces are involved, I believe that they have good business sense not to get involved too much; they are just in it to wash money.
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2013-02-02, 02:18 | Link #262 |
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Every time I hear of an AKB48 scandal, my first thought is: "Why are they doing ? They should stop trying to be like SCANDAL. SCANDAL is SCANDAL !! Unless it's Scandal with Patty Smyth, but that's a whole different story. Don't mess with SCANDAL.. and then I think... oh.... Well... at least they're not trying to mess with SCANDAL.
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2013-02-02, 04:07 | Link #263 | |
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With most people here having limited knowledge of the idol entertainment system (and I think they haven't even set their foot on Japan), fed by misinformation from second-hand sources, sensationalist websites or complete critics of the culture (and sorry, some people wrongly get their ideas about Japan only through anime or manga), I don't know how hard for you to imagine that it's a very complex world demanding a huge cultural leap from a closed Western mentality of black-and-white and an open mind to understand. Put yourself in her shoes, know how painful it could be and she's crying for real, being caught between the devil and the deep blue sea, for crissakes -- it's hard for her whether she should keep silent and let the assholes do more damage or speak up before they do. Personally, as someone who grew up in a multi-cultural setting, I am very disgusted by how people misinterpret things at whatever they see without getting the proper facts straight.
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2013-02-02, 04:49 | Link #264 |
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Maybe you should work backroom in concerts and listen to what is going on inside. Such opportunities are rare, so you might have to offer to work as a lowly paid porter. And you might want to avoid assuming that people put tinfoil hats on their scalps. Secondly, the media industry is never completely clean. Half a month as a Producer Assistant taugh me that.
Another way is to strike up conversations or make friends with people in the branded cosmetics business, Etude House is a good example. The media is effective at smoking everyone because it is their job to do so. Then again, here is a proper one from news channels : AKB48 Star Shaves Head After Scandal Hiroki Azuma commented. So he is a complete critic too?
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Then what ideas would you like to propose? Abolish the entire system?
Trying to impose Western ideals and expectations of the "politically-correct" and "acceptable" onto Japanese society is like cooking Spam over a lightbulb. (I listen to most forms of music, not just AKB; I embraced them in reaction to the overwhelming saturation of k-pop and Bieber, so you may call me somewhat biased. Good God, you remind me of someone I defriended off Twitter because he sought "musical purity over eye candy". You mentioned Mizuki? One of her fans is Mayu Watanabe; Another member named Rino Sasshihara organized the largest gathering of idol groups like it was Woodstock. I like their imperfection. I like to see them grow up as genuine persons than just pretty faces on a magazine.)
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2013-02-02, 06:33 | Link #266 | |
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Add a "no humiliation/humiliating act to be performed as PR" in the contract? They are human beings and that act of head shaving is decadent. Those idols are still human beings, and this isn't imperial Japan as much as they have descended from the historical female entertainers without the physical sex option. Whatever petty action you took on people who don't agree with you, I shall not comment further because that simply shows you don't listen as much as you play. There are people who listen to.music which they can inject themselves into, and subsequently, replicate playing it. These people listen for something called the "flow"; not just tolerating and appreciating whatever mashup iTunes provide. Unfortunately, AKB48 are nothing more than pretty faces on a magazine. Their songs are plain as those factory-churned stuff we have from US popular billboards playing over my car stereo. I must admit, the girls are cute, but they don't seem to have any unique style other than its unique marketing and sales model. It is just a cash cow of looks - that is why people categorise, albeit in an extreme way, as porn stars.
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I'll even acknowledge that the rule against romance made sense when the group first started and all the members were young teens -- makes total sense that they wouldn't want a sex scandal involving a 14 year old girl. But the original members are in their 20s now; they're adults, and the management should treat them that way. Even if we accept that management didn't pressure Minegishi to shave her head, they still demoted her, just like they did Sayaka Akimoto when she was in the same situation. That sends an awful message to girls, both in the band and in the general public, about what happens to women who dare control their own sexuality. |
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2013-02-02, 11:06 | Link #269 | |
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It's messed up but this obsession is also what drives them to spend a lot of money on AKB48 products. Management wants to protect their profits and maybe redeem that girl in the eyes of her fans. The only message here is that if you want to make money by pretending to be a "pure idol" you should at least allow the fans the illusion that you are. Otherwise you're gonna have to be good enough to attract mostly normal fans who don't care about what you do in your personal time. |
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His agency issued a curt statement that they wish to protect his privacy.
For further illumination on the incident, given the vulture-like nature of mainstream press: http://bilingual48.blogspot.com.au/2...ompetence.html http://themhcc.blogspot.jp/2013/02/s...head-gate.html http://shoujikimedia.com/2013/02/02/...nderstandings/
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2013-02-02, 15:18 | Link #273 |
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True, they are fans but these are level-headed fans (as opposed to foaming-to-the-mouth extremists or purists) because they know the terrain better than some journalist who grabs the nearest man and ask questions or pick up references that aren't well-written or based on hearsay (TBH there are only a handful of academic dissertations that attempt to study the idol system in closer detail, and not all of them paint a balanced picture).
If you think it's biased, who else are you going to believe? (It's sad and funny in that some people who watch 0048 say that they aren't interested in taking a peek at the real group, although many situations in the anime were based from or inspired by real events.)
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Personally, I have taken some time to know the real life group better. I have watched documentaries and listened to their music a bit. But ultimately, the anime is the anime and real life is real life. For instance, if Yuuka was a real idol she would have been expelled or at least punished for having this quasi-boyfriend of hers!
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2013-02-02, 20:23 | Link #275 |
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I've yet to hear a well-known non-fan comment about the incident with a balanced perspective, but frankly everyone has a bias.
Patrick Galbraith also had a book, Idols and Celebrity in Japanese Media Culture, which is about as close as academic as you could get, but it's a mixed bag; however, it's probably the only one on idols and that's contemporary as several authors explain in detail how the whole business works.
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I'd love to see one idol, male or female, calling out those fake or so-called fans someday by what Oasis wrote in one of their songs. We put this festival on you bastards, with a lotta love. We worked one year for you pigs And you want to break our walls down? And you want to destroy us? Well you go to hell! Seriously, there's no point for any artist to satisfy only a bunch of wankers. I'm just so pissed off at this whole thing. Last edited by KiraYamatoFan; 2013-02-03 at 04:39. |
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You should know it's very much a mouthpiece of the singer singing it...an expression of self. Even if the songs are mass produced, the lyrics pre-made, the singer singing still has his or her own personality behind it. To deny that is.....Not listening at all. Listen with your heart more deeply is all I would say since I really, really don't want to argue with you (in the sense of having flame war with you of all people) Also no...I'm not an AKB fan. I know they have not as much technical skill as many singers and their music really isn't my kind of tastes but I still don't deny them their......personality if you will.
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Man, there's a difference between Oasis and idols; Gallagher is a controversial individualist and libertarian who has a sharp tongue for anything, thus he made many enemies with his assertions, and in Japanese society he's too much of a radical; the idea of idols in a conservative setting suddenly lambasting their audience would only destroy them.
Again, you can't expect the Japanese entertainment industry -- and by extension, the animation industry -- to conform to the Hollywood/Disney model overnight, and that industry is very insular, traditionalist and stubborn to change (save for a few avant-garde film directors). Bottom line -- if you don't know idols, ask the fans with an open mind rather than to rely on preconceived notions of Japanese culture coming from second-hand sources and idealized fiction. And places like Shitkaku Complex.
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I totally forgot that we had a music section in this site so I'll just leave this post here: http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...postcount=9525
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