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2004-11-03, 10:25
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Join Date: Apr 2004
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EDIT: after viewing a photoshopped akatsuki pic... there are 9. I take back what I said earlier about there being 8. Wow. Jiraiya's got his info all wrong... unless we misinterpreted what he said about Akatsuki. Spoiler for because the pic is huge:
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2004-11-03, 11:34
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Jaice Novak's Disciple
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Fayetteville, NC
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 My Thesis on Practicing Death Jutsus. Does anyone remember Tien and his Human Containment Wave? This was suppose to be the thing that was to seal Piccalo in DB. Roshi's sensai used it to seal Piccalo and died. Roshi used it and died as well. So, then we have Tien, that practices the Human Containment Wave, actually performs it, and doesn't die from it. The Fourth was the person to create the Seal Jutsu, if I am not mistaken. It was referred to as his technique. How do you practice something like that and know if you get it right? When you perform the seals and practice it, does the Death God come out and you say, "Oh, naw, I am just practicing. No souls to eat yet. Come back later?" Hell no. In a way, its a perfected jutsu. Although many people have tried to give explanations as to why the seal was placed on the 3rd after doing the jutsu where as the seal is on Naruto and he still walks around, I fail to see a good explanation because none has actually been given in the manga (I don't think). The Fourth was able to transfer the seal to something else (ie Naruto) and the Fouth still died for performing the jutsu, that's what I heard. The fact that the Fourth can do extra things such as seal in something else and so forth just makes me think that he has more leadway and flexability on this jutsu. Then we see all of the little inferences, like in this chapter, that just screams a slight possibility. Would anyone practice a Death Jutsu to see if they got it down right? I'd say that the last time you practice it to see if you have it right is the day you die. Practicer: YAY! I got it right, after all this hard work (blah blah blah....dies). Yeah Fourth, I see you on the cover with that fake ass smile, it screams evil. You aren't fooling me. Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! To go back on topic, did anyone check out how Tenten was checking Lee out? |
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2004-11-03, 13:02
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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I think from all the vague suggestions given in the Manga so far the most obvious guess is that Naruto is either the conjoining of the 4th and Kyuubi OR Yondaime's son. The one thing we do know about the Death God Jutsu is that it links two souls together: the caster's and the victim's. We also know that once the sealing is complete the caster's soul is consumed - and Kyuubi sure looks nice and sealed inside Naruto (albeit not in the Death God which definitely leaves the possibility that Yondaime is still alive somewhere if he's not Naruto.)
If the "Naruto = Yondaime and Kyuubi" theory turns out to be the case (and it's a big if) then the big mystery is why weren't they both taken by the Death God? It must have something to do with Kyuubi's immense powers. In chapter 230 when Kyuubi gives Naruto his final dose of uber Chakra he says something like "you should be thanking me...me...the one who sealed me, the 4th. You're both alike" which suggests he actually did something with the 4th in the past. Perhaps the 4th couldn't seal Kyuubi inside the Death God and managed to persuade him to be "reborn" or sealed inside a human vessel? (we already know Kyuubi has an intense fear of death) Perhaps it's simply hinting that Yondaime channeled Kyuubei Chakra in the past? (In which case maybe he was up to something dodgy and he will turn out to be the Akatsuki leader) In any case this is what's best about Kishimoto's writing, he drops just enough vague hints to keep you guessing but never hands out anything solid until the final revelation, and it seems he's going to make us wait and wait on the whole Naruto - 4th - Kyuubi relationship. If the Kakashi Sidestory goes back in time enough to see Yondaime teaching Kakashi then maybe we will finally find out Yondaime's name - i.e whether his name is Uzumaki or not (I'm referring to the first chapter here, which seemed to introduce Naruto by hinting he was the 4th - yet went on to refer to him as Kyuubi throughout). Just about everyone in the village is referred to by their given names rather than the family ones so I suppose we won't be finding out if Yondaime's a Naruto or not. Personally I think Yondaime will be referred to as Sensei if he makes an appearance. Sasuke's flashback also begs a lot of questions. Who was the guy telling Itachi he could entrust him with his heart? He talked like their father but the scene was rather menacing, so could their father be the 3rd Mangekyo user and leader of Akatsuki? (and consequently faked his own death with Itachi's help) Maybe it was Orochimaru? The sentence about trusting Itachi with his heart came after Kimimaro said he will live on in Oro's heart, so IF it was Oro talking to Itachi back then you can assume he used the same lines on Kimimaro later on. Maybe it was an as-yet-unknown character who will turn out to be Sasuke and Itachi's true father - and the "leader" of Akatsuki all in one tidy uber-villanous package  .
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2004-11-03, 13:03
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2004-11-03, 13:43
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Guess the only way to now if that is 4th is if we take the picture of the flash back Third had before dying. When we see the thir as a kid. Then the thir with the Sannin. Then jiraiya with 4th and other two. Then 4th eith kakashi. The last one. we need that picture. Then zoom the face of the forth and compare the eyes. because at the end we see the leaders eyes.
if anyone can do that. would be cool Episode 77-79. there should be the major flashback of Third When he says this village wont die |
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2004-11-03, 13:51
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2004-11-03, 14:29
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As for the Jiraiya>Itachi thing, you really don't understand the meaning of "triangle of power" do you. I mean since Rock>Paper>Scissors, that means Scissors should own Rock right?  I still think Itachi wiped out the clan, because the clan isn't as powerful as everyone made them out to be, and they're just pathetic, that and Itachi is a genius |
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2004-11-03, 14:53
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Join Date: Apr 2004
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On topic, I hope "Kakashi Gaiden" flows smoothly into the next Naruto arc. It'd be badass if he thinks of either Yondaime or Obito in the end of his arc and the next frame, 3 years later, is either one of them chilling in an Akatsuki cape with the rest of the supposed badasses. It probably won't happen though. As for comparing the eyes of the leader? and Yondaime, it's very clear that Yondaime doesn't have a ring around his pupil. His eyes are more like Naruto.
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2004-11-03, 15:22
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2004-11-03, 15:54
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2004-11-03, 16:27
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I personally can't wait for the next chapters. It's about time that we get some insight into Kakashi's history. I just hope this whole focus on Kakashi thing isn't a prelude to his death or something. |
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2004-11-03, 16:44
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2004-11-03, 17:05
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what gets me laughing is how every time we see a spiked haired guy its always he must be the 4th or wow he looks like the 4th bla bla etc etc. im more curious as to see how strong naruto going to be after getting 3 yrs of str8 training, and what hell jaraiya going to put him through. sasuke seems a bit different then his usually self. maybe it was his fight with naruto and the fact taht he knows the reason oro would give him power. but is it me or is out of the 3 sannin jaraiya is the best teacher since he seem to be able to create powerful nins from his teaching. the 4th is a dead give away and the little he did teach naruto made naruto way stronger then he could even think of being if he was still under kakashi. the 5th and oro hasnt shown anyone like this yet.
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