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But give it a few more chapters and hope things pick up. if not... Well, it'll be an unfortunate end to your ViVid experience most likely.
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2013-03-26, 00:40 | Link #2763 |
Manus ad Ferrum
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Well, you seem high spirit about it but I am not. I will admit however that the new thing that seems to be going is a lot more interesting but only by comparing both scenarios. Between nothing and a little something I pick the latter. I just want to end it to get it over and I hope it ends soon enough even when I am afraid it will go on for another 3 years at least.
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2013-03-26, 00:49 | Link #2764 | |
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2013-03-26, 07:13 | Link #2765 | ||
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2013-03-26, 11:37 | Link #2768 | |
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No, you don’t get me. What I mean is that the characters introduction and exit from the main spot is really free. I can take anyone in or out and will make as much sense as taking others. For example if I were to remove the Wolkenritter, Nanoha or Fate from their scenes in A’s I could not do it without affecting them. In ViVid I can remove any character at any time and barely notice the difference. The reason being that in matters of story the absence of a character is feel if this one is important but if it isn’t then doesn’t really affect things if he or she is there or not. So when I say they enter and leave without rhyme or reason I mean that they can enter and live at any time because, in the end, it doesn’t matter.
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2013-03-26, 15:46 | Link #2771 |
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Because you're arguing the same concept and we've already proven to you that what you're saying doesn't work the way you swear it does.
And before you start up your usual spiel, yes we know you're going to argue that it's not true, while ignoring everything we say, so don't even bother.
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2013-03-26, 16:42 | Link #2772 |
Manus ad Ferrum
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You ignore what I say when I respong to what you say and poting out why I think my argument holds, despite your reclaims. You see just because you respond doesn't mean the debate is over.
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2013-03-26, 18:15 | Link #2775 |
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We didn't have a problem with closed threads until you joined the forum, Sansker. Whether you realize it or not, you pretty much have gone to war with most of the forum.
And before you say it, we have no problems with opinions. You get to have opinions all your want. Many of us here already disagree with each other on the basis of opinions. But while you are entitled to your own opinions, you are not entitled to your own facts. |
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2013-03-26, 18:24 | Link #2777 |
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But those elements aren’t connected. Remove some of the fights and the others don’t suffer at all from that. No emotional bond is lost because there is almost none, character development is mostly talk on flashbacks that can happen anywhere and the relationships between the characters aren’t interesting. Their dynamics are very similar and boring or they feel force because how they had this past thing that wasn’t mention before all of the sudden taking importance. In the end, there is no real connection in these fights other than they happen in a sequence.
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2013-03-26, 18:28 | Link #2778 | ||
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As far as the Adult Mode goes i found it to be an amusing idea since it's functionality is sort of justified (allowing Vivio to fight iwth her body's full reach and potential at any age, that alone is a great advantage in terms of training and developing techniques). What i don't like is that, as Sansker says, is mostly used for pointless fanservice. Also, i've found interesting when they said the adult mode was an inherent ability of Vivio, that gave her sort of a unique trait, then Einhart comes out with another but you could then tie that to the fact she's connected to Olivie's past ...but then Rio and Miura ...two commoners also have their own adult modes as well ...so yeah, mere excuse for lame fanservice. Another example of Tsuzuki wasting the great potential of an idea/event exposed by him xDU Quote:
In that exclusive respect, i agree with you, most of the ViVid cast is very expendable, the're there just to give some false sense of plot developement ...but i don't think that mean they're necessarily bad characters themselves. I like some of them very much (Sieglinde! xD ...VICTORIAAA!!! *O*) and i find other amusing, interesting or at the very least fun to watch. Again, to me Tsuzuki is a man who frequently comes up with interesting ideas but fails horribly with their execution xDU
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2013-03-26, 18:42 | Link #2779 | |
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But back to the rest, yes the fights are isolated from the other characters. That doesn't change that if you remove -for example- Rio's fight entirely, you've also erased much of her screentime and made her following scenes weird and lacking in depth as you suddenly have a character who lost... but never got to see that fight. Poof, new plothole. And the whole past shebang has been part of the story ever since Einhart was introduced. |
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2013-03-26, 18:51 | Link #2780 |
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Everything is opinion based to be fair there. However the fact remains that in the end the results are what matter. For the little impact they have on the others we might as well just be told what happen because things are deal really fast. You example doesn’t work when you consider Rio’s small role that can be apply to any character actually. Outside from the small time they spend in the front they return to the background and do pretty much nothing there so taking they spot light parts doesn’t create much of a plot hole but just adding more insignificance to those characters.
Also no, it hasn’t. The whole past thing was brought out at the begging, forget about during the tournament, bring back again in a really force manner and is now important all of the sudden when they never seem to consider it like that in the first place. I’m just saying that if the Blekan past thing was the theme of the series they did a pretty good job hiding it.
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