Tokyo's Youth Ordinance Bill

[Decagon]

I'm sorry if my bringing Miyazaki's name into this derailed the argument about the bill. I meant to cite him as a figure "normal" people overseas associate with the keyword of Japanese animation, and as a person whose ongoing productions still gross hundreds of millions of dollars in box office revenues.

[ZeKeR]

curse the japanese and their xenophobia....

[Guardian Enzo]

Originally Posted by Decagon

I'm sorry if my bringing Miyazaki's name into this derailed the argument about the bill. I meant to cite him as a figure "normal" people overseas associate with the keyword of Japanese animation, and as a person whose ongoing productions still gross hundreds of millions of dollars in box office revenues.

And I'm sorry as well for dragging it down that path - it's not really the point. If Miyazaki doesn't take a public stand I'll think a little less of him, but unless he does no one can really know what he truly thinks about all this.

What a sad day for anime, manga, Japan and free speech.

[Master_Yoma]

Im lost here Ive been reading these post and they make me even more lost

[flying ^]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

3) In some ways, this is the most disturbing factor - the likely intent behind this bill is very dubious to say the least. The fact that it actually removes sections targeting real child pornography, and focuses strictly on anime, manga, and games, suggests that there's a pretty clear agenda behind this bill. It strongly suggests that the bill is a brazenly anti-otaku bill. You could pretty much call this the "Anti-Kirino" bill (Ore no Imouto fans will know what I'm getting at there ). It targets everything that her character loves, but nothing except that.

omg what kind of bizzaro wiorld is this???
i guess the business for the real thing is too big to fail there

[kj1980]

One thing that I hate about this is that it basically restricts one form of medium (anime and manga), yet it doesn't regulate movies and regular books. Gee now I wonder why?

Maybe because Ishihara doesn't want any of his royalties being hurt from his 1960s movies and books that he wrote which include rape and sex as a teenager? HAHAHAHAHA. Hypocrite I tell ya. Same as Republicans in America, they want to regulate and protect their conservative ideals so long as it don't hurt their own pockets. wwwww

[FlavorOfLife]

Originally Posted by kj1980

One thing that I hate about this is that it basically restricts one form of medium (anime and manga), yet it doesn't regulate movies and regular books. Gee now I wonder why?

Maybe because Ishihara doesn't want any of his royalties being hurt from his 1960s movies and books that he wrote which include rape and sex as a teenager? HAHAHAHAHA. Hypocrite I tell ya. Same as Republicans in America, they want to regulate and protect their conservative ideals so long as it don't hurt their own pockets. wwwww

Yeah it all about self interest. Manipulating the public isn't too hard especially if you sell it to the parents through the PTA then create peer pressure through "What?! You support that? What kind of parent are you?!?"

I hope someone in the assembly points out why AV isn't included. That would impact the Yakuza's self interest

[Edgewalker]

Originally Posted by kj1980

One thing that I hate about this is that it basically restricts one form of medium (anime and manga), yet it doesn't regulate movies and regular books. Gee now I wonder why?

Maybe because Ishihara doesn't want any of his royalties being hurt from his 1960s movies and books that he wrote which include rape and sex as a teenager? HAHAHAHAHA. Hypocrite I tell ya. Same as Republicans in America, they want to regulate and protect their conservative ideals so long as it don't hurt their own pockets. wwwww

I also made the same comparison with the Christian conservatives of USA. This sounds like the kind of have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too crap they like to pull.

When it comes to their own freedom, social conservatives are the worlds biggest anti government libertarian activists there are.

When it comes to other people's freedom, they are the worlds biggest statists.

I would really like to see someone with a big name call Ishihara out on his bullshit. He and everyone like him deserve a good dose of intellectual humiliation.

[Decagon]

Originally Posted by FlavorOfLife

I hope someone in the assembly points out why AV isn't included. That would impact the Yakuza's self interest

That is because the target of this bill is certain media works marketed to children anyone under 18. Real pornography and eroge and whatever are regulated under other laws already, but more pointedly they are marketed to people over 18, the magical age when people hit puberty at the stroke of midnight as these lawmakers seem to believe.

[asaqe]

And well we are fucked...

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...ordinance-bill

This is quite fitting



Tomorrow Sankaku's blogs will speak of the birth of a 1984 society for anime and manga. Godwin and all of it's variants used to compare this tragic event in anime history. The findings of the first Comic Code Authority in Japan is born.

[Revenger1589]

Well done Japan, another step backwards.

[Dr. Casey]

God dammit.

[Triple_R]

I'm not an expert on Japanese politics, but given that the two (three?) largest political parties supported this, I only see one viable political recourse.

And that's the Prime Minister of Japan repealing it, or vetoing it.

Can he do that? If so, what is the likelihood of him doing that?

Anybody here with a good understanding of Japanese politics and its legislative/judicial system able to answer those two questions?

[Revenger1589]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

what is the likelihood of him doing that?

The man avoids any kind of confrontation and his approval rate is laughable low, you can forget about that.

Edit: This law is clearly unconstitutional and wouldn't stand in court, the problem is finding someone with a par to challenge it.

[Tyabann]

I have to stress that this doesn't mean a thing unless it's enforced on any meaningful level, and with Shueisha and other publishers being unwilling to let this new law affect their business, in combination with the legendary Japanese non-confrontationalism, it seems unlikely that it will be.

[aeriolewinters]

The high courts can veto this if someone from the industry files a Temporary restraining order on the application of this law. They could probably sight this law to be unconstitutional. The last hope lies in the judiciary branch of government.

[raduccio]

This is the dumbest thing since pixelated porn! Look at how well that did!!

[ttdestroy]

Originally Posted by aeriolewinters

The high courts can veto this if someone from the industry files a Temporary restraining order on the application of this law. They could probably sight this law to be unconstitutional. The last hope lies in the judiciary branch of government.

Yeah, but like Revenger said is there anyone or any company with the balls to stand up instead of bend over?

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Revenger1589

The man avoids any kind of confrontation and his approval rate is laughable low, you can forget about that.

Edit: This law is clearly unconstitutional and wouldn't stand in court, the problem is finding someone with a par to challenge it.

Thanks for the info.

I hope that you're right on the constitutionality question, because that's the only legal/political recourse I see given what you just said about the current Japanese Prime Minister.

However, I would advise cautious optimism even there, as government lawyers can find creative ways to get away with things. Just consider some of the things that the US government manages to get away with...

[asaqe]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

I have to stress that this doesn't mean a thing unless it's enforced on any meaningful level, and with Shueisha and other publishers being unwilling to let this new law affect their business, in combination with the legendary Japanese non-confrontationalism, it seems unlikely that it will be.

Ishihara is hell bent on enforcing it, once July 1 comes around we will see just how bad the situation is.