The Q & A of Haruhi Suzumiya

[Ithekro]

Why? Why shorten a four character nickname to a two character one?

[Solachinx]

When writing rough drafts for scripts and stories: it makes it easier for me to use shorthand as much as possible because I type really slowly to make sure I have no spelling mistakes or gramatical errors.

[Ithekro]

Well if you keep Itsuki as "I" and Kyon as "K", you can shorten it to one character.

[xris]

Originally Posted by Solachinx

When writing rough drafts for scripts and stories: it makes it easier for me to use shorthand as much as possible because I type really slowly to make sure I have no spelling mistakes or gramatical errors.

Then who cares what you shorten it to. Use K, K1, U or U1 if you so wish.

Please remember the purpose of this thread. From the opening post...

Originally Posted by xris

the purpose of this thread is to ask questions that can actually be answered as facts from the anime, novel or manga.

You are asking for personal recommendations and suggestions so this isn't the place to post.

[guanin]

Am I allowed to ask about where one can read an ebook of the novels?

[xris]

Originally Posted by guanin

Am I allowed to ask about where one can read an ebook of the novels?

Thank you for bothering to read my post above yours

Originally Posted by xris

Please remember the purpose of this thread. From the opening post...

If you wish to ask questions about Haruhi Suzumiya merchandise then please use the Merchandise of Haruhi Suzumiya thread.

Also take note that both the novels and manga have been licensed so you may not post links to scans or discuss any such scan groups.

Hachette Books - The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya Novels
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[EGFontanilla]

What's the biggest KyonXHaruhi fluff in the series (novels, anime, manga, etc.) you've ever come across? I haven't read the novels yet but the biggest indication I found that Haruhi likes Kyon (even if it is a side series) was in Haruhi-chan when Kyon told Itsuki he loved him. x)

[Tornadium]

Originally Posted by EGFontanilla

What's the biggest KyonXHaruhi fluff in the series (novels, anime, manga, etc.) you've ever come across? I haven't read the novels yet but the biggest indication I found that Haruhi likes Kyon (even if it is a side series) was in Haruhi-chan when Kyon told Itsuki he loved him. x)

There are plenty of Indicators. It would take a while for me to note them down but here are a few

Spoiler:

1. In TMoHS when Kyon is listing the members of the SOS Brigade and what Haruhi means to them he referes to her as "More than Just a Classmate" before he kisses her. Afterwards when she wears a Ponytail to get his attention he smiles and says "Looks good on you".

2. In the beginning of Sighs (Which was recently Aired) we get to see Haruhi shouting at Kyon then storming out with her arms folded. She looks back to see if Kyon is looking at her or following. They make eye contact and she quickly turns away embarrassed. Kyon just smiles.

3. During Sighs after they fight Kyon realises how much he loves Haruhi's Weirdness and Eccentricities after he fought with her and realises how wrong he was for trying to hit her. Meanwhile Haruhi is distressed about losing Kyon and tries anything to get him to like her again (putting her hair in a ponytail). They make up in a heartwarming Scene.

4. Live Alive, The very end of it Haruhi and Kyon share a moment where Kyon realises that Haruhi has another side to her besides her eccentric and bossy nature and he likes it. Haruhi gets embarrassed and demands to ask what he is smiling at and throws grass at him (Which get's blown back in her face) and Kyon laughs.

5. Someday In the Rain, Basically the entire ending was about Kyon and Haruhi

6. One of the major points of Disapperance is Kyon getting back to Haruhi at ANY cost. He rejects his "perfect world" In favour of returning to Haruhi. He is determined to see both Haruhi and his friends again. She is all he can think about while trapped in that world. When he wakes up the first person he looks for Is Haruhi, She stayed at his bedside for 3 days when he was in a coma. There is a nice little heartwarming scene where we find out how distressed Haruhi was when Kyon fell and she wakes up to find him looking at her.

7. In Book 6 when Haruhi finds the love note Kyon wrote for his friend to Yuki she freaks out and physically/verbally abuses him (Let's face it by the Dialogue she was barely in control).

8. In Book 7 (i think) Haruhi gives Kyon Valentines Day chocolates (Which she is embarrased about doing) but it is clear she cares for Kyon a lot by this point, Kyon is also very appreciative of what Haruhi did for him.

9. In Book 9 Kyon finally admits to himself that Haruhi likes him but we are unaware as to how he reacts to it.

Those are just some of the main ones. There are loads besides that.

[dragon4dudes]

Spoiler:

In E8, though we don't know Kyon's reaction, we can assume that when Itsuki jokingly brings up the idea of him, Itsuki, going up behind Haruhi and saying "I love you," Kyon's expression is of disagreement.

There was a similar scene is found in Sighs, but I can't remember when.

In Sighs, Haruhi pays for the bus fare because Haruhi and Kyon each wore blue colored hoodies. At least in the anime anyways... I forget about the novel.

Well, the fact that only Kyon and Haruhi were in that closed space has to mean something.

Haruhi suggesting that Mikuru spill tea on Kyon is a method of getting his attention, however fail it may be.

In Day of Sagittarius, Itsuki comments on the "invisible bond of trust" between Kyon and Haruhi.

Haruhi scowls at how she is never able to go on the search for UMOs with Kyon except that once in the epilogue of Melancholy volume. Though she was scowling there as well.

Disappearance Haruhi is also hinted at being attracted to Kyon. I think

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Tornadium

There are plenty of Indicators. It would take a while for me to note them down but here are a few

Spoiler:

1. In TMoHS when Kyon is listing the members of the SOS Brigade and what Haruhi means to them he referes to her as "More than Just a Classmate" before he kisses her. Afterwards when she wears a Ponytail to get his attention he smiles and says "Looks good on you".

2. In the beginning of Sighs (Which was recently Aired) we get to see Haruhi shouting at Kyon then storming out with her arms folded. She looks back to see if Kyon is looking at her or following. They make eye contact and she quickly turns away embarrassed. Kyon just smiles.

3. During Sighs after they fight Kyon realises how much he loves Haruhi's Weirdness and Eccentricities after he fought with her and realises how wrong he was for trying to hit her. Meanwhile Haruhi is distressed about losing Kyon and tries anything to get him to like her again (putting her hair in a ponytail). They make up in a heartwarming Scene.

4. Live Alive, The very end of it Haruhi and Kyon share a moment where Kyon realises that Haruhi has another side to her besides her eccentric and bossy nature and he likes it. Haruhi gets embarrassed and demands to ask what he is smiling at and throws grass at him (Which get's blown back in her face) and Kyon laughs.

5. Someday In the Rain, Basically the entire ending was about Kyon and Haruhi

6. One of the major points of Disapperance is Kyon getting back to Haruhi at ANY cost. He rejects his "perfect world" In favour of returning to Haruhi. He is determined to see both Haruhi and his friends again. She is all he can think about while trapped in that world. When he wakes up the first person he looks for Is Haruhi, She stayed at his bedside for 3 days when he was in a coma. There is a nice little heartwarming scene where we find out how distressed Haruhi was when Kyon fell and she wakes up to find him looking at her.

7. In Book 6 when Haruhi finds the love note Kyon wrote for his friend to Yuki she freaks out and physically/verbally abuses him (Let's face it by the Dialogue she was barely in control).

8. In Book 7 (i think) Haruhi gives Kyon Valentines Day chocolates (Which she is embarrased about doing) but it is clear she cares for Kyon a lot by this point, Kyon is also very appreciative of what Haruhi did for him.

9. In Book 9 Kyon finally admits to himself that Haruhi likes him but we are unaware as to how he reacts to it.

Those are just some of the main ones. There are loads besides that.

No offense, Tornadium, but you're making some of these out to be way more than what they are, imo... not to mention leaving some important context out. For example...

Spoiler:

Haruhi gave Koizumi chocolates too. And the chocolates also weren't just handed over... they were gained through elaborate games.

And...

Spoiler:

I really have to disagree with you on your take on the Disappearance novel. Kyon isn't desperate to get back to Haruhi... there's a Haruhi in the world created by Nagato, after all. Kyon is simply desperate to get back to the more wondrous and supernatural world that he had before, and to get back to his friends as he knows them. It really is not all about Haruhi, as you're making it out to be, imo.

Oh, and while Haruhi staying at Kyon's bedside for three days is certainly quite nice... she follows that up by levying a terribly outrageous financial penalty on him that almost ruined the entire moment for me.

All told, this really isn't much for a canon romance. It really needs a lot more bells and whistles, imo, if this is going to be the romance that the Haruhi novels go with. Personally, I'm still not sold on it. It's way too subtle almost across the entire board, in my view.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Spoiler:

I really have to disagree with you on your take on the Disappearance novel. Kyon isn't desperate to get back to Haruhi... there's a Haruhi in the world created by Nagato, after all. Kyon is simply desperate to get back to the more wondrous and supernatural world that he had before, and to get back to his friends as he knows them. It really is not all about Haruhi, as you're making it out to be, imo.

Oh, and while Haruhi staying at Kyon's bedside for three days is certainly quite nice... she follows that up by levying a terribly outrageous financial penalty on him that almost ruined the entire moment for me.

I have to disagree with you here

Spoiler:

He did become desperate to find Haruhi. Itis why he freaked out in the first place. Then he trys to get his world back.

I also disagree the financial penalty ruins the entire moment. It is clearly how Haruhi hides her embarrassment. Not a good way to do it, sure (poor Kyon). But the scene is still a exemple of how Haruhi cares for Kyon, dsepite this weird unfair penalty.

I agree with your first point, tough

I don't think is really subtle. Not for Haruhi, anyway. She had many momments that shows how she cares/likes Kyon. Hist feelings are more debatable, tough.

All told, this really isn't much for a canon romance. It really needs a lot more bells and whistles, imo, if this is going to be the romance that the Haruhi novels go with. Personally, I'm still not sold on it. It's way too subtle almost across the entire board, in my view.[/QUOTE]

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Heatth

I have to disagree with you here

Spoiler:

He did become desperate to find Haruhi. Itis why he freaked out in the first place. Then he trys to get his world back.

Spoiler:

He was desperate to find Haruhi, Yuki, and Mikuru. He was relieved to find each. Once he realized that this wasn't his world, he wanted to get his world back. Like I wrote, he wanted to get his friends back as he knows them. It wasn't all about Haruhi, though. It really wasn't. Saying so does a real disservice to how Kyon shows real caring for Yuki and Mikuru as well.

I will grant you, though, that he cares a bit more about Haruhi than he does about Yuki and Mikuru. That does come through, yes. But it's more of a 40/30/30 split for me than 100/0/0

Spoiler:

I also disagree the financial penalty ruins the entire moment. It is clearly how Haruhi hides her embarrassment. Not a good way to do it, sure (poor Kyon). But the scene is still a exemple of how Haruhi cares for Kyon, dsepite this weird unfair penalty.

Spoiler:

A person you care for has been put into a coma for days. You actually hold that against him, and punish him severely for it. Where the hell is the caring there? It almost completely cancels out with how Haruhi stayed with him for three days, imo.

You just don't do that, Heatth, to somebody that you care about and who was stuck in a coma for days. Issuing this outrageous financial penalty for getting injured - it's awful!

At the very least, it feels to me that Haruhi doesn't want Kyon to "get the wrong idea" from what she did for him; that she would do the same for any other SOS Brigade member. Well... if she doesn't want Kyon to "get the wrong idea", maybe we shouldn't either. *Shrugs*

That financial penalty certainly isn't my idea of a caring would-be girlfriend.

I don't think is really subtle. Not for Haruhi, anyway. She had many momments that shows how she cares/likes Kyon. Hist feelings are more debatable, tough.

I'd actually flip that. I'm more sold on Kyon romantically liking Haruhi than I am on Haruhi romantically liking Kyon... it's just that Kyon strikes me as somewhat indecisive between the three female SOS Brigade members. Remember, Kyon's the one who initiated the kiss (in the dream), and who remains aware of it having been real. Kyon's the one who has actually commented on the other person's physical attractiveness. I don't think that we even know what Haruhi thinks of Kyon's physical appearance, do we?

I'm open to being corrected on that, though.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Spoiler:

He was desperate to find Haruhi, Yuki, and Mikuru. He was relieved to find each. Once he realized that this wasn't his world, he wanted to get his world back. Like I wrote, he wanted to get his friends back as he knows them. It wasn't all about Haruhi, though. It really wasn't. Saying so does a real disservice to how Kyon shows real caring for Yuki and Mikuru as well.

I will grant you, though, that he cares a bit more about Haruhi than he does about Yuki and Mikuru. That does come through, yes. But it's more of a 40/30/30 split for me than 100/0/0

I don't disagree with you here. Just pointing that Tornadium is not totally wrong.

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Spoiler:

A person you care for has been put into a coma for days. You actually hold that against him, and punish him severely for it. Where the hell is the caring there? It almost completely cancels out with how Haruhi stayed with him for three days, imo.

You just don't do that, Heatth, to somebody that you care about and who was stuck in a coma for days. Issuing this outrageous financial penalty for getting injured - it's awful!

At the very least, it feels to me that Haruhi doesn't want Kyon to "get the wrong idea" from what she did for him; that she would do the same for any other SOS Brigade member. Well... if she doesn't want Kyon to "get the wrong idea", maybe we shouldn't either. *Shrugs*

That financial penalty certainly isn't my idea of a caring would-be girlfriend.

[spoier]Of course you just don't do that. That is why I said is not a good way. But I really don't think it cancel the last three days. She was pretty concerned with him and becomes flushed when noticed he was ok and saw sleeping/being concerned. Then she try to hide it in a compleate unreasonable non-girlfriendish way. She was really trying to have Kyon don't geting the wrongright idea. This might kill the moment for Kyon, but is still shows how concerned she was. Also, notice she only aplies this penaltys to Kyon, never to other people, even when they are late (like Mikuru in Sighs, or everybody else in Dissociation).

Originally Posted by Triple_R

I'd actually flip that. I'm more sold on Kyon romantically liking Haruhi than I am on Haruhi romantically liking Kyon... it's just that Kyon strikes me as somewhat indecisive between the three female SOS Brigade members. Remember, Kyon's the one who initiated the kiss (in the dream), and who remains aware of it having been real. Kyon's the one who has actually commented on the other person's physical attractiveness. I don't think that we even know what Haruhi thinks of Kyon's physical appearance, do we?

I'm open to being corrected on that, though.

You are weird.

Joke (It might be me who is weird right?). Anyway, Kyon was who initiated the kiss, but was Haruhi who wanted to be kissed. And she did tryed to please Kyon latter wearing the ponytail. And I really belive Haruhi is more interested by Kyons personality then by his appearance. It is impossible know if she finds him atractive, anyway, unless she explicitly say him so. She did however, asked Miuru to take a photo of him sleeping in the Lone Island.

I am also open to be corrected, naturally. Sorry if I am a bit insistent.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Heatth

You are weird.

Joke (It might be me who is weird right?).

No, I accept that I'm 'weird' here, in that I reject the conventional wisdom surrounding some of the character relationships in this franchise. Like I said, I'm just not sold on a lot of it.

[worldruined]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Spoiler:

He was desperate to find Haruhi, Yuki, Mikuru, and Koizumi. He was relieved to find each. Once he realized that this wasn't his world, he wanted to get his world back. Like I wrote, he wanted to get his friends back as he knows them. It wasn't all about Haruhi, though. It really wasn't. Saying so does a real disservice to how Kyon shows real caring for Yuki, Mikuru, and Koizumi as well.

Just wanted to fix that for you.

Originally Posted by Heatth

Spoiler:

Of course you just don't do that. That is why I said is not a good way. But I really don't think it cancel the last three days. She was pretty concerned with him and becomes flushed when noticed he was ok and saw sleeping/being concerned. Then she try to hide it in a compleate unreasonable non-girlfriendish way. She was really trying to have Kyon don't geting the wrongright idea. This might kill the moment for Kyon, but is still shows how concerned she was. Also, notice she only aplies this penaltys to Kyon, never to other people, even when they are late (like Mikuru in Sighs, or everybody else in Dissociation).

Spoiler:

It doesn't even kill the moment for Kyon. He not only completely expects her reaction, but he seems to find it endearing that she's clearly faking how mad she is. Her "financial penalty" is just like many of the other things she does or says in regards to Kyon -- an attempt to cover up her embarrassment with anger or forcefulness. This isn't anything new, and Kyon accepts the terms pretty willingly. (Sure, he gripes about them, but the entire time he's griping, he's also describing how brilliant her smile is and how even her cussing is like "heavenly singing".) I'm looking forward to seeing this scene animated someday, because I think the visuals + voice acting will make the overall emotions a little clearer.

...If I may ask a question? Haruhi's actions often seem ridiculously transparent to me -- is it just because I'm a girl and can see her point of view maybe a little easier? The "financial penalty" scene in Disappearance, the chocolates scene in Intrigues... they just scream "Haruhi likes Kyon but can't tell him because she's embarrassed out of her mind to do so, thus resulting in the 'I tease you because I like you' game". Is it really not that obvious?

[CrowKenobi]

Originally Posted by worldruined

Spoiler for question:

...If I may ask a question? Haruhi's actions often seem ridiculously transparent to me -- is it just because I'm a girl and can see her point of view maybe a little easier? The "financial penalty" scene in Disappearance, the chocolates scene in Intrigues... they just scream "Haruhi likes Kyon but can't tell him because she's embarrassed out of her mind to do so, thus resulting in the 'I tease you because I like you' game". Is it really not that obvious?

It COULD be, but we don't know for sure because of Kyon being an unreliable narrator.

But, you also have to factor in that because Haruhi is the Brigade Leader, (imho) she can't show any real favoritism to her subordinates... thus the elaborate games and other stuff.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Plus the fact that she'd be completely going back on what she said to Kyon all the way back in Melancholy.

[Tornadium]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

No offense, Tornadium, but you're making some of these out to be way more than what they are, imo... not to mention leaving some important context out. For example...

Again it's my interpretation. That's what i (and quite a lot of the fanbase over the years) think in terms of their relationship. Take it as you will, I just think those are some of a LONG list of things.

That is sort of the entire point of an ongoing series. There is absolutely NOTHING Concrete for any character relationships. The points i made were discussed on other boards and everyone basically agreed. (When you know the /a/ board of 4chan actually agrees on somthing well that's quite suprising.)

Spoiler:

Haruhi gave Koizumi chocolates too. And the chocolates also weren't just handed over... they were gained through elaborate games.

Spoiler:

Yes true Haruhi did give Koizumi the Chocolates, If you look at how that scene is written though it is clear Haruhi was focusing on Kyon during it to see his reaction. The elaborate games, Well that in my opinion is just Haruhi's nature. She couldn't be seen to just give him the chocolates. She had to hide her true motives by making it into a game.

Spoiler:

I really have to disagree with you on your take on the Disappearance novel. Kyon isn't desperate to get back to Haruhi... there's a Haruhi in the world created by Nagato, after all. Kyon is simply desperate to get back to the more wondrous and supernatural world that he had before, and to get back to his friends as he knows them. It really is not all about Haruhi, as you're making it out to be, imo.

Oh, and while Haruhi staying at Kyon's bedside for three days is certainly quite nice... she follows that up by levying a terribly outrageous financial penalty on him that almost ruined the entire moment for me.

Spoiler:

A few things here.

The Haruhi created in the world made by Nagato is not HIS Haruhi. They havn't shared what they already shared together. There are a few telltale signs written into the novel which suggest his true motives are getting back to Haruhi. There is the point of him getting back to his friends and his world but for the most part to me it seems like Haruhi is the main driving force. Hell the Author even stated in a 2005 interview that it was a story of Kyon fighting to get back to her.

I don't know if that was a misinterpretation of what he said or he just misworded it but that's what it said.

Maybe it was my bad wording but i didn't mean to make it sound like 100% Haruhi. I'm just saying the MAIN reason was her.

Oh and It's Haruhi dude, Staying at his bedside for 3 days counts for somthing. Her little "Penalty" was cute i think, she was so happy to see him awake she flips out.

All told, this really isn't much for a canon romance. It really needs a lot more bells and whistles, imo, if this is going to be the romance that the Haruhi novels go with. Personally, I'm still not sold on it. It's way too subtle almost across the entire board, in my view.

Right now i'll agree with you, There is absolutely not enough canon romance for any relationship in Haruhi at this point.

Spoiler:

Book 9 sort of started us down that track with Kyon admiting he likes Haruhi

There simply needs to be more.

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Spoiler:

He was desperate to find Haruhi, Yuki, and Mikuru. He was relieved to find each. Once he realized that this wasn't his world, he wanted to get his world back. Like I wrote, he wanted to get his friends back as he knows them. It wasn't all about Haruhi, though. It really wasn't. Saying so does a real disservice to how Kyon shows real caring for Yuki and Mikuru as well.

I will grant you, though, that he cares a bit more about Haruhi than he does about Yuki and Mikuru. That does come through, yes. But it's more of a 40/30/30 split for me than 100/0/0

Spoiler:

He was desperate to find all of them. As i said above it was my bad wording. The main focus is Haruhi but it isn't 100% of course. He cares for Mikuru and Yuki but no where near in the realms of how much he cares for Haruhi. I'd say 50/25/25.

Spoiler:

A person you care for has been put into a coma for days. You actually hold that against him, and punish him severely for it. Where the hell is the caring there? It almost completely cancels out with how Haruhi stayed with him for three days, imo.

You just don't do that, Heatth, to somebody that you care about and who was stuck in a coma for days. Issuing this outrageous financial penalty for getting injured - it's awful!

At the very least, it feels to me that Haruhi doesn't want Kyon to "get the wrong idea" from what she did for him; that she would do the same for any other SOS Brigade member. Well... if she doesn't want Kyon to "get the wrong idea", maybe we shouldn't either. *Shrugs*

That financial penalty certainly isn't my idea of a caring would-be girlfriend.

Spoiler:

Again it's Haruhi bro, She hides her true feelings, Kyon even expects it to happen hell he even laughs at it. It's extremely obvious that Haruhi cares for Kyon in ways no one else does. Haruhi stayed at his bedside for 3 days without leaving, Hell she probably would have stayed there for a week or more if he hadn't woken up.

Haruhi doesn't want Kyon to think she likes him because she doesn't know how he feels about her. It's exactly like SitR where he wakes up as she is putting her cardigan on him. If you notice by Book 9 Haruhi has changed dramatically and even Kyon has noticed it. This is sort of laying the brickwork if you will for future development.

Again it's Haruhi, It's her nature. She loves Kyon, She abuses him for attention. Haruhi really is like any other regular Teenage Girl in that respect. She has no idea about relationships yet she tries so hard for Kyon's attention. It's really funny at times.

Spoiler:

I'd actually flip that. I'm more sold on Kyon romantically liking Haruhi than I am on Haruhi romantically liking Kyon... it's just that Kyon strikes me as somewhat indecisive between the three female SOS Brigade members. Remember, Kyon's the one who initiated the kiss (in the dream), and who remains aware of it having been real. Kyon's the one who has actually commented on the other person's physical attractiveness. I don't think that we even know what Haruhi thinks of Kyon's physical appearance, do we?

Spoiler:

Well, I'm pretty sold on both. Haruhi OBVIOUSLY likes Kyon. There is absolutely no disputing that since it's basically the entire focus of about 25% of the content. Hell when the characters in the novel and anime start pointing it out to you.....

Kyon is indecisive, he is unreliable but he rarely conveys his true feelings. Kyon does initiate the kiss during the dream (after his monologue about how to him Haruhi is "more than just a classmate") then comments on how much he likes her hair in a ponytail. (Note Haruhi does not resist, She looks shocked yet happy. In the novel he states he doesn't know how Haruhi reacts but the Anime shows it as her willingly kissing back so i don't know.).

Uh Kyon comments on Haruhi's appearance quite often. In Book 1 obviously he says she is extremely attractive, During endless eight when she is sleeping he says when she isn't talking she looks as attractive as Mikuru maybe even more attractive.

There are more i just can't remember right now.

[spoier]Of course you just don't do that. That is why I said is not a good way. But I really don't think it cancel the last three days. She was pretty concerned with him and becomes flushed when noticed he was ok and saw sleeping/being concerned. Then she try to hide it in a compleate unreasonable non-girlfriendish way. She was really trying to have Kyon don't geting the wrongright idea. This might kill the moment for Kyon, but is still shows how concerned she was. Also, notice she only aplies this penaltys to Kyon, never to other people, even when they are late (like Mikuru in Sighs, or everybody else in Dissociation).
[/spoiler]

Spoiler:

It depends on your outlook, To me it was extremely cute. Kyon recognises it for what it is, her attempt to hide her feelings. Of course it doesn't cancel the three days, We get a huge insight in to just how much Haruhi cares for Kyon.

Haruhi is basically like any teenage girl who doesn't know how to get the guy she wants, She abuses him, picks on him for attention. Haruhi's relationship with Kyon is sort of a mixture of abuse for attention and a deep emotional relationship which she only shares with Kyon.

Joke (It might be me who is weird right?). Anyway, Kyon was who initiated the kiss, but was Haruhi who wanted to be kissed. And she did tryed to please Kyon latter wearing the ponytail. And I really belive Haruhi is more interested by Kyons personality then by his appearance. It is impossible know if she finds him atractive, anyway, unless she explicitly say him so. She did however, asked Miuru to take a photo of him sleeping in the Lone Island.

Pretty much, It's impossible to fully know what Haruhi thinks of Kyon but her feelings are hinted at the entire way through the novels/anime. I guess we won't know until the end.

[spoiler]
He was desperate to find Haruhi, Yuki, Mikuru, and Koizumi. He was relieved to find each. Once he realized that this wasn't his world, he wanted to get his world back. Like I wrote, he wanted to get his friends back as he knows them. It wasn't all about Haruhi, though. It really wasn't. Saying so does a real disservice to how Kyon shows real caring for Yuki, Mikuru, and Koizumi as well.
[spoiler]

Spoiler:

He wanted to find all of them true, As i said above though Haruhi is the main driving force, She symbolises his universe and exactly what he wants in life. I think at least. That and he cares more deeply about Haurhi than anyone else.

Plus the fact that she'd be completely going back on what she said to Kyon all the way back in Melancholy.

I assume you mean the part where she says Romantic emotions are just a passing phase?

She also says even she gets in the mood for those kinds of things. The weird thing about that is after she says that she recreates the mother fucking universe out of Jealousy of Mikuru and Kyon.

She has romantic emotions, no hiding it.

[Triple_R]

Tornadium - That's a very good, well-reasoned reply.

In the interest of full disclosure, I'm going to say that at this time I'm a KyonYuki shipper. So... I'm not entirely unbiased here. Like many other KyonYuki shippers, though, I'll admit that my preference goes against the current for this anime franchise, particularly its fandom. I don't expect to "win" this any more than I expected my Ryoga/Akane preference in the Ranma 1/2 anime to emerge victorious.

All I'll say is that a lot of the Kyon/Haruhi relationship moments strike me as possibly being close platonic friendship moments. They tend to be viewed through a romantic lens, but... friendship alone can explain most of them, I think. Just my opinion.

Anyway... I'm going to let the shipping debate go for now, because this really isn't the thread for it, lol.

[freakonboard]

I agree that Haruhi obviously likes Kyon, but the tsundere element in her personality makes her act the way she is.

Man, Kyon is the first and only person whom Haruhi subconsciously choosed to stay with in the new world in Melancholy 6 after all.