2012-10-12, 19:40 | Link #742 | |
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Also, I expect to see the psycho pass being relevant in other areas, too. Match making, job compatibility, teaching, government grants... The possibilities are endless. The psycho pass is probably not primarily a crime-fighting tool. It's likely much more pervasive. |
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2012-10-12, 20:29 | Link #744 | |
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The gun specifically says "Target's Threat Judgement has been updated. Enforcement mode is Lethal Eliminator. Aim carefully and eliminate the target." That's crystal clear, no interpretation necessarily. And it's what the gun itself states. The gun is clearly telling the holder thereof to kill the target. The implicit message is equally clear - There's no point in taking this target in alive. Then, a couple minutes later, the gun specifically says "Target's Threat Judgment has been updated. Enforcement mode is Non-Lethal Paralyzer. Aim calmly and bring the target under control." Again, that's crystal clear, no interpretation necessary. The passage of time between the two threat judgement commands? Less than two minutes, and it obviously brings the initial threat judgment into serious dispute. Look, for this Psycho-Pass Gun to so quickly go from basically stating "Eliminate this target, as the target is beyond realistic hope of rehabilitation" to stating "Bring the target under control with paralysis, there is hope of rehabilitation" is very, very questionable.
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2012-10-12, 21:06 | Link #745 | |
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What I am seeing is, the system is there to help the people making decisions, but it's the people who still need to pull the trigger. Any systems can be abused, and it's the human factor that need to be emphasised for it to be under control. From what we'd seen in the first episode, the people got lazy. It's like a medical diagnosis, yes the lab test showed abnormal value but should the doctor just apply "treatment" right away without thinking about other factors surrounding the patient?
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2012-10-12, 21:12 | Link #746 | |
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Similarly, it's easy to say "Well the system told me she's out of control and is no longer needed in this world. It wasn't my call, I am just a "soldier"/officer carrying out duties. I merely pressed the trigger, what came out of it, was the system's decision. Whether that be paralysis or death, that is not up to me" And obviously the newly graduated cadet will try to bring in that innocence/naivety to these other characters by telling them that we can't separate personal emotion from these actions of ours, human lives are too important/heavy to just give to a system to decide.
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2012-10-12, 21:19 | Link #747 |
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Watched the first episode. No complaints for me but I wouldn't say I was wow'd but hey this is the first episode right?
As for the argument regarding the gun... I'll go with the gun being designed simply to assist the shooter to decide. I dunno about you guys I mean sure we know Gen is the writer for this series and thus it will prolly be dark but please let's not assume that it's stupid for the sake of being dark.
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2012-10-12, 21:20 | Link #748 | |
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In any case, I did get the impression that Akane was reprimanded for what she did.
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2012-10-12, 21:35 | Link #749 | ||
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No, the gun is saying "Aim carefully and eliminate the target". Any way you slice it, that's a command. This anime actually reminds me a bit of the old Robocop movies, and how Robocop is given Prime Directives that he is expected to follow, period. Quote:
Maybe the guns are giving commands for a reason. Maybe one of the critiques being made by this show is that cops are too often expected to do things by the book and not make reasonable exceptions. Just because the system is crazy doesn't mean that the narrative itself is stupid.
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2012-10-12, 21:41 | Link #750 |
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And what's to say that these "commands" aren't just recommendations? If they don't want human interference then they could have just added an autoshoot function on the gun. The gun obviously can determine where it's being pointed at.
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2012-10-12, 21:50 | Link #751 | ||
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And before you or anybody else raises the "Why not just use robots, then?" argument, there's actually some things that humans are just flatout better at than AIs (consider video games, where top human competition is almost always harder than AIs). Yes, this is clearly in the future, but maybe AI hasn't advanced as far in this world as it has in, say, Star Trek: The Next Generation.
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2012-10-12, 22:05 | Link #754 |
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Can simply be poor wording on their part. It's only the first episode and people are already talking like they know the system. What I'm simply getting at here is that we don't even know how the system works or it's accuracy so why are we even assuming that the system is just stupidly bad? You might be right, I might be right but right now when there aren't much info available I'd rather choose the side that makes sense, you catch me?
As for the autoshoot. Ok I will concede that. And no I'm not going to bring up robots it's already explained in this episode why they couldn't use robots.
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2012-10-12, 23:03 | Link #755 |
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Watched the first episode. It is quite good. For fans of Ghost in the Shell, this a good substitute for now.
The good thing is that the characters acknowledged that the system is flawed. I really wonder how did this system come to pass.
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2012-10-13, 00:10 | Link #756 | |
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Director Motohiro Katsuyuki Omits Moe From Psycho-Pass Anime
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2012-10-13, 00:24 | Link #758 |
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Seeing as how Hidashi no Gen (? - Barefoot Gen) traumatized a whole or a few generations of Japanese kids (who were forced to watch it as second graders or somewhere around there), I'm not surprised he joked about that.
Really kind of messed up though, not sure if I want to get into this anime then if it's so dark >.>, I kind of want a happy anime to cheer me up. Though, if executed well, this anime could leave a strong impression/good message. So I hope it's going for a good message over going for shock value. p.s. - Damn your marcus, i had almost forgot about how funny that episode was until I saw your avatar again. That scene made me laugh so hard.
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2012-10-13, 00:31 | Link #759 |
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Well, it's not really empty hate (i.e. "moe rocks" etc.), but saying that "I'm killing moe with this anime series" is more like grandstanding at the level of The Yamakan. I'm never impressed by people who say things like this to make their product sell, and I'm more inclined to wishing that he fails so bad. Learn to be subtle; telling a person that you would do x might give the inverse effect (see Rinne no Lagrange and tourism).
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