2011-10-31, 01:28 | Link #2681 |
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I have nothing at all against Mari. In fact, I really like her character and I can't wait to see some real interaction between her and Asuka soon in oder to understand how she managed to pilot Unit 02 so easily.
Of course, Asuka needs to step her character a little bit in this series. However if they manage to do that, I would say everyone to hold on to your hats. |
2011-10-31, 01:43 | Link #2682 |
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Having watched 2.22 several times, suffice to say that despite Mari has much as a pilot (and therefore almost a Mary-sue), nevertheless she gave Shinji the spotlight because he's the star of the show, the one boy who's in the center of everything.
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2011-10-31, 13:30 | Link #2685 |
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But I never said it was.
That's why I listed them separately. Besides in all seriousness, I just feel she has the character quality of one, hence the comparison. Or maybe worse, depending on what you're comparing it to. So arguing definitions won't work here.
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2011-11-02, 08:58 | Link #2688 | |
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Maybe she's not a character you like, maybe you think that she took time away from other, more-deserving characters...but she IS a character.
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2011-11-02, 11:12 | Link #2689 |
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Hah, I knew you'd bring that up.
Yes, I'm aware she does those things. But if you seriously believe that adds any substance to the story (aka "contribute"), especially the laughable speech to Shinji part (wait, random inspiration by some random stranger when nobody else would work, and was just lifted from Kaiji?), then we'll have to agree to disagree. Though while she does technically exist in the movie and there are technically points that involve her, and she might even count as some kind of entity that appears in the movie, she hardly makes any difference to me outside of a prop. It is not enough to exist and do something, otherwise every extra and bystander would be considered a character. Mari is more than this, so... a glorified extra she is.
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2011-11-02, 11:47 | Link #2690 | |
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...Slightly exaggerated that last part, but I really don't see any actual encouragement in there... To me it seemed like Shinji made the choice to return to the pilot's seat on his own upon seeing his friend/potential love interest getting swallowed by Zeruel.
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2011-11-02, 11:52 | Link #2691 | |
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Wow, you're, like PSYCHIC or something then, right...?
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Second...YOU defined what a "character" was, and Mari fits those attributes. As I said, she may not be a character you LIKE, but to say she's not a character, by your own definition, is false. Third...what are they planning for her in the next movie? If you can tell me honestly that she'll do nothing, then you're right. She's useless.
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Yes, I am.
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And yes, that's an extreme example. Though in terms of characater, she might qualify according to that analogy. Who knows? And no, it has nothing to do with me liking the character or not. I don't have enough emotion in me to feel anything towards her beyond the most basic of things. I think that's even worse than liking or hating, no? You can argue definitions all you like. It doesn't change the fact that removing her would have absolutely no effect on my view of the story. But trying to objectify something that is a subjective viewpoint is a waste of time. I'm not gonna dispute the fact that you could in fact, view Mari as an entity that contributes to the story. But said foundation doesn't qualify my expectations of recognizing Mari as such. Besides, why not just link to Wikipedia, the official website, or IMDB and claim objectivity there, anyways? Would have been much easier and would have not changed anything. Anyhow, by now, you might have caught up to the fact that my original statement was hyperbole. Congratulations! Quote:
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2011-11-02, 12:47 | Link #2693 | |
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Suuuure...
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Guess you're not THAT psychic, huh? Glad you've got an open mind, at least.
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I hope it'll be EXTREMELY awesome, of course. And I actually LIKED Eva 2.0.
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2011-11-05, 09:07 | Link #2697 |
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Well both Mari and Shikinami are rather shallow characters in the series. They do not seem like well persons but rather like moving, talking ploy devices.
You may say that it is usual and it actually is, but in original evengelion most of the character were actually pretty deep and unique, now Mari and the Shikinami just lack that depth inn general. Maybe because original Asuka's personality was sort of split between the two, or maybe because the screen time was split but whatever is the case neither of those characters look deep personality wise. I mean this Asuka's main defining features are that she is a typical tsundere redhead that you see in 10000 animes nowdays, has one-eye (well will have) and is a captain. That looks a totally skin deep when you compare to how she originally was. Mari is even worse in that regard... |
2011-11-05, 13:22 | Link #2698 | |
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OF COURSE the TV versions will get more development. They have way more hours in which to do so.
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2011-11-05, 14:58 | Link #2699 |
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Yes, and one of the main complaints is that 2.0 is an incredibly rushed film. Coincidence? Perhaps they should've split it into two different films (Also please just throw out that piece of trash Mari).
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2011-11-05, 15:02 | Link #2700 | |
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The first movie was actually well done. It was the second one that went into the shallow character territory hard. I believe that even with the time limit of the movie you can bring the depth of Asuka's character in. You would need to get rid of megane mascot mari though, but as her character deosnt seem to have much of purpose anyway but being a new figurine cash cow I don't think that not having her around would be a loss at all. |
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