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and btw there are about 5 arabic country's near israel and there are moslims and arabic's all over the world so why are they in israel, well first is to kill us(yes its that simple) 2nd no 1 will take them and do u get how idiotic it is that their ppl wont accept them but we their "enemy's" should, well this just doesnt make sense does it? |
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2009-01-05, 08:03 | Link #22 | |
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2009-01-05, 08:42 | Link #23 | |
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Further, it's not only actual attacks. Since 2002, Israel has been building a wall around the Gaza Strip and effectively blockading the place. Israel has cut electricity and blocked shipments of industrial desiel fuel in the Gaza strip. Israel called for democratic elections in Palestine and when a group they didn't like won, they pulled out of the peace talks. Palestinians aren't killing Israels for fun. They feel like they have no choice. I'll say this clearly and in bold. Neither side is right. It's time you both stopped blaming the other side for all the problems and accept your own responsibility in the conflict. Both sides need to stop demonizing the other side and realize that the guys on the other side aren't that much different from you. If it seems unfair that a lot of people are calling on Israel to take the first step, that's only because Israel is in a much much better position to do so. As for your whole "why are they in Israel" thing, it's because they live there and their families have lived there for hundreds, if not thousands of years. They, for the most part, didn't immigrate there after the modern state of Israel was founded.
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2009-01-05, 11:21 | Link #25 | |
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2009-01-05, 20:48 | Link #31 |
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No, I won't justify the civilian deaths. As my past posts indicate, I think a "wasteland" solution is what we need, if both sides don't see the need to negotiate. If no man can live there, maybe they'll stop bombing the crap out of each other.
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2009-01-05, 21:02 | Link #32 | |
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Pinpoint attacks with laser-guided bombs and drone-fired rockets don't work too well, esp. when you often need human intelligence on the ground to identify your targets, and how are you going to reach those targets in the first place if they are placed in mosques and etc.?
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As for your collateral damage mean total war nonsense, the Israelis don't seem to be going out of their way to kill civilians or not kill them. It's more that they don't care one way or the other and won't let the presense of civilians deter their operations. If it was a total war, the deathtoll would be much higher. More, I question your thought process that leads to the conclusion that a few rocket attacks that do minimal damage warrents a total war. Quote:
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2009-01-05, 21:41 | Link #35 | |
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Last time I checked, no matter how "evi" the criminals are, most police and law enforcement don't just say "oh for christ's sake, just bomb the whole building". Well, unless you're in Russia of course.
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2009-01-05, 21:53 | Link #36 | |
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Gets rid of those annoying Palestinians who just want to get recognized as a country, too. Bonus track!
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2009-01-05, 21:59 | Link #37 |
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@WK: You know what? That is actually not a bad idea. Turn the Gaza Strip into wasteland and give the whole of the West Bank for a Palestine state. 360 sq. km for 5600+ sq. km. Sounds like a good deal to me.
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2009-01-05, 22:09 | Link #39 | |
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Hamas (and groups like it) represents a special challenge. You can't simply destroy them by force, because they've become an integral part of the community that they arose from and likely have much local support. Even if they're temporarily removed, it's likely that the local anger would either rebuild the group or give rise to others like it. The solution would seemingly be to not respond to their attacks at all and instead try to outdo their good deeds so as to win the favor of the local population, but that presents other problems. For one, the Israeli population won't stand for it - they're being attacked, and they expect their government to do something about it (and that doesn't mean giving handouts to the aggressive population). Another, the lack of retaliation would likely embolden Hamas to scale up their attacks and try to do something even worse. In the short term, lack of retaliation on Israel's part would probably be quite bad. In the long term it's probably the only viable solution to peace. As I have ties to Israel I may be biased, but I feel that the Palestinian militants are the aggressors. I don't care to discuss who owned the land originally - it's a bit late for that. Israel's retaliations have not always been justified, and many of them have seemingly been sloppy, but what else can they do? Palestinians do successfully work and assimilate into Israeli society; it isn't that Israel is out to get the Palestinians, but they are attempting to protect their population. The wall that they're building is a defensive measure, not one designed to harm the Palestinians. If the Palestinian militants ceased their aggressions then the Israeli retaliations would end, as well. Whether Israel would cooperate in attempting to help the Palestinians or not at that point can only be theorized, and if the Palestinians still felt that they were being shafted and that their requests were reasonable then armed force would be the way to go. As things are now I don't think it's fair to claim that Israel is against Palestinians entirely when their population is actively coming under attack practically each day.
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