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Please understand that the "as of" date on Ronove's blog only indicates the date that the "translation progress" section on the blog was updated. This section is only manually updated every so often, and is not an indicator of how long it has been since translation work was done.
For example, although the "translation progress" section was updated 11 days ago, the latest update was pushed to the server three days ago. And since the translators don't always push to the server immediately after they've translated something, it's probable that translation work has been done since then. So, yeah… that particular section of the blog is far from accurate.
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2012-02-22, 11:17 | Link #227 |
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I beg to differ. Imho, SHAFT's visual trips are far too inadequate to represent and convey Ryukishi's stories. I think it would carry the viewer's attention away from the main point. I experienced the very same thing with Bakemonogatari, after all.
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2012-02-22, 12:07 | Link #228 | |
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But obviously you didn't like its style, so I guess it's up to opinion. =/ I just think it would be boring to make a bland anime adaptation where we already know what's going on, and everyone just simply says "the VN is better" (like Umineko and Higurashi). It's also more of a episodic story like Jigoku Shoujo and Bake too. Spoiler for 2nd night spoiler:
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2012-02-22, 12:10 | Link #229 |
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Past the debatable style Shaft usually use, I really can't see Higanbana done by Shaft: Shaft MO for Bakemonogatari is mainly focused on style shift midway and emphasis on wordplay and others things.
Higanbana mood and storytelling is much more conventional, the likes of Another, Shiki etc. Really, using Bakemonogatari doesn't work at all, because Higanbana does -not- put any emphasis on word play, gags or witty discussions whatsoever. In fact, the whole deal would be extremely distracting and would kill the mood: the series adaptation should not rely on text whatsoever, but simply with ambiant mood, BGM and characters anguish, the likes Shaft absolutely doesn't do, except to "some extent" with Madoka Magica. Conventional adaptations can fleshen the original source, depending how it is done, and recent series I have mentioned did the trick well without using any artificial tricks. Heck, even Higurashi had a remotely fine adaptation for Onikakushi, keeping the pressure and tension high, even though they bypassed Keiichi's anguish/unsure feelings regarding "if it is the same Rena he knew".
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My main point was really, that a unique adaptation would be more enjoyable than a straight off predictable adaptation like Umineko->anime, where all you could do is say "they skipped that bit", "they skipped this bit", etc. I wasn't saying that the DEEN style wouldn't "suit" Higanbana, but rather it would be boring and predictable considering we would already know how they would do things after what we've already seen from Higurashi and Umineko.. |
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And what would bring a Bake style anyway? In fact, Shaft has skipped a lot of material, especially in nisemonogatari with karen bee arc.
Really, the style does not change the fact that you ought to make cuts, although it all depends how you do them. Using Deen as example for conventional adaption is misplaced: they made the worst cut possible, and it isn't only Umineko: Higurashi and Fate Stay Night weren't adapted correctly either. So thinking normal adaptation would be boring doesn't make much sense, especially having a "style change" wouldn't stop you to know what's going to happen either way. In case of mystery/horror themes centred show, it is mostly beneficial for the mood that the show make emphasis on the ambient pressure and characters reactions. The "show, don't tell" motto is even more important in such case.
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2012-02-22, 12:49 | Link #232 | |
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But like you say, some of the other moods can't be conveyed I guess. For example in the "normal world", the bullies getting addicted to bullying etc. is only something a sober mind can comprehend. So maybe a mix of styles? I think I typed too much... not sure if I made any sense to you. Spoiler for higanbana spoilers -drug analogy-:
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2012-02-22, 12:54 | Link #233 |
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I understood, but that's the very point I disagree: personally, I would rather see a crazed expression on the bullies, with an obvious penchant of sadism, than having a colored red screen, with a white text stating "I like bullying" or something. When text is used to convey the emotions and dialogues in an anime series that isn't based on wordy dialogue/witty discussions, it is basically cutting corners in my books.
To each of their own I guess, but frankly, the whole emotion thing is something I would rather see animated than reduced to a minimalistic display. I mean: I would be extremely disappointed if Rika's "everyone should die!" comment was minimized into a black screen with that line in white, instead of having her totally upset and enraged. Likewise, the while deal with friendship and all would be watered down by several degree if it was just a meager couple of lines instead of the display of emotions straight onscreen. That kind of things should really be shown, not plainly told. VN format however, needs description for obvious reason. But anime? Subtle and straightforward methods are possible without using "tricks" like that.
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I was saying that since Higanbana requires huge amount of text to convey the emotions going through the characters and surreal state of mind (which anime does not have the time and ability to convey), the anime should just use Bake's directional style (NOT text, referring to animation/scenery/etc) as a medium to convey the surreal feeling. |
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The thing is that the text -is- part of the directional style: without it, the whole animation and scenery portions make even less sense/cohension in its storytelling sense (in fact, a lot of far pan camera would be even more difficult to cope without context set with the text, along with transitions being more brutal). That's the reason why I didn't follow you that well, since artistic style would include that portion anyway.
That said, assuming you get rid of the text and other allusions/references style, you are actually stuck with far pan camera all the time, along with papercraft like intrusions and whatnot, to which is sort of difficult to imagine with Higanbana (at worst, something "similar" to Madoka, yet not really the same environment). Having a different presentation with the environment might indeed give a different type of "creepiness" in some scenes, although paradoxally, it will dampen characters emotions, since you hardly see characters onscreen with Shaft (unless you have complete closeup with awkward animation and cartoon shift). This is most likely why Bakemonogatari style wasn't applied on Madoka, since the latter is way too different to allow such kind of jarring presentation.
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I guess I enjoy tripping out too much. I honestly would love Higanbana to be filled with the camera panning (YES! That was the word I was after) especially in the stair scenes, etc. |
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Edit: honestly, the best thing would be for Higanbana to have 2 different adaptations from both DEEN and SHAFT. I could enjoy it as two completely different shows for different purposes :P Last edited by Pocks; 2012-02-22 at 14:28. |
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Hey I'm a little new to ordering things like these off of these types of sites. For every site I have gone to so far Higanbana has been sold out. I'm unsure of how often these things restock..... or if they even do since I'm trying to order it now and there are still sold outs everywhere. Is there anybody that can fill me in on what I should do?
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2012-03-31, 17:05 | Link #240 | |
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