2007-02-26, 23:29 | Link #304 | |
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FYI, there seems to be more for international customers to do when ordering for the first time. Read their FAQ on Shipping & Handling for international customers. |
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2007-02-26, 23:51 | Link #306 |
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Well, I'm disappointed with what they are doing with the episode ordering. Whoever was responsible for the decision (I understand it wasn't the company offering the domestic release, but that doesn't matter), is really shooting the franchise in the foot. I'm one of the people who think that the broadcast order was inspired. People who are introduced to the show by the "regular" release are going to lose some of the intensity that the "broadcast" ordering conveyed. Once you have seen it, it doesn't matter, so I won't be paying an extra hundred bucks for "correct" sequencing of episodes, but most newcomers won't either, and they won't ever get that part of the experience.
I really think they are trying to squeeze extra money out of the established fan base at the expense of losing new potential fans for the show. |
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2007-02-27, 00:15 | Link #309 | |
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2007-02-27, 00:26 | Link #310 | |
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I'm willing to bet the guy wrote it chronologically but then sent the chapters into the magazine out of order to tease the fans about what might have brought them to that point (Sort of like the Dukes of Hazzard). Then he compiled them into properly ordered segments in his Tankubon. Then when it came time to do the TV series he did the same thing only for a different medium. I honestly am curious as to the order the chapters were published in The Sneaker. Were they like Volume 1 chapter 3, Volume 2 Chapter 3, Volume 1 Chapter 1... etc. I know that there are 3 Tankubon that are full series practically and then you have other that are short stories interspersed all over the place inbetween these 3 Main arcs. Kind of like This Hey it's actually on there. Hmm if you look at it all the chapters are within 4 releases of the proper chronlogical order (What I mean there I can't explain that easily) This guy is really spastic though, its clear he just chose a random order each time the series got a new medium. This is almost as ridiculous as my Gundam Seed Astray and Astray R graphic novels. |
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2007-02-27, 01:10 | Link #311 | ||
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I understand that there were reasons that the company releasing the discs stateside couldn't do it, but the cause was a human being's stupid decision. The fact that that decision wasn't made by someone in the corporation releasing the discs in America doesn't change the fact as I see it. It is my belief that the series makes a better impression in the "broadcast" order. You can disagree with that if you like, but assuming that is true, the person who decided that the series must be presented in an inferior format is making the Suzumiya franchise suffer, for the reasons I stated above. You can argue that the series is better with the "regular" episode sequencing, but that is completely different matter. Again, I understand that Bandai or whoever tried their best and were denied by "contractual obligations". Kudos to Bandai! But I still say the person who made the decision that caused this whole nonsense was not acting in the best interests of the franchise. If it was the original author, that means shooting himself in the foot in order to satisfy his own ego. |
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2007-02-27, 01:16 | Link #312 | |
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I personally like the anachronological order better, as the series has a stronger buildup and conclusion as a result. However, this wouldn't apply to the novel series, as it's released in chunks and is still ongoing, so we can't exactly pick out a good climax point or anything. That said, getting the DVDs in chronological order isn't the end of the world either, though. It's much more new-viewer friendly at least, and some people do like Someday in the Rain as a conclusion. At least we're still starting with The Adventures of Asahina Mikuru Episode 00. |
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2007-02-27, 02:31 | Link #316 | |
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I didn't say that I was going to be inconvenienced by not having access to the "broadcast" order. In fact, if you look at my original post, you'll see that I said this wasn't a problem for me at all. If you don't want to respond to the issue I raised (that people new to the franchise would not see the series in the most powerful way possible, which is a shame, because those people might not become fans, and that weakens the franchise), you don't have to respond. Instead you make up a false issue about me being upset that I can't watch the show in the order I choose. And why do you have to take that dismissive tone? BTW, you are flat wrong about it being broadcast in a random order. It was the best possible order to acheive dramatic tension. |
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2007-02-27, 02:48 | Link #317 |
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Honestly, though, you can't say unequivocally that chronological order will hurt newer viewers that much. A lot of new viewers can and will be confused by a random episode order. Yes, I know it's not that difficult to figure out what's going on (man I loved that feeling when I first saw ep. 4), but a DVD release is different from seeing it on TV. Yes, Broadcast Order works VERY well for the series when it's released episode by episode, week by week. But for a DVD release, I'd say its impact is diminished.
Why did we enjoy broadcast order? Here are a few reasons: 1. The whole week-by-week release allowed us adequate time to digest confusing revelations without too much time passing and causing it to become stale or forgotten. 2. The impact of the climactic rise in the latter episodes is aided by the spaced out releases between the episodes. It prevents a "rushed" feeling. 3. Forum goers such as you and I are given the time to discuss each bizarre occurance as they come, instead of in large blocks of several episodes. Now, in a DVD release, things are a bit different. We're getting episodes in chunks of 3 or 4 at a time, spaced out by weeks or even months. This really hurts the power of the anachronological order, IMHO. This series requires you to pay attention if you're watching broadcast order, and to have month-long gaps between new episodes really hampers your attention capabilities, especially for newer viewers. Regarding series climax: at least with the last DVD, we're ending with Live A Live and Day of Sagitarrius, two very strong episodes. Someday in the Rain is more hit-and-miss, but hopefully by that time, we'll have news of Haruhi Season 2 (or possibly, it might already be out), so there's no reason for us to look at Someday in the Rain as the conclusive ending to the series. I have faith that it'll all work out. My whole argument deals with new viewers, BTW. Kaioshin-sama has adequately explained why avid Haruhi fans shouldn't be hurt too much with chronological DVDs, since we certainly have the brainpower to rearrange a few DVD episodes for our own viewing pleasure. |
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EDIT THE SECOND: If one gets the regular DVD edition and wishes to watch the TV broadcast order, the sequence might go something like this: DVD1, episode 1, 2, 3 - DVD2, episode 4 - DVD1, episode 4 - DVD3, episode 2, 1, 3 - DVD4, episode 3 - DVD2, episode 1 - DVD4, episode 1, 2 - DVD2, episode 2, 3. Seven disc changes overall, as opposed to three when watching in chronological order. (This is not a complaint, since I'll be getting the Special Edition anyway. This is an observation borne from boredom.) Last edited by dkellis; 2007-02-27 at 03:29. |
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Frankly, I don't see what all the hullabaloo is about the ordering of the series. Truth is, Tanagawa released the episodes out of order, published the novels out of order (except for the long stories, as has been noted), and apparently had a say in seeing the anime episodes released out of order, then he apparently asked that they be released chronologically (except for Asahina Mikuru no Bouken: Episode 00) on the DVDs. If that isn't a vote of support for both orders, I don't know what is. Yes, the series flows more dramatically in broadcast order. Yes, the series makes more sense in chronological order. Both are correct.
Why aren't they releasing the English dubs in broadcast order? Because they didn't in Japan. Simple as that. There're a number of specific reasons, most of which have been covered on this forum, but it all boils down to giving us what Japan got. Most English-speaking anime fans won't notice any fault in the plotline of the chronological order, and aren't going to get confused if they accidentally watch it in broadcast order. Those that would...well, let's be honest and say that they aren't likely to enjoy the show anyway. The truth of the matter is, that the deceptive subtlety and Matrix-like theft, reuse, and abuse of previous anime stereotypes and situations that make this show so great to seasoned anime fans, are the same reasons this show isn't going to make many new anime fans. Cowboy Bebop made a lot of new anime fans. FMA will continue to make a lot of new anime fans. Black Lagoon, if it gets on Adult Swim, will make a crapload of new anime fans. Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya is an anime for people who are already anime fans, and the episode order isn't going to make much of a difference to that. You won't be seeing Haruhi on Adult Swim, and if you do, then that's Bandai's mistake, because it will fail. The audience there just won't see what we see. It's like taking some kid whose only experience with Heroic Bloodshed or Quentin Tarantino is watching Pulp Fiction on TBS, setting them down in front of Kill Bill I and II, and expecting them to enjoy the subtlety, not-so-subtlety, and homage infused throughout those movies. They'll like the decapitations, and the choreography, and Quentin Tarantino's funny dub of the ancient master, but they won't get as much out of it as someone who's a long-term fan of the genre. Your average budding anime fan, with 20-30 episodes of Naruto or Bleach (both of which I like, by the way) under their belt will like the Nagato fight, and Shamisen's dub, and AMnB:E00, and maybe even Live a Live or Day of Sagittarius, but they won't get a lot of the rest of the series, and might even get turned off of it because of that. If anyone's going to get turned off by episode order in any way, it'll probably be because the first episode is completely different than the rest of the series, and that's the same either way. The true audience for this series is those who have already seen it, and Bandai knows this. That's why they got Kadokawa to spring for additional DVDs with broadcast order, is because 80% of us said we wanted it (hell, I voted for it, must have been 3-4 times). The best chances for a new audience for this show are the fansub avoiders, who probably will go for the SE versions out of principle, and today's new anime fans, a year or so from now, once they've had time to mature and get as obsessed as we are, just in time to get the DVDs so they can better enjoy Season 2. |
2007-02-27, 04:52 | Link #320 | |
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That's what I'm talking about. I feel sorry for the people coming to it new, who Netflix the 1st DVD, and don't get that feeling.
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Maybe so. I hope it does get the attention of some new folks, though, because it is so great. |
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