2012-04-27, 14:04 | Link #64 | |
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That doesn't concern me. I don't look at anything illegal. Btw, is all anime pr0n legal (in the U.S.)? I mean, I don't look at smut much, just sometimes, but I feel a bit paranoid about this CISPA bill now. They won't care what private things you look at (smut) so long as it is legal and so long as you are not a 'target', right? If you became a so called target, then they would use such private things against you for background checks?
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2012-04-27, 15:33 | Link #66 |
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Er, no. That's not illegal. A drawing of a child or childlike representation in a sexual situation is not illegal, because no actual child was harmed drawing a picture. For a while Dubya tried to make lolicon illegal in America, but it was overturned by the Supreme Court for being unconstitutional.
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2012-04-27, 15:56 | Link #67 |
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Emphasis on *real* child.... I can't say that loud enough. Trying to assert laws to "protect fictional children" is bad law, bad psychology, and actually harmful to *real* children. Its also a vertical drop sort of "slippery slope" to thought policing and a major diversion of resources from *real* crime prevention.
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2012-04-27, 17:04 | Link #68 |
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Yeah, I would say that is pretty stupid if loli and shota smut was illegal, as not only are no real people involved, but the representation of people in anime art isn't even a realistic style and representation. Most people who look at that stuff are harmless, too. It is similar to how the majority of furries aren't actually sexually attracted to animals.
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2012-04-27, 23:34 | Link #69 | |
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importing iffy otaku hardcopy stuff on the other hand gets Immigrations and Customs Enforcement's attention and you get hammered with obscenity charges (see Handley case) as for anime pr0n scene in the US (DVD Region 1 / BD Region A)... my impression is that H-titles with lolis are deemed ok/passable (for licensing) as long as there's a disclaimer somewhere that lolis being depicted in it are 18 or plus (even though it's not) |
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2012-04-28, 05:12 | Link #70 |
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The reason for this might very well be, that for now finding out the contents of any up/download needs some investigation, while on border entry, you get searched anyway. So if they happen to find it there, you are in trouble. Which means, the laws exist. It's just a question of enforcing them.
However the overall goal of all these information acts is, to routinely screen and record everything you do online. Once this is implemented and a bit of database mining spits out the names of anyone that has ever transfered or recieved a given file, you will get in trouble for it. Or, let's say, there is then the possibility to get prosecuted for all kinds of petty 'crimes'. Wether that actually happens is at the sole disposal of your overlords, so better not make them angry. They got something on everyone. |
2012-04-28, 05:17 | Link #71 |
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Animated stuff with loli's is illegal in New South Wales, Australia (some guy was convicted for having Simpsons pr0n) - maybe some other states now, or at least stuff that could e construed as a 'child'. Side note: small breasted porn stars are illegal in South Australia, because they could be seen as child porn... yeah.
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2012-04-28, 13:15 | Link #72 |
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Maybe not by itself, but it can add on to other charges, ones that would cause your computer to be searched (example, real child porn, and then they find drawn versions too). But it has to be obviously child-based. I don't think "high school" or possibly even "middle school" would count in this case, as one could theoretically make a deniability claim.
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2012-04-28, 13:20 | Link #73 | |
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2012-04-28, 13:31 | Link #74 | |
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It is good to pay attention to what the politicians and courts are doing...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_O...Protection_Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_p..._United_States Quote:
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2012-04-29, 06:58 | Link #75 | |
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Good luck trying to find pornographic images that are not considered to be obscene.
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2012-04-29, 19:09 | Link #76 |
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"Obscenity" is purely in the mind of the *beholder*, no matter how hard the witchburners would like to make it an explicit external attribute. All they can hope for is a social consensus (and those are always in flux).
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2012-04-29, 20:14 | Link #77 | |
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2012-04-29, 21:00 | Link #78 | |
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They distinguish different categories between 1) Actual real child porn (definitely illegal to produce or own) 2) realistic digital art not of an actual minor 3) non-realistic images Some countries have made "ink and paper" a crime (thought crime and censorship). As http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_Act_of_2003 notes, current law in the US is contradictory and rulings have been contradictory. Specifically, item 2 (Whorley case) and item 3 (Handley case) have been ruled on and not appealed; whereas the Supreme Court has ruled that item 2 and 3 are protected free speech since no minor was actually involved. Basically, its a murky mess and the answer is YES *and* NO. IF someone decides to make an example of you, they could smear you pretty good by cherry-picking images. Basically, the less informed about art styles the viewer (authority) is, the more likely they are to have an erroneous reaction to it.
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2012-04-30, 03:14 | Link #79 |
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The reality of the situation is nobody gets tossed in prison just for having loli h-manga or whatever. Usually those kinds of charges are used by authorities trying to get the person for something else entirely but they use the "questionable" charge to keep them within arm's length while they get more evidence on the real case.
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Anonymous calls for ‘Internet Blackout Day’ to protest CISPA [video]:
"Hacker collective Anonymous this week called for a massive online protest against CISPA to occur on April 22nd through an “Internet Blackout Day” by asking “web developers and website owners to go dark” and to also “display a message as to why you are going dark, and encourage others to do the same.” The group’s call for an online blackout day echoes a similar protest that occurred last year against the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) in which Reddit and Wikipedia both went dark to protest the bill while Google blacked out its famous Google doodle to symbolize its opposition." See: http://news.yahoo.com/anonymous-call...223019539.html |
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