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Irisu · 2012-07-25, 20:02

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Originally Posted by kanon78

It has nothing to do with dealing with it, because it's nothing new and will continue to happen unfortunately.
The point I wanted to make is that it all depends on the ingenuity of the anime staff knowing the source material is already "gold" and thus it doesn't need any butchering, rushing/pacing issues and anime original filler/ending, because it will not do the original content justice.

Well, that's my point. Just because the source material is already gold, it doesn't mean that they have the resources to adapt it without butchering, rushing, and fillers. They couldn't help to butcher the source material given the limitations in anime adaptation. Anime and light novel is simply different.
Thus when you compare the two of them, light novel (usually) wins by default because they have more materials included.

If you ask me, I'm content enough just by seeing Sachi got animated.

Xellos-_^ · 2012-07-25, 20:09

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Originally Posted by Komeirin

Well, that's my point. Just because the source material is already gold, it doesn't mean that they have the resources to adapt it without butchering, rushing, and fillers. They couldn't help to butcher the source material given the limitations given in anime adaptation. Anime and light novel is simply different.
Thus when you compare the two of them, light novel (usually) wins by default because they have more materials included.

If you ask me, I'm content enough just by seeing Sachi got animated.

while Anime and LN are different media and some changes are inevitable. A adaption can be done without butchering the story. Of course that is up to the production committee allocating enough money get it done right.

sky black swordman · 2012-07-26, 06:31

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Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

while Anime and LN are different media and some changes are inevitable. A adaption can be done without butchering the story. Of course that is up to the production committee allocating enough money get it done right.

Yes agreed.

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If you ask me, I'm content enough just by seeing Sachi got animated.

As am I . I would have loved to hear her sing though.

I am looking forward to Ep 4 to see how its done.

trinitem · 2012-07-28, 15:56

Episode 4: The Black Swordsman

Mmm, I liked this episode. It lent itself well to a 1 episode adaptation. So let's get started.

Our animated episode 4 starts with a quarrel between the Dragon User/Tamer/Master Silica. The novel started with Pina's death (NOOOO!!!) without much context. Following a tragedy opener, the novel gave some exposition to Silica.

Our cute 12-year-old (novel-limited tidbit) Dragon tamer/master/user got lucky with a not-often-used taming system initiated by trying to feed a monster. The success rate is low, and somehow Silica got lucky enough to end up with a pet dragon. She named it Pina because that was the name of her cat in RL.

Pinas abilities consist of small skills like healing and scanning. We saw that in the anime too with Pina breathing on Silica for a small heal.

That little quarrel over healing items happened about the same in both versions. Silica goes storming off saying she won't party with them. How she got into her sticky situation was quite abridged.

That area the group was partying in was known as <<The Forest of Wandering>>. You can't use teleport crystals to get out since they only send you to another part of the forest as a zone effect. Troubles don't end there though.

Linked maps will change if you don't clear each area in a minute. If you don't have a map of the forest, then getting out gets that much harder. Silica's no pro. Luck wasn't on her side that day either. So eventually she gets cornered by the apes.

Proceed to Silica's fight with the apes. Those gourds they were holding are healing potions of sorts. And they were using switch tactics on her. Silica was actually in orange zone when Pina took the hit for her. She didn't just wait for death after that though.

Silica actually went berserk on the apes lol. One ape dies to her fury, and the other two are about to kill her, but then.... APPEAR KIRITO!

The novel translation says 4 days, and the anime says 3 days.... I wonder.... Well anyhow, that's the time limit for familiar revival.

Walking to the pub wasn't much different. Get sneered at by the old party, get heckled by fans, etc... At the pub Kirito gives her some Ruby Ichor alcohol that ironically gives +1 dex. The two head up for the night after that.

Silica does some prep before bed. That new equipment Kirito gave her gets a test run. Where the afterpart differs is that Silica herself went and approached Kirito in a desire to talk some more. The underwear incident had no chance to happen in the novels.

Kirito lets her in. By this point, she had already started calling him Kirito-oniichan, a honorific she had left at -san in the anime. Kirito explains the plan to her, and the eavesdropping ensues. After all the excitement for the night, she falls asleep on his bed.
Gentleman Kirito sleeps with his back to the bed that night.

Morning comes, and the two head up to Floria to go find the revival flower. There's an interesting bit in the novel about the <<Digital Focusing System>>. The DFS basically talks about how things turn up the graphic detail when you focus in on them. It all plays back to how amazing the game really is. That's not what they came to the floor for though.

Along the way to the revival flower, most of the content is the same. Kirito talks about his cousin. Silica comforts him. A warm welcome greets the pair in the form of a vine monster encounter. That's followed by more battles including an anemone monster encounter.

They get the flower and are ambushed on the way back just as the animation had it. Add on that the leader of the guild thought he was cosplaying as Kirito. Sort of implied in saying that a clearer would never be down here, but meh. He backs his talk in both versions.

Kirito puts on an extra threat of paralysis poisoning the orange guild and tossing them in if they don't walk through the portal that he opens to the Black Iron Castle occupied by the army. Both versions have them complying of their own action.

Pina's revival ends the chapter.

I'm so excited for Murder Case!!

kyp275 · 2012-07-28, 17:21

Hmm...

One thing I noticed in ep.4.... shouldn't Kirito already have his Elucidator already?

trinitem · 2012-07-28, 17:28

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Originally Posted by kyp275

Hmm...

One thing I noticed in ep.4.... shouldn't Kirito already have his Elucidator already?

Warmth of the Heart is the first time we see Elucidator though. And that story is after The Black Swordsman. He might have gotten it between then and visiting Lizbeth.

kyp275 · 2012-07-28, 17:50

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Originally Posted by trinitem

Warmth of the Heart is the first time we see Elucidator though. And that story is after The Black Swordsman. He might have gotten it between then and visiting Lizbeth.

Kirito got the Elucidator from the floor 50 boss though... the front line during Black Swordsman is at floor 55, so he's already got it.

Could be an oversight I guess, or maybe Kirito were just using some other swords for....whatever reason.

Awrya · 2012-07-28, 17:53

Animation staff failed? Kirito got Elucidator from the 50th boss (info from Vol. 10), in The Black Swordsman the frontline is at 55th floor

Kirito's the one entering Silica's room? Did he awaken to his destiny as a girl magnet?

The only thing that I'd count as a mistake is the moment Rosalia readied her weapon. She didn't have to sit down like the novel, rather I imagined her stabbing her weapon into the ground and smile condescending, until Kirito charges in.

Edit: Possible reason why Elucidator wasn't shown was probably because it was never stated (except in Vol. 10 now) that he got it from the 50th boss, the animation staff simply didn't know.

trinitem · 2012-07-28, 18:02

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Originally Posted by Awrya

Animation staff failed? Kirito got Elucidator from the 50th boss (info from Vol. 10), in The Black Swordsman the frontline is at 55th floor

Edit: Possible reason why Elucidator wasn't shown was probably because it was never stated (except in Vol. 10 now) that he got it from the 50th boss, the animation staff simply didn't know.

Well, that would explain why Kyp's post confused me. I haven't been able to read volume 10 yet.

Other possible explanations:
-He hadn't refined Elucidator yet.
-Felt like handicapping himself.

Wild Goose · 2012-07-28, 23:20

Or he felt it would be overkill on a group of players who can't touch him.

novalysis · 2012-07-29, 00:21

I would like to add something about Episode 4, and the rest of the SAO LNs.

I find the "you look like my sister" makes alot more sense to us LN Readers, especially after reading Fairy Dance, First Day, and the Original Red Nose Reindeer. Kirito really has a big Imouto complex, and this probably is going to be the state of affairs until the Warmth of the Heart, anime wise.

kyp275 · 2012-07-29, 00:27

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Originally Posted by novalysis

I would like to add something about Episode 4, and the rest of the SAO LNs.

I find the "you look like my sister" makes alot more sense to us LN Readers, especially after reading Fairy Dance, First Day, and the Original Red Nose Reindeer. Kirito really has a big Imouto complex, and this probably is going to be the state of affairs until the Warmth of the Heart, anime wise.

TBH, I don't really see it as an imouto complex... Kirito closed himself off to everyone, not just Suguha, after finding out that he was adopted. He just regretted how he treated her most of all after that, as she was just a kid too and had no idea what was going on.

novalysis · 2012-07-29, 00:36

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Originally Posted by kyp275

TBH, I don't really see it as an imouto complex... Kirito closed himself off to everyone, not just Suguha, after finding out that he was adopted. He just regretted how he treated her most of all after that, as she was just a kid too and had no idea what was going on.

Maybe "Imouto issues" may be more apt. IMO, it was first Sachi and Silica that helped him start opening up, Asuna completed the process, but she did not initiate it, and without Kirito's prior contact with these two, I think it would have been much harder for Asuna.

Clarste · 2012-07-29, 00:58

I don't think he has an "imouto" anything. He's just an antisocial guy who feels a bit guilty for it, so he goes out of his way to help others when he can. He certainly cares about his sister, and she represents his guilt about not being emotionally strong enough to protect others, but honestly she's not really that important to him compared to the others he knows.

And, well, almost every girl he meets is actually older than him, so...

Edit: Not sure if Sachi is older than him or not, but it's mentioned several times that he seems older than he is so girls who are older than him don't treat him as such.

Wild Goose · 2012-07-29, 01:17

Actually, IIRC only Asuna is older: Lizbeth is the same age - i think, Silica is younger, Shino is same age as Suguha.

Edgardes · 2012-07-29, 01:20

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Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Actually, IIRC only Asuna is older: Lizbeth is the same age - i think, Silica is younger, Shino is same age as Suguha.

Sinonon has the same age as Kirito.

Utsuro no Hako · 2012-07-29, 01:32

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Originally Posted by novalysis

I would like to add something about Episode 4, and the rest of the SAO LNs.

I find the "you look like my sister" makes alot more sense to us LN Readers, especially after reading Fairy Dance, First Day, and the Original Red Nose Reindeer. Kirito really has a big Imouto complex, and this probably is going to be the state of affairs until the Warmth of the Heart, anime wise.

At least they established that she's really his cousin from the start -- because we all know, in Japan incest is okay when she's your cousin.

sky black swordman · 2012-07-29, 04:20

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Originally Posted by Utsuro no Hako

At least they established that she's really his cousin from the start -- because we all know, in Japan incest is okay when she's your cousin.

Anime fans call it wincest.

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I don't think he has an "imouto" anything. He's just an antisocial guy who feels a bit guilty for it,

I agree with this. Didn't he became antisocial after he found out that he adopted?

IMO on First Day it look like he regretted distancing himself from sister and family.
You don't know how much you miss someone until they are gone.
Then again I can be wrong.

Awrya · 2012-07-29, 05:04

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Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Actually, IIRC only Asuna is older: Lizbeth is the same age - i think, Silica is younger, Shino is same age as Suguha.

Asuna&Lizbeth are both older than Kirito by one year, Silica&Suguha are both younger by one, Sinon is the same age as him.

Clarste · 2012-07-29, 05:09

So we have no idea how old Sachi was then?

2012-07-28, 17:53	Link #48
Awrya U mad? Join Date: Apr 2012	Animation staff failed? Kirito got Elucidator from the 50th boss (info from Vol. 10), in The Black Swordsman the frontline is at 55th floor Kirito's the one entering Silica's room? Did he awaken to his destiny as a girl magnet? The only thing that I'd count as a mistake is the moment Rosalia readied her weapon. She didn't have to sit down like the novel, rather I imagined her stabbing her weapon into the ground and smile condescending, until Kirito charges in. Edit: Possible reason why Elucidator wasn't shown was probably because it was never stated (except in Vol. 10 now) that he got it from the 50th boss, the animation staff simply didn't know. __________________

2012-07-28, 23:20	Link #50
Wild Goose Truth Martyr Author Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Doing Anzu's paperwork. Age: 38	Or he felt it would be overkill on a group of players who can't touch him. __________________ One must forgive one's enemies, but not before they are hanged.Heinrich Heine. *I believe in miracles.* Order of Freelance Mages (Goose's Nanoha OC Project)

2012-07-29, 01:17	Link #55
Wild Goose Truth Martyr Author Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Doing Anzu's paperwork. Age: 38	Actually, IIRC only Asuna is older: Lizbeth is the same age - i think, Silica is younger, Shino is same age as Suguha. __________________ One must forgive one's enemies, but not before they are hanged.Heinrich Heine. *I believe in miracles.* Order of Freelance Mages (Goose's Nanoha OC Project)

2012-07-28, 15:56	Link #44
trinitem Dedicated Lurker Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: You Guess Age: 30	Episode 4: The Black Swordsman Mmm, I liked this episode. It lent itself well to a 1 episode adaptation. So let's get started. Our animated episode 4 starts with a quarrel between the Dragon User/Tamer/Master Silica. The novel started with Pina's death (NOOOO!!!) without much context. Following a tragedy opener, the novel gave some exposition to Silica. Our cute 12-year-old (novel-limited tidbit) Dragon tamer/master/user got lucky with a not-often-used taming system initiated by trying to feed a monster. The success rate is low, and somehow Silica got lucky enough to end up with a pet dragon. She named it Pina because that was the name of her cat in RL. Pinas abilities consist of small skills like healing and scanning. We saw that in the anime too with Pina breathing on Silica for a small heal. That little quarrel over healing items happened about the same in both versions. Silica goes storming off saying she won't party with them. How she got into her sticky situation was quite abridged. That area the group was partying in was known as <<The Forest of Wandering>>. You can't use teleport crystals to get out since they only send you to another part of the forest as a zone effect. Troubles don't end there though. Linked maps will change if you don't clear each area in a minute. If you don't have a map of the forest, then getting out gets that much harder. Silica's no pro. Luck wasn't on her side that day either. So eventually she gets cornered by the apes. Proceed to Silica's fight with the apes. Those gourds they were holding are healing potions of sorts. And they were using switch tactics on her. Silica was actually in orange zone when Pina took the hit for her. She didn't just wait for death after that though. Silica actually went berserk on the apes lol. One ape dies to her fury, and the other two are about to kill her, but then.... APPEAR KIRITO! The novel translation says 4 days, and the anime says 3 days.... I wonder.... Well anyhow, that's the time limit for familiar revival. Walking to the pub wasn't much different. Get sneered at by the old party, get heckled by fans, etc... At the pub Kirito gives her some Ruby Ichor alcohol that ironically gives +1 dex. The two head up for the night after that. Silica does some prep before bed. That new equipment Kirito gave her gets a test run. Where the afterpart differs is that Silica herself went and approached Kirito in a desire to talk some more. The underwear incident had no chance to happen in the novels. Kirito lets her in. By this point, she had already started calling him Kirito-oniichan, a honorific she had left at -san in the anime. Kirito explains the plan to her, and the eavesdropping ensues. After all the excitement for the night, she falls asleep on his bed. Gentleman Kirito sleeps with his back to the bed that night. Morning comes, and the two head up to Floria to go find the revival flower. There's an interesting bit in the novel about the <<Digital Focusing System>>. The DFS basically talks about how things turn up the graphic detail when you focus in on them. It all plays back to how amazing the game really is. That's not what they came to the floor for though. Along the way to the revival flower, most of the content is the same. Kirito talks about his cousin. Silica comforts him. A warm welcome greets the pair in the form of a vine monster encounter. That's followed by more battles including an anemone monster encounter. They get the flower and are ambushed on the way back just as the animation had it. Add on that the leader of the guild thought he was cosplaying as Kirito. Sort of implied in saying that a clearer would never be down here, but meh. He backs his talk in both versions. Kirito puts on an extra threat of paralysis poisoning the orange guild and tossing them in if they don't walk through the portal that he opens to the Black Iron Castle occupied by the army. Both versions have them complying of their own action. Pina's revival ends the chapter. I'm so excited for Murder Case!!

2012-07-28, 17:21	Link #45
kyp275 Meh Join Date: Feb 2008	Hmm... One thing I noticed in ep.4.... shouldn't Kirito already have his Elucidator already?

2012-07-29, 00:21	Link #51
novalysis Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011	I would like to add something about Episode 4, and the rest of the SAO LNs. I find the "you look like my sister" makes alot more sense to us LN Readers, especially after reading Fairy Dance, First Day, and the Original Red Nose Reindeer. Kirito really has a big Imouto complex, and this probably is going to be the state of affairs until the Warmth of the Heart, anime wise.

2012-07-29, 00:58	Link #54
Clarste Human Join Date: Aug 2004 Age: 37	I don't think he has an "imouto" anything. He's just an antisocial guy who feels a bit guilty for it, so he goes out of his way to help others when he can. He certainly cares about his sister, and she represents his guilt about not being emotionally strong enough to protect others, but honestly she's not really that important to him compared to the others he knows. And, well, almost every girl he meets is actually older than him, so... Edit: Not sure if Sachi is older than him or not, but it's mentioned several times that he seems older than he is so girls who are older than him don't treat him as such.

2012-07-29, 05:09	Link #60
Clarste Human Join Date: Aug 2004 Age: 37	So we have no idea how old Sachi was then?