Character Discussion - Kallen

[Silver Soul]

If she doesn't get recuse the next episode perhaps her screentime can be her discovering if Lelouch is true royalty (although it would be stupid for her not to know after episode 7) or thus discovering something shocking to the point that she can't believe or trust in Zero ever again (Euphie?) or maybe something with Suzaku would change her opinion of him (episode 20) well t depends what happens the next episode.

[Dann of Thursday]

I'm pretty sure she already knows. If anything, she would just learn the exact details about everything. I doubt there is anything to make her not trust him at this point. She'd be more likely to discover something Britannia is planning to help Lelouch. Changing sides is very unlikely as well.

[Silver Soul]

Oh god no that's out of the picture, I mean these recent episodes made it clear that if Zero/Lelouch wants her to grovel at his feet with a chain around her neck like the slave she is all for the sake of Japan she'll pretty do it without hesitation.

[Dann of Thursday]

I think you are being a little harsh. She would pretty much do anything I think to a point. If Lelouch became all evil and such, I think she would turn on him.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

Enough with the icons. I know you're happy.

Hard to say for sure until the very end . but i'm happy about how her character has been portrayed/used thus far; She's no longer the "fangirl of Zero" that she was in season one, she has been given more or a fole this season as well as a chance at turning out to be Lelouch's LI (though this might of course just be a carrot that the directors are cruelly dangling in front of us only to snatch away later or at least second even). For this I'm quote happy - but we'll see if I'll be kept happy

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

I don't consider her that normal since no one in this show that is important is normal. She's an ace which makes her special, be it through hard work or not.

I suppose, though you didn't answer my question here; what is it that you like about Kallen?

Originally Posted by Silver Soul

If she doesn't get recuse the next episode perhaps her screentime can be her discovering if Lelouch is true royalty (although it would be stupid for her not to know after episode 7) or thus discovering something shocking to the point that she can't believe or trust in Zero ever again (Euphie?) or maybe something with Suzaku would change her opinion of him (episode 20) well t depends what happens the next episode.

If you're implying that she'd change sides I'll say flat out that it'd be a stupid idea for the storywritters to do. She has aplenty of reasons to fight against Britannia (Her mother, her brother - and she has seen first-hand the suffering that Britannia brings about), so having her just forget/ignore that is stupid. Furthermore, she made it clear that she wants Lelouch to continue playing his role as Zero and her trusting in him or not did in essence not matter ("Deceive us to the end!"). Her whole character builds on her fight against Britannia just as much as Lelouch's does or Suzaku's character builds on him stubbornly wanting to change things from the inside and sticking to Britannia for that very reason, and it'd be both stupid and strange to change that about her, especially this late in the series.

[Dann of Thursday]

I find her portrayal rather weak to be honest, though she has never impressed me in this show and I don't expect that to change. And being the LI seems to be part of what her character revolves around which irritates me as well. You'll always be happy along with all the Kallen fans though.

That she tries hard I suppose. That's pretty much it.

[Silver Soul]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

I think you are being a little harsh. She would pretty much do anything I think to a point. If Lelouch became all evil and such, I think she would turn on him.

Maybe but R2 ED imagery of her being well chained around the neck has to mean something, also by evil I can only assume you mean sacrificing his followers for his own gain since she realizes that what she's is wrong and she's been following Zero/Lelouch throughout the first season when he was all about Nunnally.

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

I find her portrayal rather weak to be honest, though she has never impressed me in this show and I don't expect that to change. And being the LI seems to be part of what her character revolves around which irritates me as well. You'll always be happy along with all the Kallen fans though.

That she tries hard I suppose. That's pretty much it.

Exactly that's why I think this sudden advancement in her character is ultimately underwhelming, I would rather her to actually question her believes compared to Lelouch's instead of going along with it thinking its for the best for the Japanese as a whole. This is what I was hoping for when the season started not these meaningless romance scenes which are only a ploy to make fan coupling sky rocket, which is why I hope she reflects back at her life while being under house arrest to see if this is really what she wants.

[Dann of Thursday]

C.C. had chains around the neck and I don't think she would grovel nor would Lelouch ever make either do such a thing. And yes, I mean evil like that.

[Silver Soul]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

C.C. had chains around the neck and I don't think she would grovel nor would Lelouch ever make either do such a thing. And yes, I mean evil like that.

Wasn't it entangled in her big devil wing if I recall, I didn't see any on her neck

[demon_god04]

She had a chain and collar just like Kallen.

[Silver Soul]

Oh, okay than now that I see it

[Dann of Thursday]

I think it just indicates how they are linked to Lelouch. The lyrics during Kallen's scene imply something deeper unfortunately, for me anyway.

[Tokkan]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

I think it just indicates how they are linked to Lelouch. The lyrics during Kallen's scene imply something deeper unfortunately, for me anyway.

Funnily enough, I think the lyrics match their accompanying pictures pretty well.

[Dann of Thursday]

Originally Posted by Tokkan

Funnily enough, I think the lyrics match their accompanying pictures pretty well.

So Lelouch does need to tell Kallen he loves her more often as the lyrics say then?

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by Tokkan

Funnily enough, I think the lyrics match their accompanying pictures pretty well.

Hmm.. *takes a look at the ED* . The lyrics that might match their characters best would be Lelouch - "gathering the pieces of his happiness" seems to sort of be what he's going this season - and Kallen, if she's indeed the Li or has romantic feelings for Lelouch. And Suzaku's and C.C's lines seems to hint at that they're sort of struck in their past and/or mourning it - or that they're following a path they already determited that they'd follow a long time ago without straying from it then, which sort of fits their characters, I'd guess. Dunno about the others though..

Ah, but if the song's supposed to be from Lelouch's POV, then I suppose it fits as well - through then I dunno how the last line fits with C.C., though I could see it fitting his thoughts on Suzaku. The other lines aso makes more sense then I suppose, as it for example makes it seem like he's thanking Euphie, implying that perhaps long ago, her kindness rubbed off on Lelouch, sorta. and so on...

[Dann of Thursday]

Yes, that's probably all it means. It's been bugging me since I first saw it though I'm sure Kallen fans just loved it.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

Yes, that's probably all it means. It's been bugging me since I first saw it though I'm sure Kallen fans just loved it.

Here's a bit of an analysisw of mine of the lyrics. We might just be reading too much into it, but who knows...? Since it's not jsut about Kallen it could be counted as off-topic and not everyone might be interested in reading it, so spoilertags attached!

Spoiler for Assuming that the whole song is Lelouch's POV::

Lelouch:
"Let us collect in my heart
The pieces of Happiness we gathered back then"

The last of the sound episodes has Suzaku mentioned that all he, Lelouch and Nunnally wanted before Britannia invaded was "just a small piece of happiness". Back in season 1 he seemed more or less ready to sacrifie any happiness he might have for the sake of his goal. In season 2, however he's trying to both accomplish his goal and at the same time preserve some happiness for himself and those around him, so... Well, you get it .

Rolo and Nunnally
"The melody that I've nearly forgotten
Has not lost any of it's colors in my heart"

Hnnn... This is harder to interpret, but it might be a sort of reference to his desire for Nunnally's happiness or the idea that Nunnally's happiness is his happiness, sorta - but if anyone has a better interpretation, I'll welcome it.

Euphie and Cornelia:
"Thank you from the bottom of my heart
It's thanks to everyone that I am who I am today"

Hmm, this might be Lelouch sort of thanking Euphie - as stated above, I'd sort of think that her kindness rubbed off on him at an early stage, back in his days as a royal heir. However, it could also be refering to him thanking those closest to him in the royal family for sort of shaping him into the one he became, sorta (Euphie's kindess, Schenizel's calculationg ways, Cornelia's resolve, sorta - and so on).

Gino & Anya
"Thank you from the bottom of my heart
Now it is my turn to bring some happiness to everyone"

Gino & Anya are laregely unknown factors, so it's hard to say what this mean, but.. It was just now revealed that Anya has a connection to Lelouch, so perhaps she did something for Lelouch in the past that he will remember and be grateful for and wish to return the favor somehow? Dunno how Gino's inolved, but it's not entirely impossible that we'll learn that he too meet Lelouch as a kid or soemthing... . Or maybe Gino will end up doing Lelouch a favor sometime during the course of the story that he'll be grateful for.

The emperor and V.V.:
"I will never forget any of this
Because I am who I am on that day"

This would perhaps hint at Lelouch's grudge with the emperor. "That day" would probably be the day when the emperor stripped him of his royal status and sent him and Nunnally to Japan as poltical hostages: the same day on which Lelouch's hatred for Britannia and his father was born .

Kallen:
"I've got to keep saying 'I love you' all the time"
Well, simple enough I suppose: He loves Kallen or will come to love her - just hasn't realized it yet or so <_<.

Suzaku:
"Suddenly looking back on those long, teary nights"

Assuming that this line belongs to his thoughts on Suzaku, it could refer to him lamenting their past friendship, which is now seriously messed up.. <_<.

C.C.
"I follow those footsteps as to never forget that day"

Perhaps this is about him following the path C.C. set for him thanks to the fact that he got Geass from her. "That day" might be the day Marianne died, which set him on his current path.

Spoiler for Assuming that the whole song is from the indvidual character's POVs as they're shown, not just Lelouch's::

Lelouch:
"Let us collect in my heart
The pieces of Happiness we gathered back then"

The last of the sound episodes has Suzaku mentioned that all he, Lelouch and Nunnally wanted before Britannia invaded was "just a small piece of happiness". Back in season 1 he seemed more or less ready to sacrifie any happiness he might have for the sake of his goal. In season 2, however he's trying to both accomplish his goal and at the same time preserve some happiness for himself and those around him, so... Well, you get it .

Rolo and Nunnally
"The melody that I've nearly forgotten
Has not lost any of it's colors in my heart"

This could be about Rolo and how he apparently forgot or nearly forgot his emotions but is getting'em back. This could also be about Nunnally and her wishing for everyone's happiness, I think.

Euphie and Cornelia:
"Thank you from the bottom of my heart
It's thanks to everyone that I am who I am today"

This sounds kind of like a typical Euphie-phrase that she'd use, thanking people around her, sorta...

Gino & Anya
"Thank you from the bottom of my heart
Now it is my turn to bring some happiness to everyone"

Maybe they're one way or another grateful towards the Britannia empire and wants to return the favor by fightning for it and "make their country happy", sorta?

The emperor and V.V.:
"I will never forget any of this
Because I am who I am on that day"

This might be a hint of V.V. and/or the emperor's past and some grudge of his/theirs (perhaps because of C.C.). Maybe the "look into the past" can reveal more.

Kallen:
"I've got to keep saying 'I love you' all the time"

This might be Kallen voicing her feelings about Lelouch, simply put.

Suzaku & C.C.
"Suddenly looking back on those long, teary nights"
"I follow those footsteps as to never forget that day"

I think these two lines may fit both of them. They're lamenting their past, but have decided for a path that they're following without straying from it, perhaps for the sake of what small happiness of their pasts that they remember.

[Lolipopo]

About the ending there is my interpretation;

Chains is parting from Lelouch, so it's clearly a way to symbolize his relations whith people.
Firstly, Nanally and Rollo, Nanally is not chained, Rollo is totally, it seems pretty logic when you see R2, Rollo has an inevitable link with Lelouch, and he is even depending on him.

After that, Euphie and Cornelia, the chain isn't touching Euphie (:'() but is chaining Cornelia's sword, we can think that now, the only link between Cornelia and Lelouch is the one for revenge, so it will explain why chain is around the sword.

After that, Gino and Anya; Chain is coiled around Anya's feet, now that we seen Turn 10, this became pretty clear that Anya is too linked to lelouch; About Gino, chain is only passing above his leg, nothing really strong about that, I suppose that it's only a way to describe that he is simply one of the Lelouch's enemies, and has by the way of the war, a link with him.

To V.V. and Charles, Chain is only surrounding V.V. but without touching him; V.V. isn't really affected by his link wth Lelouch, and I see that as a symbol that it's cleraly one of his most dangerous enemy, seen as chain aren't even able to touch him.
Charles is behind, and chains are with him just like with V.V., so, the same.

Kallen is the one who is coming after, chain grab her neck, certainly a way to show her strong link with Lelouch, and since she is the only one with CC who had this, maybe a way to implide some romance ? The two girls, after all...
Anyway, Kallen is wearing a jacket...and I still dont know what is this jacket; Too long to be the one of the Black Knight or to be Lelouch's one...
Chain surround Kallen's arm and end up in her hands; We can consider that now that Kallen knows Zero's identity, she is able to direct the way of thee relationship and is no more manipulate by him in their relathionship.

Suzaku has his hands TOTALLY chained; He is Lelouch's best friend, and by the way, even if he is his greatest enemy, their past friendship is still present, stopping his movements and restraining him.

CC is totally chained too, the chain is parting from her neck, just like Kallen's and her chain is too surrounding around her wings, her wings which are falling in pieces, just like it was supposed to mean that her endlesses regenerations are finally always affecting her; She is too sit on a broken egg, as if she had just born; Regeneration are certainly as a new birth, but too CC, those regeneration aren't withoud effects, as we can see with her wings.

About wings, Only Rollo has both devil and angel winges, certainly cause his double play; Lelouch ans Kallens wings are black, Just like CC's, but theirs are fierce and entire, when CC's one are decrepit, I think it couldtoo be a spoiler to the end, CC can't continue like that, so She seems have only two choices; She dies, or she became mortal.

We can too think about the background colors but there, I found a meaning that some people could not appreciate so I don't want to cause a new war, Silent is golden.

@DarkLord : Great job ^^ I must admit that I think more about a Lelouch's pov, it fits more that the individual pov, but I don't believe in a particular accordance of lyrics and pics, so...

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by Lolipopo

@DarkLord : Great job ^^ I must admit that I think more about a Lelouch's pov, it fits more that the individual pov, but I don't believe in a particular accordance of lyrics and pics, so...

Thank you . You did quite the good job too
Well, if they get the song/lyrics before anything else, it's entirely in their power to decide what pics to put into it, in what order so that it fits the song the best and as a way of hinting at... various things, in short.

[Lolipopo]

Originally Posted by DarkLordOfkichiku

Thank you . You did quite the good job too
Well, if they get the song/lyrics before anything else, it's entirely in their power to decide what pics to put into it, in what order so that it fits the song the best and as a way of hinting at... various things, in short.

I'd like to think this but since that to me it fits more to a Lelouch's pov, Dann is certainly not going to appreciate that..;You know, the line where he must admit that he lover her more often ...

But are the songs write to the anime ? It match pretty well aftenly, and if, it's that, as you said, they must arrange pics with sort of meaning...