(L) Maou no Hajimekata

[maniac88]

Originally Posted by MT-G

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Spoiler for Aur's harem, with lovey dovey broken hero:

From Left to right : Sophie, Marie, Yunis, Aur, Lil, Ellen.

While I'm at it..

Spoiler for Adventurer party:

Nadja (warrior), Sharu (Priest), and Wikia (Wizard)

[J4n1]

Originally Posted by maniac88

From Left to right : Sophie, Marie, Yunis, Aur, Lil, Ellen.

While I'm at it..

Spoiler for Adventurer party:

Nadja (warrior), Sharu (Priest), and Wikia (Wizard)

Wizard is called Wikia?

[theultimates12]

Has there been any enemies that give the MC difficulty? Someone he has trouble beating?

[SoloPanda]

Originally Posted by theultimates12

Has there been any enemies that give the MC difficulty? Someone he has trouble beating?

Currently the manga is only on chapter 4 and I didn't read the web novels so the only person he's really had any kind of combat with was the village chief and the hero. Aur doesn't really fight people he tricks them. When fighting the Chief he had set up the encounter many years before and set a trap to kill him. When fighting the hero he was physically defeated but it didn't matter and the hero fell into a trap and lost. There doesn't appear to be any battles. For instance, the crossing of swords and the dynamic use of power to get the better of your opponent. If anything that's the primary fighting style of the people who have been coming to kill Aur so it would be foolish of him to fight them in this manner because he doesn't have any combat experience himself. He lays traps and plans ahead for situations and plans for those situations to fail and makes more traps. So the most difficulty he has had is in preparation. Though the hero was difficult because of the nature of her existence, he found a work around and everything worked out. And everyone was happily ever after...

[RaymondSageClark]

The web novel is only on moonrunes? there is no translations of that?

[SoloPanda]

Originally Posted by RaymondSageClark

The web novel is only on moonrunes? there is no translations of that?

Yea I think so the only people who have said they've read it are people who read Japanese or use machine translate guesstimate. I probably should have put a link to the web novel in the intro but hesitated since they moved to the new format and this is in the manga section. This is the web novel.

[RaymondSageClark]

Ch 4 of the manga is out guys but cannot post the link here. BTW I hope someone pick up the WN to translate it.

[Solace]

Originally Posted by XFire

I just watched the otensible hero manipulate a genuinely good person into becoming his minion/sex pet by a combination of manipulating others into what is basically group suicide and mind control (and, you know, magically enhanced rape).

And I don't care, because the way it was presented kept me from taking any of that as really bad. I feel like I got manipulated myself. Aur's breaking the damn fourth wall here.

All I felt was disgust. I really struggle to understand the appeal of these types of stories, or their popularity. Some of them are sort of interesting from the world mechanics point of view, even if the plot itself is stupid. But way too many of these stories are "guy has ridiculous powers, gets chicks, morals? Eh....maybe".

All I'm seeing is something that would probably be more better if it was pure hentai, instead of a power fantasy with soft core porn.

[theultimates12]

Originally Posted by Solace

All I felt was disgust. I really struggle to understand the appeal of these types of stories, or their popularity. Some of them are sort of interesting from the world mechanics point of view, even if the plot itself is stupid. But way too many of these stories are "guy has ridiculous powers, gets chicks, morals? Eh....maybe".

All I'm seeing is something that would probably be more better if it was pure hentai, instead of a power fantasy with soft core porn.

Well, it depend on the person's taste. Sometimes, a villain as the MC can be interesting if there's some exploration the reason behind his actions and there's consequence for his action.

Mind you, I haven't seen either of those in this story (All I've seen some far is some flashback) and I really doubt the quality of the story considering that most Web Novels aren't very good. However, this story at least doesn't try to hide the fact the MC is a despicable villain.

Also, I agree with you this should have been a H-Doujin instead. It allows you to do a lot more. It also makes me able to forgive its flaws.

Originally Posted by Solace

But way too many of these stories are "guy has ridiculous powers, gets chicks, morals? Eh....maybe".

Because most of those stories are wish-fulfillment. It's just the author's fantasy that they put on paper. Every writers do that, actually, just that good writers are able to make that fantasy interesting and meaningful.

Originally Posted by SoloPanda

Currently the manga is only on chapter 4 and I didn't read the web novels so the only person he's really had any kind of combat with was the village chief and the hero. Aur doesn't really fight people he tricks them. When fighting the Chief he had set up the encounter many years before and set a trap to kill him. When fighting the hero he was physically defeated but it didn't matter and the hero fell into a trap and lost. There doesn't appear to be any battles. For instance, the crossing of swords and the dynamic use of power to get the better of your opponent. If anything that's the primary fighting style of the people who have been coming to kill Aur so it would be foolish of him to fight them in this manner because he doesn't have any combat experience himself. He lays traps and plans ahead for situations and plans for those situations to fail and makes more traps. So the most difficulty he has had is in preparation. Though the hero was difficult because of the nature of her existence, he found a work around and everything worked out. And everyone was happily ever after...

I don't mean just physical battle, though. I'm kinda hoping that an equally smart and powerful foe will appear and challenge the MC. Like the battle between L and Light from Death Note.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Solace

All I felt was disgust. I really struggle to understand the appeal of these types of stories, or their popularity. Some of them are sort of interesting from the world mechanics point of view, even if the plot itself is stupid. But way too many of these stories are "guy has ridiculous powers, gets chicks, morals? Eh....maybe".

All I'm seeing is something that would probably be more better if it was pure hentai, instead of a power fantasy with soft core porn.

Well, power fantasy is popular because lots of people have power fantasies.


This one, on the other hand, has the appeal of the Main Character actually being evil. Which is an odd appeal, but it's the closest thing to original we get these days.

[theultimates12]

Originally Posted by XFire

This one, on the other hand, has the appeal of the Main Character actually being evil. Which is an odd appeal, but it's the closest thing to original we get these days.

If we start counting things outside of Light/Web Novel, it's not really original. Eroges has had this kind of story for years already.

As for the appeal, sure, it does have its appeal. Though, the author would have put in a lot of effort to make it good (For example, have the MC face heavy consequence for his action and give him a worthy foe).

Originally Posted by XFire

Well, power fantasy is popular because lots of people have power fantasies.

Well, Power Fantasy is nice but I wish the author would put in more effort into writing those fantasies. I mean, I like OP Protagonist getting the girls and beat up all of his foes as well but most of the stories I have seen are so boring. If there's one thing that is unforgivable in a story, it's making it boring.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by XFire

Well, power fantasy is popular because lots of people have power fantasies.


This one, on the other hand, has the appeal of the Main Character actually being evil. Which is an odd appeal, but it's the closest thing to original we get these days.

Death Note.

Power fantasies aren't anything new. I suppose some readers new to the genre will think this is "realistic" in terms of world building in the evil ruler's perspective, but it's far from anything like that

It's a little silly how easily the hero fell. The terms he offered to the villages for surrender in the illusion was neither "fair" nor reasonable, yet that's how the hero took it. It's also a little strange that the hero would feel guilty and upset that the villagers would attack her for killing Aur when she knows that she never killed him.

Also despite Aur literally stating that because she is destined hero, any form of brainwashing wouldn't be effective on her, because fate would eventually have her break the spell at the most crucial time. Yet Aur hypnotizes her anyway, and it works. Let's not mention how easily she fell in battle against him before that


Aur himself also never had any real reason for distrusting humans. We're just supposed to take the idea that he has been betrayed at some point at face value, as if that would make him sympathetic.

It's a trashy series in general.

[theultimates12]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Also despite Aur literally stating that because she is destined hero, any form of brainwashing wouldn't be effective on her, because fate would eventually have her break the spell at the most crucial time. Yet Aur hypnotizes her anyway, and it works. Let's not mention how easily she fell in battle against him before that

Well, let just believe it isn't "The Most Crucial Time" yet. Who knows, maybe she is being an unwitting spy.

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Aur himself also never had any real reason for distrusting humans. We're just supposed to take the idea that he has been betrayed at some point at face value, as if that would make him sympathetic.

It's a trashy series in general.

Let's be fair, the author is probably waiting for a good moment to reveal the MC's backstory, hopefully soon. Though, I'm not really sure what he intends to achieve by taking over the world.

This series does have room to grow. As long as the author is willing to put in effort (Which he hasn't so far), it could be a pretty damn good story.

[Riz]

This guy really could make an anti-mainstream smut-mature level fantasy storyline such this one . . .
btw shouldn't those tagline be including
- smut
- mature
- gore
?

[Velsy]

Why cant there be stories with evil ? Its gives an interesting turn on things. If it provides to be an interesting story like reading someone build his own dungeon. then cool beans. So far I am liking this MC playing a villain. His planning seems pretty legit and competent. Not everything should be just about allies of justice's.

As for chapter 4 itself. Really unsure how her "scar's just disappeared. Didnt really tell what happened, I can best assume she got healed ? Healing spell lol ? Nothing a good ol healing spell can fix? O_o

Aurs really got an eye for talent I guess.

[theultimates12]

Originally Posted by Riz

This guy really could make an anti-mainstream smut-mature level fantasy storyline such this one . . .
btw shouldn't those tagline be including
- smut
- mature
- gore
?

I'm not sure that the story is "Mature" unless you're talking most kids' definition of "Maturity".

Originally Posted by Velsy

Why cant there be stories with evil ? Its gives an interesting turn on things. If it provides to be an interesting story like reading someone build his own dungeon. then cool beans. So far I am liking this MC playing a villain. His planning seems pretty legit and competent. Not everything should be just about allies of justices's.

I'm fine with evil MC. Such stories can be interesting (For example, Death Note). However, just like any stories, I want to see actual challenge and consequence. I want to see the MC has serious setback that force him to come up with new way and give him character development. The MC, right now, is rather dull, so dull in fact that I can't even remember the guy's name. Also, I don't like the fact the MC starts already powerful. I was expecting the start to be more like a Heist movie, with the MC gathering a group of talented individual to build his dungeon.

In short, what I'm trying to say is, you can write whatever you want, just make sure it's good.

[Velsy]

Originally Posted by theultimates12

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I'm fine with evil MC. Such stories can be interesting. However, just like any stories, I want to see actual challenge and consequence. I want to see the MC has serious setback that force him to come up with new way and give him character development. The MC, right now, is rather dull, so dull in fact that I can't even remember the guy's name. Also, I don't like the fact the MC starts already powerful. I was expecting the start to be more like a Heist movie, with the MC gathering a group of talented individual to build his dungeon.

In short, what I'm trying to say is, you can write whatever you want, just make sure it's good.

Um..... just pointing it out, but only 4 chapters in <.< and I think the MC is interesting myself. But I get what your saying. His future enemies need to cause some confliclts. Some hurdles to get over etc etc. Well I cant tell whats going to happen 4 chapters in . But hopefully the author has a good idea how hes writing this story already. I am for sure am interested in this journey...... so far O_o Well these 4 chapters to me. merely are introducing characters to the story. I could be wrong or whatever, but thats what it looks like to me.

[Riz]

Originally Posted by theultimates12

I'm not sure that the story is "Mature" unless you're talking most kids' definition of "Maturity".

well, by mature I mean is ...
often dark, smut, gore, sex kind of stories is descriptive as mature content, no?

[theultimates12]

Originally Posted by Velsy

Um..... just pointing it out, but only 4 chapters in <.< and I think the MC is interesting myself. But I get what your saying. His future enemies need to cause some confliclts. Some hurdles to get over etc etc. Well I cant tell whats going to happen 4 chapters in. But hopefully the author has a good idea how hes writing this story already. I am for sure am interested in this journey...... so far O_o

I just really want to see the enemy he's going to face. Like maybe an Trickster Angel or a Rival Demon Lord. Just imagine, the MC and his Rival trying to perfect their own dungeon while the same time, invading the other's. Both of them playing mind game with each others, trying to destroy the other both physically and mentally.

Or a smart Hero who uses political power to gather a massive army to destroy the MC

Originally Posted by Riz

well, by mature I mean is ...
often dark, smut, gore, sex kind of stories is descriptive as mature content, no?

Not really, it's just what some people believe to be "Mature". Real "Mature" story is a lot more complicated and, most of the times, doesn't have gore, blood, sex (Look at movies like Toy Story, Finding Nemo or Monster Inc, they are real "Mature" stories even though they are for kids).

[ndiezel]

Originally Posted by theultimates12

I just really want to see the enemy he's going to face. Like maybe an Trickster Angel or a Rival Demon Lord. Just imagine, the MC and his Rival trying to perfect their own dungeon while the same time, invading the other's. Both of them playing mind game with each others, trying to destroy the other both physically and mentally.

Or a smart Hero who uses political power to gather a massive army to destroy the MC



Not really, it's just what some people believe to be "Mature". Real "Mature" story is a lot more complicated and, most of the times, doesn't have gore, blood, sex (Look at movies like Toy Story, Finding Nemo or Monster Inc, they are real "Mature" stories even though they are for kids).

Your view for maturity is really f*cked up.